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[OtherSlater]

 

[AliceMoonvale]

 

[TinaMigarlo]

look. being objective, here's one aspect of this. the old saw "whose ox is being gored" always applies and will never fail to apply. when its (you) being let go or losing, its heart wrenching and a crisis. to anyone not affected? not so much.

there was a time 15 and more years ago. People were being put out of work for example coal mines were being closed. Lifetime workers, were wondering what would become of their families and themselves. The media, responded with a somewhat snarky "they can learn to code" meme. it was in a lot of national newspapers, and it became a sort of rally cry. Its kind of rude to say that to blue collar coal miners. but whatever.

well, the shoe was on the other foot 4 to 6 years later. when a lot of *media* outlets were over staffed and letting writers/journalists go. All of a sudden, people noticed. the *same* journalists who once snarked out "they can learn to code" were all of a sudden on camera, tearful, this is my career, how will I feed my little girl. The public remembered though, what *they* had said to the miners. Hey, turnabout is fair play. Now they were being told... learn to code. Well, they freaked. All of a sudden, it was hate speech to say "learn to code". curious how it wasn't, when it was laughing at coal miners.

the point being. when someone else is being phased out, its not a big deal, and you can even say snarky stuff. but when its y-o-u threatened, its a big deal and everyone has to care. I think the truth is, that AI had gotten so much better in only a couple years, it will conmtinue like any opther digital technology. in 10 to 20 years, it will be commonplace and way better. There's no stopping thopse coal mines that closed, there was no stopping the journalists being let go from their over saturated market.

we can snark back and forth, or we can "support" each other, whatever that even means or entails. but people wouldn't "buy american" when imported worked almost as good and was half the price for the same similar things. and the world moved on. the coal miners, the journalists. no matter, the world moved on. we can do whatever, but this time? the world will move on no matter which way it goes. we can "support" or we can snark, but in the end it doesn't matter. Barbed wire killed cowboys, phones killed operators. this might kill artists, and one day even writers, who knows. But I know the world at large will barely register it as a speed bump.

of course? when I was little I was always hearing about "the robots" and all these years and decades later? they're still not everywhere. maybe this will be the hype that robots were. but if its gonna happen, its gonna happen. no one made a law against barbed wire, no one was making laws against phones having dials, and now no one will outlaw AI.

the world? will move on.

you have to be philosophical about it.

we can snark or support; it won't change a thing.

so as I said? best to turn this into a humor thread.

 

[HungrySheep]

look. being objective, here's one aspect of this. the old saw "whose ox is being gored" always applies and will never fail to apply. when its (you) being let go or losing, its heart wrenching and a crisis. to anyone not affected? not so much.

there was a time 15 and more years ago. People were being put out of work for example coal mines were being closed. Lifetime workers, were wondering what would become of their families and themselves. The media, responded with a somewhat snarky "they can learn to code" meme. it was in a lot of national newspapers, and it became a sort of rally cry. Its kind of rude to say that to blue collar coal miners. but whatever.

well, the shoe was on the other foot 4 to 6 years later. when a lot of *media* outlets were over staffed and letting writers/journalists go. All of a sudden, people noticed. the *same* journalists who once snarked out "they can learn to code" were all of a sudden on camera, tearful, this is my career, how will I feed my little girl. The public remembered though, what *they* had said to the miners. Hey, turnabout is fair play. Now they were being told... learn to code. Well, they freaked. All of a sudden, it was hate speech to say "learn to code". curious how it wasn't, when it was laughing at coal miners.

the point being. when someone else is being phased out, its not a big deal, and you can even say snarky stuff. but when its y-o-u threatened, its a big deal and everyone has to care. I think the truth is, that AI had gotten so much better in only a couple years, it will conmtinue like any opther digital technology. in 10 to 20 years, it will be commonplace and way better. There's no stopping thopse coal mines that closed, there was no stopping the journalists being let go from their over saturated market.

