Jfc.... so this is saying that... my chars equipment is tooooooo expensive as a starter?????
He is wearing a plate set after all.
*goes back to the editing board to figure out how to preserve the plate set and saving up on money.*
*pat pat pat* Well, knights are expensive and stuff~
So I've finally gotten around to looking at prices, and I did some research.
The following table is pulled from medieval prices of stuff (
source) (
source) assuming an unskilled worker's daily wage of 2 pence per day = 10 G.
Item | Unit | Price (Earth) | Price (AG) |
|---|
Wine (Bad) | Gallon | 3d | 15 G |
Ale (Bad) | Gallon | 0.75d | 4 G |
Bread | Loaf (lb) | 0.1d | 0.5 G |
Eggs | Dozen | 0.5d | 3 G |
Cheese | Pound | 0.5d | 3 G |
Dried Fruit | Pound | 2d | 10 G |
Chicken | Whole Roast | 1d | 5 G |
Pig | Whole Roast | 24d | 120 G |
Sugar | Pound | 18d | 90 G |
Item | Unit | Price (Earth) | Price (AG) |
|---|
Tunic (Terrible) | 1 | 5d | 25 G |
Shirt (Peasant) | 1 | 8d | 40 G |
Shoes (Peasant) | 1 | 6d | 30 G |
Tunic (Peasant) | 1 | 36d | 180 G |
Linen | Yard | 12d | 60 G |
Item | Unit | Price (Earth) | Price (AG) |
|---|
Axe | 1 | 5d | 25 G |
Shovel | 1 | 3d | 15 G |
Hammer | 1 | 8d | 40 G |
Candles (Tallow) | Pound | 1.5d | 8 G |
Barrel | 1 | 3d | 15 G |
Bottle | 1 | 4d | 20 G |
Bucket | 1 | 6d | 30 G |
Item | Unit | Price (Earth) | Price (AG) |
|---|
Bow | 1 | 15d | 75 G |
Arrows | Dozen | 7d | 35 G |
Sword (Terrible) | 1 | 6d | 30 G |
Sword (Average) | 1 | 120d | 600 G |
Sword (Good) | 1 | 240d | 1200 G |
Cuirass | 1 | 360d | 1800 G |
Chain Mail | 1 | 1200d | 6000 G |
Plate Armor (Full Set) | 1 | 4000d | 20,000 G |
Horse (Draught) | 1 | 240d | 1200 G |
Horse (Riding) | 1 | 1200d | 6000 G |
Cottage | Annual Rent | 60d | 300 G |
House (Craftsman) | Annual Rent | 240d | 1200 G |
House (Merchant) | Annual Rent | 720d | 3600 G |
I wanted to get people's opinion -- how would people feel if I used this as a basis to put together more NPC shops?
The main thing of note is that armor is superrrrrrr expensive (going by historical prices).
Oh, and uh... I want to raise the cost of the magic tomes to at least the cost of a medieval book (pre-printing press)
So 240d = 1200 G / book.
Alright how are these prices? I've done the following adjustments:
- I doubled the prices for most things since food costs seemed cheap (...or at least, nothing like 10 G = daily cost of living). Clearly, a medieval's laborer's daily wages are much more than the cost of living.
- I removed a whole zero from armor prices and horse prices.
- I didn't adjust the weapon prices. The reasoning is that food is so much cheaper, so saving up 6 days of income shouldn't be too hard for most characters to get a sword.
- For magic... buying an introductory tome is expensive... same as the cost of buying a book in the medieval era.
- Rationale is that "magic" builds in fantasy settings/games are traditionally expensive builds.
- To compensate this, I added a "mysterious scribble of paper" item -- which might be a fragment of a book that a character can maybe attempt to study/interpret to learn a single spell. Learning something from a scrap paper isn't guaranteed, but it's far cheaper than buying a whole book.
Bread | Loaf | 1 G |
Cheese | Pound | 5 G |
Eggs | Dozen | 5 G |
Ale (Bad) | Gallon | 8 G |
Chicken | Whole | 10 G |
Dried Fruit | Pound | 20 G |
Wine (Bad) | Gallon | 30 G |
Sugar | Pound | 180 G |
Pig | Whole | 240 G |
Tunic (Terrible) | 1 | 50 G |
Shoes (Bad) | 1 | 60 G |
Shirt (Bad) | 1 | 80 G |
Tunic (Bad) | 1 | 360 G |
Linen (Bad) | Yard | 120 G |
Shovel | 1 | 30 G |
Axe | 1 | 50 G |
Hammer | 1 | 80 G |
Candles | Pound | 15 G |
Barrel | 1 | 30 G |
Bottle | 1 | 40 G |
Bucket | 1 | 60 G |
Bow | 1 | 150 G |
Arrows | Dozen | 60 G |
Sword (Terrible) | 1 | 60 G |
Sword (Average) | 1 | 600 G |
Sword (Good) | 1 | 2400 G |
Leather Cuirass | 1 | 360 G |
Chain Mail | 1 | 1200 G |
Plate Armor | 1 | 4000 G |
Horse (Draught) | 1 | 1200 G |
Horse (Riding) | 1 | 6000 G |
Mysterious Paper with Scribbles | 1 | 200 G |
Magic Tome (Beginner) | 1 | 1200 G |
| Cottage | Rent (year) | 600 G |
| House (Craftsman) | Rent (year) | 2400 G |
| House (Merchant) | Rent (year) | 7200 G |
Thoughts for potions:
- Weak Healing Potion: 100 G / potion
- Weak Mana Potion: 200 G / potion
Rationale:
Potions are made from herbs. Using saffron as the price reference (180 G / lb) and reducing it a bit since healing herbs are abundant around Scribel, 100 G / potion is probably the lowest that is reasonable (IMO) given the cost of other goods.
