Who would win?.

[RepresentingWrath]

In a fight to the death, I ask you, how do you intend to kill the gorilla. Gouging the eyes out is very difficult on a gorilla. They're backset, it has extraordinarily strong neck muscles (meaning restraining the head, even when exhausted is nearly impossible), and it's bite is twice that of a lion.

Human punches can't concuss it or break it's bone. Our bite even struggles to harm them. If you can't kill it within a minute or two of dog-piling it while exhausted, it'll recover enough strength to kill another 5 or 10 men. You can't just tire it once, you have to kill it while it's a bit tired.

I just fail to see how a human can kill it. Exhaustion just means it's fighting at a fraction of its strength, it isn't some magical thing that just causes it to die. Hypothetically it could die from exhaustion, but 100 humans isn't nearly enough for that.

Hypoxia.

 

[TachimeSan]

In a fight to the death, I ask you, how do you intend to kill the gorilla. Gouging the eyes out is very difficult on a gorilla. They're backset, it has extraordinarily strong neck muscles (meaning restraining the head, even when exhausted is nearly impossible), and it's bite is twice that of a lion.

Human punches can't concuss it or break it's bone. Our bite even struggles to harm them. If you can't kill it within a minute or two of dog-piling it while exhausted, it'll recover enough strength to kill another 5 or 10 men. You can't just tire it once, you have to kill it while it's a bit tired.

I just fail to see how a human can kill it. Exhaustion just means it's fighting at a fraction of its strength, it isn't some magical thing that just causes it to die. Hypothetically it could die from exhaustion, but 100 humans isn't nearly enough for that.

Gouging the eye is difficult, not impossible. You're not seeing the whole picture, you're treating it as if its a game that the Gorilla will just sit down and recover health and stamina, it doesn't work that way.

it's not just exhausted, it's bleeding and injured, if you bite at its balls you will break skin, it will bleed. Even a tinie-tiny cut will be enough as the humans can collectively use that to tear open a larger cut. They're not just gonna sit around and wait for the Gorilla to recover, they're gonna continue beating it, possibly taking turns, clawing at its open wounds, sticking their dirty fingers in them (possibly causing infection) biting, scratching, pushing their fingers inside its nostrils, anything you can think of.

 

[Tyranomaster]

Hypoxia.

Even if you dogpile it, average men lack the strength to suffocate a gorilla. They're built differently than humans, you can't strangle it, and you aren't going to be able to smother it without losing a hand, allowing it to breathe again.

Gouging the eye is difficult, not impossible. You're not seeing the whole picture, you're treating it as if its a game that the Gorilla will just sit down and recover health and stamina, it doesn't work that way.

it's not just exhausted, it's bleeding and injured, if you bite at its balls you will break skin, it will bleed. Even a tinie-tiny cut will be enough as the humans can collectively use that to tear open a larger cut. They're not just gonna sit around and wait for the Gorilla to recover, they're gonna continue beating it, possibly taking turns, clawing at its open wounds, sticking their dirty fingers in them (possibly causing infection) biting, scratching, pushing their fingers inside its nostrils, anything you can think of.

Small cuts won't kill it fast enough. You have 2 minutes in a dogpile before it recovers enough strength to throw the pile off again, and kill 1-5 men. Even if it is struggling in the pile, it's recovering. This is a primate, not a cat. If the fight goes for an hour with repeated exhaustive bouts, the gorilla will win.

The issue, again, is how do you kill it before it kills them? Sure, the gorilla might die an hour after all the men are dead, but I'd say the gorilla was last man standing. Human nails aren't strong enough to pierce a gorilla's skin. Our teeth could probably open some wounds, but they'd be superficial.

Look, people don't immediately die from gunshot wounds. In fact, in active shooter training, I've been trained repeatedly that the best thing you can do is charge the shooter. You might get shot, multiple times even, but it can take hours to bleed out. If you neutralize the threat (even if you take some bullet wounds), then you can get to a hospital faster and survive.

If the humans have tools, sure, they can kill the gorilla. Hell, humans kill gorillas all the time with guns. Without tools? A human kick (500 joules) isn't strong enough to do any cumulative damage to the gorilla that would kill it. Slow it down? Maybe. Hurt it? Sure. Kill it? Nope. The average man literally lacks the strength to cumulatively damage it. 60 men don't even have the weight necessary to crush it, as the men on the bottom of the pile would be crushed first, causing the pile to collapse.

Just from handling pigs that weigh 400 pounds growing up, I can say smothering an exhausted animal of that size is impossible.

 

[TachimeSan]

Even if you dogpile it, average men lack the strength to suffocate a gorilla. They're built differently than humans, you can't strangle it, and you aren't going to be able to smother it without losing a hand, allowing it to breathe again.

