PAY ARTISTS !!

[whitesculptor]

As far as I know, good artists get paid what they deserve: just so you know, a lot.
However, they need to be "good".
So, don't worry! :)

 

[CountVanBadger]

It'd be a lot easier (okay, maybe not a lot) to take people's anti-AI arguments more seriously if 99% of those arguments didn't quickly devolve into "AI represents the political party I disagree with!"

 

[SouthernMaiden]

Idk I hate the hypocrisy some authors have I've seen around the internet. Why do we complain about AI Writing then turn around and use AI art? We are all in this together. You hate all of it or none of it here. If you hate AI Art, then PAY YOUR ARTISTS! They need to eat just like you or I. Idk, It's been simmering in my brain for a while.

I agree

 

[L1aei]

It'd be a lot easier (okay, maybe not a lot) to take people's anti-AI arguments more seriously if 99% of those arguments didn't quickly devolve into "AI represents the political party I disagree with!"

Well, since OtherSlater isn't coming back to this thread, it is instinctual to search for another punching bag, right?

 

[JayMark]

@RepresentingWrath

 

[Eldoria]

Well, since OtherSlater isn't coming back to this thread, it is instinctual to search for another punching bag, right?

She's learned a lot about how to communicate publicly in online forum... so as not to stir up trouble. So I expect her to come back... with more polite and friendly words, perhaps.

 

[Fang_Yuan]

Are you fishing in troubled waters?

why does that sound so familiar? Where have I read that? ?

 

[Worthy39]

I used AI for a concept art of what I wanted the cover to look like, and asked an artist friend of mine if he could do the finished product. We made a bet, he lost, he had no choice but to accept.

 

[SouthernMaiden]

The most common stance for AI support is that non-AI creators must adapt or they can only accept being left behind. The adapt part always changes in its specification every day, but it's usually about how AI now can do what artists never do. In a way Tina is right in their observation: AI easily fills up the blank space that has never existed, and been starving for its existence.

The opposite actually. AI is about sucking up human potential. Its a ploy by billionaire ghouls who are literally barely human. They want to destroy everything that makes life worth living. But they'll fail.

The future belongs to the artist. In the future human made art will command a premium. Of course, the masses will eat up the slop, like pigs. And they'll freely hand over their human potential to the ghouls.

But there will always be people who will need human creativity. Real writers, artists, and creators will support one another. I'm one of them. ?

 

[Cardon]

I used AI for a concept art of what I wanted the cover to look like, and asked an artist friend of mine if he could do the finished product. We made a bet, he lost, he had no choice but to accept.

Some artists do accept AI-generated references, though personally I find that existing resources are often more than enough. Stock photo sites are full of poses and if I'm going anime style, then I can freely combine tags on gelbooru until I find something similar enough to my vision.

 

[unlaumy]

The opposite actually. AI is about sucking up human potential. Its a ploy by billionaire ghouls who are literally barely human. They want to destroy everything that makes life worth living. But they'll fail.

It's only a matter of time before AI companies find that their AI has developed enough and choose to internalize its productions. How will the AI users fare after this? They long for AI artists vs free-range artists war, but it's just their delusion. There's no future where AI writers, AI drawers, AI animators, and others will humiliate AI haters. They'll only get thrown into the trash and it's just the AI companies vs everyone else.

The future belongs to the artist. In the future human made art will command a premium. Of course, the masses will eat up the slop, like pigs. And they'll freely hand over their human potential to the ghouls.

But there will always be people who will need human creativity. Real writers, artists, and creators will support one another. I'm one of them. ?

Good.

 

[SouthernMaiden]

One more thing to add to this thread. EVERYONE LOVES TO QUITE 1984 BY GEORGE ORWELL. So here:

In the book, the PROLES (85% of the pop) consume low quality automated content known as Prolefeed. Its music and lit made by machine.

This barrage of content is used to pacify the impoverished proles and stop them from fighting back against their oppressors who keep them poor, hungry, and dumb.

This book was published in 1949. Reminder you of anything?

 

[Enkiari]

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa pls
Let me just exist. Let's clean up the reported posts for now.
Pls behave, children.

 

[Prince_Azmiran_Myrian]

Virtue signaling: The Thread

 

[tiaf]

Some artists do accept AI-generated references, though personally I find that existing resources are often more than enough. Stock photo sites are full of poses and if I'm going anime style, then I can freely combine tags on gelbooru until I find something similar enough to my vision.

I agree. Free picrew are doing a pretty good job at reference for character design. For colors there are color charts and irl photos are the best for poses.

I’d not accept AI references

1. They are 99% anatomically and perspective wise not correct and are obsolete as reference, it’s absolute horror to work with that
2. There is 100% some reference already existing out there, there is never gonna be the perfect reference and AI is unlikely to make the perfect reference. If it can why hire an artist?
3. I find AI references highly disturbing the creative process. They do more harm than good.

 

[Anonjohn20]

I guarantee that if someone had spun a story about how stock images were stealing jobs from artists and photographers because people could just copy them off the internet for free, people would have been just as outraged by that as they are by AI.