we can snark back and forth, or we can "support" each other, whatever that even means or entails. but people wouldn't "buy american" when imported worked almost as good and was half the price for the same similar things. and the world moved on. the coal miners, the journalists. no matter, the world moved on. we can do whatever, but this time? the world will move on no matter which way it goes. we can "support" or we can snark, but in the end it doesn't matter. Barbed wire killed cowboys, phones killed operators. this might kill artists, and one day even writers, who knows. But I know the world at large will barely register it as a speed bump.

of course? when I was little I was always hearing about "the robots" and all these years and decades later? they're still not everywhere. maybe this will be the hype that robots were. but if its gonna happen, its gonna happen. no one made a law against barbed wire, no one was making laws against phones having dials, and now no one will outlaw AI.

the world? will move on.

you have to be philosophical about it.

we can snark or support; it won't change a thing.

so as I said? best to turn this into a humor thread.

AI will never affect me professionally as I'm too unlucky to write for a living and too shit at drawing to draw for a living. When my job is automated, nearly everything in society will be and humanity will be in a post-scarcity era where no one will have to work anymore because all work is automated.

Despite this, AI content is still slop and will continue to be until the first true bottom-up AI is made.

 

[Anonjohn20]

nearly everything in society will be and humanity will be in a post-scarcity era where no one will have to work anymore because all work is automated.

What most people who say this don't realize is that in a society like that, only those with the most connections (all the nepotism and cronyism babies that are on good terms with people in power) will survive and thrive; the rest of the population will just be excess, neglected, and forgotten about.

 

[HungrySheep]

What most people who say this don't realize is that in a society like that, only those with the most connections (all the nepotism and cronyism babies that are on good terms with people in power) will survive and thrive; the rest of the population will just be excess, neglected, and forgotten about.

Which is unfortunate because post-scarcity necessitates the abolition of poverty. When there are no longer any costs associated with manufacturing or production, the logical conclusion is that everyone can be guaranteed a life where, at the very least, all basic needs are satisfied much like in the world described in Rawls' A Theory of Justice.

I want to be optimistic and believe that humanity can do better. Reality is against me and it's a bleak outlook for the future seeing as we seem to be moving away from Star Trek and more towards Dune, but one can still hope.

 

[Eldoria]

Huh... why is this discussion increasingly shifting towards the Industrial Revolution 4.0 and job automation?

We're here to discuss fiction. I don't want to get into all the heavy topics (even though we face them in the real world). I'm here for my hobby, not to discuss the future of AI. Please continue with those topics.

Sorry, I'm leaving this ship.

 

[Hans.Trondheim]

Some artists do accept AI-generated references, though personally I find that existing resources are often more than enough. Stock photo sites are full of poses and if I'm going anime style, then I can freely combine tags on gelbooru until I find something similar enough to my vision.

I accept AI-generated references because, really, that makes my commissions easier and less prone to the (sometimes) unreasonable whims of the client (like frequent requests for changes coz they aren't satisfied).

 

[Anonjohn20]

Sorry, I'm leaving this ship.

No, you're not! Get back here and either defend or criticize AI use in fiction! LOL JK

You will just ignore Hungrysheep and me and happily interact with everyone else.

When there are no longer any costs associated with manufacturing or production, the logical conclusion is that everyone can be guaranteed a life where, at the very least, all basic needs are satisfied much like in the world described in Rawls' A Theory of Justice.

If that was the logical conclusion, then all of the socialist/Marxist revolutions would have worked rather than turning into authoritarian regimes. The human element prevails, and ultimately we are a tribal species. We will always seek to secure something better for our tribe or clan even if that means defeating a different tribe or clan. (I'm hoping this won't get deleted by mods; it's really threading the line between politics and psychological behavior. I was hoping the conversation would be way less political but it seems I'm messing it up.)

 

[HungrySheep]

We will always seek to secure something better for our tribe or clan even if that means defeating a different tribe or clan.

Which is illogical as cooperation provides much better opportunities for many more people over competition.

 

[Alski]

Which is illogical as cooperation provides much better opportunities for many more people over competition.

Humans still suck at that.