Small cuts won't kill it fast enough. You have 2 minutes in a dogpile before it recovers enough strength to throw the pile off again, and kill 1-5 men. Even if it is struggling in the pile, it's recovering. This is a primate, not a cat. If the fight goes for an hour with repeated exhaustive bouts, the gorilla will win.

The issue, again, is how do you kill it before it kills them? Sure, the gorilla might die an hour after all the men are dead, but I'd say the gorilla was last man standing. Human nails aren't strong enough to pierce a gorilla's skin. Our teeth could probably open some wounds, but they'd be superficial.

Look, people don't immediately die from gunshot wounds. In fact, in active shooter training, I've been trained repeatedly that the best thing you can do is charge the shooter. You might get shot, multiple times even, but it can take hours to bleed out. If you neutralize the threat (even if you take some bullet wounds), then you can get to a hospital faster and survive.

If the humans have tools, sure, they can kill the gorilla. Hell, humans kill gorillas all the time with guns. Without tools? A human kick (500 joules) isn't strong enough to do any cumulative damage to the gorilla that would kill it. Slow it down? Maybe. Hurt it? Sure. Kill it? Nope. The average man literally lacks the strength to cumulatively damage it. 60 men don't even have the weight necessary to crush it, as the men on the bottom of the pile would be crushed first, causing the pile to collapse.

Just from handling pigs that weigh 400 pounds growing up, I can say smothering an exhausted animal of that size is impossible.

How does it recover when it's already bleeding with numerous injuries WHILE getting continuously beat on and injured? It cannot.

If you think that 5 mins is enough for it to recover, after recieving that much damage, AND still getting beat on, then there's really nothing else I can say at this point.

Sike.

I would say stuffing it's mouth and nostrils with debris, like dirt, grass, or some thing, possibly using the mangled body parts of other humans to suffocate it would do the trick. Hell, try water boarding it with the blood of the mangled humans.

Be creative.

 

[RepresentingWrath]

Even if you dogpile it, average men lack the strength to suffocate a gorilla. They're built differently than humans, you can't strangle it, and you aren't going to be able to smother it without losing a hand, allowing it to breathe again.

You just sit on its back and it dies of hypoxia. If you stack like 10 or so men on top of its back all while silverback is lying down, it won't be able to breath or shake them off once it is exhausted. You should look at the first Stipe Miocic vs Franciss Ngannou fight. Stipe is smaller than Francis, but Francis wasn't able to shake Stipe off. Why? Because Francis had shit gas tank(cardio). I hope you won't purposefully misinterpret this and will understand why I used this example. It's an illustration of how exhaustion and strength works.

 

[AnonUnlimited]

100 men vs a gorrilla.
There are two factors to consider.

1. Is this no holds barred fearless men who attack like machines?
2. Location.

Most men will be afraid of the gorrilla or would want others to attack first, we we take 100 cowards and are in a jungle for instance. I think the gorrilla might win with hit and run tactics since it can hide and climb trees much better.

If there were fearlessly suicidal men, then the men would win just by wearing down the gorrilla, grabbing it and trying to break the neck. Think 28 days later humans who just attack like crazy with rage virus.

 

[RepresentingWrath]

Or you can watch Kimbo Slice vs Dada 5000. Or you can watch Kimo Leopoldo. Or you can watch Tank Abbot. Or even Bob Sapp. Exhaustion doesn't work like that. You can't sudddenly regain your strength when someone is pummeling you. You can't regain strength even if you have breaks between rounds if it's half a minute or so. Not when you have different kind of muscles, and different kind of mass.

You do not go super sayian once you are exhausted. If you are tired as fuck, and someone sits on top of you, even a kid, there won't be anime or movie moment when you suddenly gain strength and shake him or her off.

 

[Tyranomaster]

Or you can watch Kimbo Slice vs Dada 5000. Or you can watch Kimo Leopoldo. Or you can watch Tank Abbot. Or even Bob Sapp. Exhaustion doesn't work like that. You can't sudddenly regain your strength when someone is pummeling you. You can't regain strength even if you have breaks between rounds if it's half a minute or so. Not when you have different kind of muscles, and different kind of mass.

You do not go super sayian once you are exhausted. If you are tired as fuck, and someone sits on top of you, even a kid, there won't be anime or movie moment when you suddenly gain strength and shake him or her off.

While this is true, I don't think you can get the necessary weight correctly distributed to kill the gorilla. They have the strength of like 8 men. Even when heavily exhausted, it's bite would be fatal, and it'd be able to harm the humans. I don't think the humans can effectively harm it.