AI is doing so much more; not only is it stealing jobs (from other sectors besides art too), it is also driving the demand up for tech components, causing shortages and price hikes, generating unethical content (erotic deepfakes of IRL people); it is completely subsidized by the populace (the AI companies make a bunch of money but their costs are being covered by the taxpayer); storing people's personal data, often without consent; some of the data it stores of people has been leaked on the internet; it's being used for cybercrime; it's showing lots of bias in the healthcare industry (the jobs it stole from insurance agencies see it often discriminating against certain groups, multiple studies it treated women's requests as less serious than men's requests for some reason); it's chatbots are leading mentally ill people to harm themselves (fake AI psychologists are dangerous but more companies are using them); it has been caught lying about data and making up sources (journalists, lawyers, lawmakers, etc. all affected by this); etc.

I'd be okay with most of it if it wasn't being paid for/subsidized with my tax dollars. If those companies are making money, they should pay for their own power bills, buy their own property to use as server farms, pay their own employees, etc.

If you need a funny example of the harm it's causing, here is a picture of Senator Durbin trying to get AI-generated content admitted into evidence for a Senate hearing without realizing it is fake (notice how the bottom agent is missing his head):

Wherever you land on the political spectrum, fake evidence helps no one (so please don't take this comment as a right vs. left thing).

 

[Cardon]

I'd be okay with most of it if it wasn't being paid for/subsidized with my tax dollars. If those companies are making money, they should pay for their own power bills, buy their own property to use as server farms, pay their own employees, etc.

Thing is, they don't make money. They generate stock value, but that lasts only until investors notice that this thing will never generate the returns it promised, despite Microsoft trying to force AI into every component of Win 11, despite phones building assistants into everything. Trust into this thing is rapidly falling, which is why they keep begging for state subsidies.

 

[Bartun]

We can argue how immoral AI is, stealing people's jobs or how big tech is making a fortune out of it, but AI is merely a tool, and it's here to stay.

I live in a third-world country, and I would love to pay an artist for covers and illustrations if only the price tag wasn't higher than my salary. The opposite is also true. I've seen artists complaining about third-world artists 'unfair competition', or even big companies hiring 'cheap' labor.

Also, my country is sanctioned, and PayPal and almost every form of online payment are blocked here. So there's that too.

Also, I'm just an amateur writer who writes on his spare time, not someone who makes a living from writing, and even though I draw my own art, I just love AI sketching my own characters in mere seconds while I do something else.

I had spent years trying to get better at both writing and drawing. And even though I had put all my heart and passion into it, it didn't translate into great success, at least not immediately. We can make the same argument about real people writing 'cheap smut' or whatever as not being 'true writing' or artists drawing lewd stuff as not being 'true art' just because they're making more money, or having more fame or notoriety.

Ultimately, the choice is the consumer's. The current trend is that AI slop is failing miserably, and the consumer is paying for books, TV series, and video games made by real people, or even returning to old-time classics, as even stuff made by real people is failing. But one day, AI will be just as good as any writer or artist, even if it lacks a 'soul', and if people begin to choose 'AI slop' over real art, be it visual art or in writing, it will only mean we need to do better as writers and artists.

In the end, all I can do is keep doing what I love, because I love it, regardless of whether it makes money or brings fame.

 

[TinaMigarlo]

now im wondering what i should do to pay myself

what I do, is I touch myself in an impure manner.
see that way, I'm taking it out in trade. sort of.
pro tip: sit on your hand on a hard chair for a half an hour. it goes numb. then it feels like someone else's hand.
which is wayyy better. or, so I heard.
its called, the stranger. (i think of it as performance art)
I can't afford to hire a model, nor a pro photographer. Here's a decent pic of a girl, and yeah its AI. she's a made up girl, she's not real. who was harmed. anti-AI must be what people sounded like when the car was invented. stagecoach drivers revolted, buggy whip manufacturing companies went nuts. I mean, barbed wire invention killed the american cowboy. its called progress. now *everyone* can get a decent "photo" of a pretty girl with some look on her face, and if they can use it for an illustration, so much the better. I mean, phone technology killed the live human operator. who should artists be exempt. see, when way back when my great career ended once? I was told... hey, just the way it is, dude. But when its artists, its supposed to be different. why? because reasons. I'm reminded of a line from King in "the Gunslinger"... "and the world moved on"

 

[HungrySheep]

I had seen these comments many times, yet all the ones who say them would turn on their heels and show a different face when offered the chance to earn a fat check from their art.

To be fair, this goes for writers as well. I'm fairly certain if we had syosetu in the West, the majority of people would abandon their principles in exchange for a fat check. In fact, this actually already happened in Japan and we nearly saw the rise of the first manga/anime adaptation based on something written by ZERO effort AI which would inevitably be glazed by the general audience had it been released.

That said, there are some artists who make covers for free. One that I know of is Gemi Ningen who periodically draws characters from novels they really enjoy as far as I'm aware (without charging the authors). I'd say that if I ever got a free comm from them, I know I've made it, but they read Korean webnovels on Naver exclusively AFAIK. Unsure of whether there's anyone in the West who does this.

And even though I had put all my heart and passion into it, it didn't translate into great success, at least not immediately.

90% of success is luck, so don't lose hope.