Mana potions to cost double -- because mage builds are expensive.
Added incentive to go meet an alchemist/apothocary yourself so you can brew your own.
RE: high magic book prices -- to me, its a stronger incentive to find someone who teaches you in person, right?
I like the adjusted prices, though I'm surprised by how cheap the rent of a cottage is tbh. I mean, that's 50G/month... It's considerably cheaper than staying at an inn... Not that I'm complaining though~
Potion prices in particular make me really happy~
In regards to the book though, I think I agree with Himekawa that it could be lower.
What then, is the difference between the magic tome in the current market and this one?
I honestly wish to lower the cost of the book, but increase the cost of knowledge instead. Like, magic is inherently dangerous that the precaution to lower the risk (like using mentor/teacher, better quality reagents, etc) is costly.
I'd like the price of the magic book cut to 600G instead of keeping at 1200, for one. Mainly because 600G is pretty close to the cap of the starting amount of money, so if somebody wanted to make their character learn magic by buying a book, it wouldn't bee too farfetched for them to do so, though at the same time they'd throw away all their savings for that.
I thought I was somewhat rich since I have like 400 G, but now I felt poor again. Can't even buy a good old average sword...
Guess I would have to really sell my experiment results...
*pat pat pat* We're all poor! \(^^)/
On the topic of money, shouldn't we increase the G rewards for the higher level quests? The rewards itself should not be judged completely by how easy the quest was, but also how good the adventurers were ( their rank and level ). Just like real life, the higher one's prestige ( Higher level = better quality, similar to how despite doing the same work, the one with higher qualification would get a better salary, as a part of their degree etc. ), the higher the cost to hire.
Yeah, will probably rethink and raise the rewards if we end up putting out an updated price table.
I was keeping them low because
@SpearOfLies was worried that money would become meaningless if people just collected tons of money.
Additionally, I felt like the low reimbursement reflected how cheap/poor the guild was.
However I do think it's important that players are able to afford things like potions, particularly in regions like Gelderholm where the quest board states that there isn't "free healing" at the temple anymore.
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Another
price reference for London 15th Century
I agree that it seems weird that the higher difficulty quests aren't giving better money rewards and stuff... I mean, the main point of taking more dangerous tasks is earning more money, right?
@Quaesitor was actually complaining about this to me in private some time back, though I told him to throw the complaints to you! xD
@AliceShiki @LazyLonduf Does the orphanage have a religious symbol, and is it ok if my character repairs the walls, floors, roof, and or maybe the windows?
As far as I'm aware, the orphanage is just the orphanage, without any religious symbols, but some cults (like the pickled god cult) donate to them.
I say go for it aaa, the kids will love it
What Londuf said! \(^^)/
So I'm making an ornamental knife. Sweet. Nevermind not enough silver. Would you settle for a shield symbol?
I feel like a shield symbol is quite militaristic for an orphanage. Though I don't know the meaning of the symbolism in the context of your character's past.
This one right? Or is it just the seal of a dwarf? It feels more like the symbol of a barracks or a knight camp than an orphanage. What do y'all think?
@AliceShiki @Obscura_Luna
Feels more like barracks indeed~
... And uhn... Incentivizing children to take a job that constantly risks their lives and stuff isn't that nice IMO? Would be better to have some less... Dangerous things there. At least IMO.
I just chose a shield cus i had spare iron shields left from my character. And I meant the shield as in protecting the children
. I feel a sword is more militaristic by a long shot.
Also this is what I meant when I said I split the shield into 4, and engraved a pattern into each one.
View attachment 1901
The engravings arent the ones above though. They're meant for the kids. I mean Knights, Mages, Castles are cool right? Theres even a nun in there.
They aren't even fighting at all.
Yes i gotchuuu
yeah its fine im just saying a knight a mage a castle and a nun looks more like the emblerm of a kingdom or a private army than an orphanage XD
But shields are cool too, maybe the engravings could like chadge into symbols of children or something!
Oam will probably get confused when she returns to the orphanage "wait did i get the wrong house"
What Londuf said! They may be cool, but they pass the wrong idea and may suggest children to do stuff they'd be better off not doing! >.<
By the way, what does everyone know about the graveyard of scribel atm
Nothing as far as I know except Luna experienced some horror-fest and lost a lantern in it.
Here is the report.
I don't remember anything remarkable other than what GDLizy already mentioned~
I can edit the text, the quest hasn't been evaluated yet.
Any Images in mind? I'll replace the Knights and Mages and Castle With Some Kids Playing, A Small Cottage, and [Insert Idea]
This seems nice to me if it still wasn't appraised and stuff~
If it was... Well, might as well just keep it~
Oh no... This E rank exam report was getting too long... Going for that 3k words territory...
@AliceShiki A Challenger has appeared.
Finally, finish the report... This is exhausting... Never again, please...
Bruh I'm sitting here at 10:00PM writing 400 words in an hour and u churn out 4k.
4k!? Like, over 4k or almost 4k!? >.<
I'm at 3988! Let me enjoy my 1st place for longer! >.<
Gz on clearing the quest though~
It took an entire day so it's okay.
Btw, that's two chapters worth of my actual novel so I'm just procrastinating wtf
Oh, I feel you, that's 2 chapters of mine too! xD
Though it takes a lot longer to write a novel chapter than it takes to write for AG... Especially because I don't proofread nor edit my quest reports, I just write and post~