Full exhaustion is different from burst exhaustion, which I think is what people are confusing here. The gorilla is "exhausted" after like 2 minutes of hard fighting. This is a similar exhaustion to a deer being "exhausted" after fleeing. If it rests for a few minutes (which includes walking), it can recuperate enough energy for another burst (shorter, like 1 minute), they can do this like 5 times in relatively short succession before deep ATP reserves are depleted, and they'd need to recover for more than a few minutes.

Human exhaustion is a deeper exhaustion. It takes longer to build up, but also longer to recover. We don't have bursts of recovered strength to fight with really, once we're done, we're done.

People have correctly pointed out that endurance would be the right method of attack, but that endurance comes at a cost of power and recovery time. Humans, due to endurance, lack the power to beat through a gorilla's 2 inch thick skull, or to choke it or collapse it's ribcage without some outside tool use.

If the people "play it smart" and keep back, the gorilla can also keep back, and preserve it's energy, recuperating energy. The humans HAVE to basically throw their bodies into the meat grinder, and I think the gorilla simply wins that fight. Not enough humans are left to do anything to the fully exhausted gorilla.

These are the average human male. They probably have some minor amount of combat experience, but not against animals, and unlikely skilled in unarmed combat against a stronger opponent. Do they even have time to properly strategize enough to figure out how to win? If you don't start from the winning strategy, then many people simply die pointlessly, and the gorilla easily wins.

The men HAVE to start from a winning strategy, which from the various responses of how to do it that I've seen on twitter, the men would just be a cacophony of various tactics, and would get shredded.

 

[RepresentingWrath]

If it rests for a few minutes (which includes walking),

This is the crux of the problem. Gorilla won't have this time.

While this is true, I don't think you can get the necessary weight correctly distributed to kill the gorilla. They have the strength of like 8 men. Even when heavily exhausted, it's bite would be fatal, and it'd be able to harm the humans. I don't think the humans can effectively harm it.

Full exhaustion is different from burst exhaustion, which I think is what people are confusing here. The gorilla is "exhausted" after like 2 minutes of hard fighting. This is a similar exhaustion to a deer being "exhausted" after fleeing. If it rests for a few minutes (which includes walking), it can recuperate enough energy for another burst (shorter, like 1 minute), they can do this like 5 times in relatively short succession before deep ATP reserves are depleted, and they'd need to recover for more than a few minutes.

Human exhaustion is a deeper exhaustion. It takes longer to build up, but also longer to recover. We don't have bursts of recovered strength to fight with really, once we're done, we're done.

People have correctly pointed out that endurance would be the right method of attack, but that endurance comes at a cost of power and recovery time. Humans, due to endurance, lack the power to beat through a gorilla's 2 inch thick skull, or to choke it or collapse it's ribcage without some outside tool use.

If the people "play it smart" and keep back, the gorilla can also keep back, and preserve it's energy, recuperating energy. The humans HAVE to basically throw their bodies into the meat grinder, and I think the gorilla simply wins that fight. Not enough humans are left to do anything to the fully exhausted gorilla.

These are the average human male. They probably have some minor amount of combat experience, but not against animals, and unlikely skilled in unarmed combat against a stronger opponent. Do they even have time to properly strategize enough to figure out how to win? If you don't start from the winning strategy, then many people simply die pointlessly, and the gorilla easily wins.

The men HAVE to start from a winning strategy, which from the various responses of how to do it that I've seen on twitter, the men would just be a cacophony of various tactics, and would get shredded.

Also I don't understand why you are hellbent on dealing damage. You don't have to do it. You can watch Shane Carwin fight against Brock Lesnar. I don't rememebr it well enough, but it went roughly the following way. Shane Carvin pummeled Brock for a whole round, after that he had no strength and Brock won. You don't have to choke it, scratch it, kick it, strangle it, punch it. All you have to do is to exhaust it, and after that, without letting gorilla recover, you comfortably lie on its back. It will die of hypoxia because it can't breath properly after using humongous amount of oxygen. Profit.

Also, saying play it smart, sorry but this looks either like despereation or a very elaborate troll. First of all, it all depends on many factors, such as, do they fight in real life or not, what kind of mindset, what kind of surroundings, and so on. I can say, what if gorilla starts betwen 100 man, surrounded by them and they don't care about their lives or damage, acting like robots? How is Gorilla going to get out of encirclment, at the same time converse enough strength, run away, and gain enough time(few minutes) to do the same? So many what ifs.

I think if normal men are locked with a gorilla IRL, gorilla will whoop their ass since they are scared. If they aren't locked gorilla will flee since 100 men screaming is very, very loud. If we talk about basically meat robots that have no feelings 100 men win.