 

[Anonjohn20]

many more people

The exact thing that most humans are hardwired on an instinctual level to not care about. Ignoring human nature causes entire civilizations to fall.

cooperation provides much better opportunities for many more people over competition.

And yet, it is under competition that most innovation and progress occur. Without competition our species turns stagnant.

 

[HungrySheep]

Ignoring human nature causes entire civilizations to fall.

Correct, because the vast majority of humans are, by nature, selfish creatures. Trying to be selfless while in a position of power already places you in a position of vulnerability. But we are not beasts. We are not beholden to our nature. Humanity evolved and gained the ability of rational thought. Is it too much to hope for rationality to win? Is it too much to hope for empathy to triumph?

I don't think so. We developed higher thought. We are capable of being better than our primal instincts. I don't think we have to resign ourselves to an inevitability of corpo-dystopia and subscription slop, but obviously, that's not a popular opinion or we wouldn't be looking toward one in the first place. Still, it's not too late to turn around.

And yet, it is under competition that most innovation and progress occur. Without competition our species turns stagnant.

To be entirely fair, there has never been a point in time where humanity exhibited a level of cooperation on a scale equivalent to the levels of competition demonstrated in the World Wars and the Cold War. We simply haven't tried. While this statement is very often regurgitated by supporters of capitalism, I don't think it's fair to say that humanity becomes stagnant in the absence of competition when there hasn't been any actual evidence. I think there's stagnation in hedonism, but not in cooperation.

Humans still suck at that.

Yeah. My point is they don't have to.

 

[Anonjohn20]

I don't think it's fair to say that humanity becomes stagnant in the absence of competition when there hasn't been any actual evidence.

Look up the North Sentinel Islanders; they have no competition or other tribes to push them towards any progress, and they are today stuck in the Stone Age; this group is just chilling, constantly happy among themselves. I bet their leader doesn't even have any tax system set up; I'm so envious. The other 5 tribes in the Andaman and Nicobar Islands. are way more advanced by merely having contact with the outside world (the other tribes avoid outside contact but don't try to instantly kill anyone from the outside).

 

[HungrySheep]

Look up the North Sentinel Islanders; they have no competition or other tribes to push them towards any progress, and they are today stuck in the Stone Age; this group is just chilling, constantly happy among themselves. I bet their leader doesn't even have any tax system set up; I'm so envious.

If they had toilet paper and running water, you can bet I'd be first in line to join that tribe bro. That said, I don't think they can progress even with competition. There just aren't enough natural resources in the archipelago that they live in to advance to an iron age.

The other 5 tribes in the Andaman and Nicobar Islands. are way more advanced by merely having contact with the outside world

This seems more cooperation than competition (outsiders helping the tribes) unless they're doing some weird munitions trade with tribes and promoting infighting between them which I highly doubt since the tribespeople wouldn't have the money to finance this.

 

[Anonjohn20]

outsiders helping the tribes

Not direct help, but due to forced communications, they are learning things like the importance of clothes and laws (they'll unfortunately be paying taxes in a few centuries). It'd be very misleading to say that India has mutual cooperation with them; it's more like they are observing the weird modern people.

EDIT: we need to show them AI and see what they do with it.

 

[HungrySheep]

they'll unfortunately be paying taxes in a few centuries

I would've stayed in the primordial soup if I knew there were gonna be days like this...

It'd be very misleading to say that India has mutual cooperation with them; it's more like they are observing the weird modern people.

I'm no expert on Sentinelese tribes, but I hope they aren't being hurt more than they are being helped (if they are being helped at all, that is).

EDIT: we need to show them AI and see what they do with it.

I feel like they'd think a chatbot was an actual person LMAO

 

[Anonjohn20]

I'm no expert on Sentinelese tribes, but I hope they aren't being hurt more than they are being helped (if they are being helped at all, that is).

The idea is that India wants these "uncontacted tribes" to be left alone. The world is running out of uncontacted tribes.

 

[HungrySheep]

The idea is that India wants these "uncontacted tribes" to be left alone.

That's confusing. If they want the tribes to be left alone why are they contacting them LOL

 

[AnonUnlimited]

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