 

[AnonUnlimited]

I think if normal men are locked with a gorilla IRL, gorilla will whoop their ass since they are scared. If they aren't locked gorilla will flee since 100 men screaming is very, very loud. If we talk about basically meat robots that have no feelings 100 men win.

This.

 

[TachimeSan]

Dude's acting like resting for a few minutes is the same as eating a senzu bean, it's going to magically restore the Gorilla to tip top shape.

It won't.

It's not like boxing for 1 round, and resting for a few minutes, no. It's like boxing for 13 rounds STRAIGHT, all the while your enemy is clawing and biting, and scratching at you. You get to rest, but then they get to continuously pummel you while doing so, do you think you'll be able to recover? i think not.

To really recover, you would need to rest, let your wounds heal, which the Gorilla will not be able to do. How can he? He keeps getting pummeled.

They can bite at its throat in an attempt to tear it open, claw at its open wounds to make them bigger, or just take a dead human's arm, and shove it down the Gorilla's throat. I don't think the Gorilla will be able to recover when it can't even breathe properly AND is still bleeding.

Full exhaustion is different from burst exhaustion, which I think is what people are confusing here. The gorilla is "exhausted" after like 2 minutes of hard fighting. This is a similar exhaustion to a deer being "exhausted" after fleeing. If it rests for a few minutes (which includes walking), it can recuperate enough energy for another burst (shorter, like 1 minute), they can do this like 5 times in relatively short succession before deep ATP reserves are depleted, and they'd need to recover for more than a few minutes.

No, it won't be similar to a deer being "exhausted" after fleeing. It would be like the deer getting piled on by dozens of Raccoons, fighting back, sustaining injuries, THEN getting exhausted. It won't be able to recover just by walking for a few minutes.

 

[Tyranomaster]

Do you believe you would lose to 100 ducks?

 

[RepresentingWrath]

Do you believe you would lose to 100 ducks?

I don't know Tyrano. Do you?

 

[Tyranomaster]

I don't think I would lose to 100 ducks.

 

[RepresentingWrath]

I don't think I would lose to 100 ducks.

@Lord_Quackington_III

 

[TachimeSan]

Do you believe you would lose to 100 ducks?

That's not nearly close as a comparison. Ducks don't have opposable thumbs that can grab/claw at you, nor do they have teeth that can puncture skin and draw blood.

A better comparison would be, do you think you'd win against a hundred long-tailed macaque. At least those things are somewhat similar to a human.

And I do think you and I, or anyone else here would lose to a hundred blood lusted macaque.

 

[Woolen_Monkey]

Monkey would win... Don't test just take my word... Please

 

[Tyranomaster]

The problem we have is that we evolved to use tools, and no longer have a strong bite or crushing strength. Monkeys still can inflict deep damage with fangs. Ducks have short talons but would suffer similar damage from a kick as we would from a punch from a gorilla.

This was posited as the average man. India and China have office jobs. These are office workers fighting a gorilla. Without rocks or sticks. I don't see how an office worker ever inflicts damage. Human to human comparisons aren't very useful, because humans are frail compared to most other mammals. So you pick something similarly frail (birb). I think I could beat 100 geese as well, though it would leave me lacerated to high hell.

 

[TachimeSan]

Monkeys are frail as heck too, and the size/weight difference is a lot.

So if you compare the damage a human can do to a Gorilla vs. the damage a monkey can do to a human, it's more fair of a comparison, compared to damage a human can do to a gorilla vs. the damage a duck can do to a human.

And you're underestimating humans a bit too much here. Yes, we may not have as strong of a bite force, but we still do have teeth that are fairly sharp. It can still break skin/draw blood. And yes we may not have crushing strength, but we still have dextrous fingers and a wild imagination.

A Gorilla, though having a thick skin, is still made out of flesh, given enough trauma, it will break. Ears are also a weak spot, enough blunt force trauma to the ears would discombobulate even the toughest of Gorillas.

A hundred blood lusted office workers with nothing to lose would still claw, and bite, and grab, and poke at a Gorilla, it's the same thing.

You've gone through specifics now, when the argument was a hundred average men, the average men are not nearly as wimpy or weak as you portray them to be. An average man would still have enough strength to bite a Gorilla's finger, nipples, ears, hell even their dicks. Sure the Gorilla would kill the average man, but there's still 99 of them, all willing to die just to draw blood.

Imagine the first stage of the infected from the last of us, they charge without thinking and claw and bite at anything that moves. That would be how the average man would fight in this scenario, except all their aggression are pointed towards the poor Gorilla.

 

[Aaqil]

Right, going super in-depth for a topic that doesn't need it. Vintage SHF.

It do be most of the fun tho,