My thoughts on AC Shadows after seeing the trailer.

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r/GamingCircleJerk when it is Assasin's creed vs when it is Hogwarts legacy, somehow Hogwarts wasnt just a "Game" back then​

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That is the quality of people supporting AC Shadows.

(the worse place of reddit. Even worse than 4ch of japan. Even reporting(function) toxic people(their main occupants), can risk you to be banned there i heard. Reddit staff ban illegal subreddit stuff but somehow it is not)
 
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I can't wait to see these dumpster fires of game and studios fail. It's truly entertaining to witness the mediocrity in everything they do. :blob_popcorn:
 

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I can't wait to see these dumpster fires of game and studios fail. It's truly entertaining to witness the mediocrity in everything they do. :blob_popcorn:
Most of the issue has been caused by the cultural and language barriers mixed with the tone deafness of the large corporation. Add complacency of the higher management, not expecting difficulties because of different regions, and their arrogance, further worsened by the nature of the journalists they hired.

To this point, both sides are talking past each other, unable to understand what went wrong.

Ubisoft would likely go bankrupt before any of their directors understand what they did wrong.
 

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Let this thread die already.
Should I have started a new thread? :blob_hmm: But I didn't have anything particular to say, other than sharing this hilarious video.

Most of the issue has been caused by the cultural and language barriers mixed with the tone deafness of the large corporation. Add complacency of the higher management, not expecting difficulties because of different regions, and their arrogance, further worsened by the nature of the journalists they hired.

To this point, both sides are talking past each other, unable to understand what went wrong.

Ubisoft would likely go bankrupt before any of their directors understand what they did wrong.
I agree. Arrogance is always the prelude to downfall. If I were someone who invested in Ubisoft, I'd get rid of the shares as soon as possible. I don't know if they'll survive another massive L. At this point, no one listens to the specialized press on their payroll, so I see tough times ahead for Ubisoft.
 

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Should I have started a new thread? :blob_hmm: But I didn't have anything particular to say, other than sharing this hilarious video.
Post it on your profile? ?‍♂️ I don't know. Better threads don't get this level of attention, so I simply want this thread dead. It lived for way too long.
 

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Trust the Force, Luke. It would guide you to Lock Thread button.
The force isn't enough.
You need to pray to the chaos gods and bring them out of the warp and into being as well.
Then, only then will the Lock Thread Button show itself.
Should I have started a new thread? :blob_hmm: But I didn't have anything particular to say, other than sharing this hilarious video.


I agree. Arrogance is always the prelude to downfall. If I were someone who invested in Ubisoft, I'd get rid of the shares as soon as possible. I don't know if they'll survive another massive L. At this point, no one listens to the specialized press on their payroll, so I see tough times ahead for Ubisoft.
I'd agree to a certain extent that it's arrogance.
In the West, the Left (DEI, Woke or whatever you want to call it) has a certain arrogance about what they define as virtue or 'good' in their circles. It's where they believe that as long as they push certain ideology, they are right and anyone who disagrees are bigots.

That said, regardless of what they did with AC Shadows, this is also a trend that has happened in several other games that failed miserably.
It's funny because to them, diversity is only skin deep.
I'd prefer if Diversity Equity and Inclusion was Diversity, Equality and Inclusion, and they also embraced diversity of ideas instead of just skin, sexual orientation and disabilities.
 

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JP Government doesn't give a damn about AC Shadows:
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Actual JP Professor talks about Yasuke:
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Link 2

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JP Government believes in freedom of speech, unlike certain people in the West.
The JP professor is a "just trust me bro" dude and part of the communist party that promotes DEI.

EDIT: It's called the Fallacy of "argument from Authority" to cite some guy just because he has a degree. We have people with degrees all the time telling us that processed sugar is healthier for us than organic fruit and veggies. Does that mean we are wrong because one person says it?
 

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JP Government believes in freedom of speech, unlike certain people in the West.
The JP professor is a "just trust me bro" dude and part of the communist party that promotes DEI.
Here is a reddit thread about ppl wanting to buy the game too:
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Here is a reddit thread about ppl wanting to buy the game too:
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There will always be people who like something even though the majority of people don't like it.
I even like things most people don't like.

I don't think most people care that AC Shadows stars a black samurai. There are certainly Japanese people who don't give a damn about their own country, just like there are many Americans who hate America.

What most people don't like is how Ubisoft is trying to say this is all "historically accurate" when it clearly is not, and how they are trying to find that one person who has all the check boxes in Japan to say Yasuke was a samurai... when he wasn't. You got the "Japanese Professor," You got the White guy who wrote a book about it, you got the "consultant" who write about 'historical' boy love in Japan.

I'm just saying, if they simply said "hey let's make a Black Samurai in Japan" I don't think people would care. They'd treat it like Afro Samurai. It's pretty much all the other stuff that goes into it.

TLDR: It's all the gaslighting Ubisoft is doing that pisses people off.

For me, I hate it simply because I've bought all the Assassin's Creed Game up to this point and this one breaks the precedents that I've come to love about the game. Fictional Protagonist, and the protagonist being someone native to where the game starts.
 

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The force isn't enough.
You need to pray to the chaos gods and bring them out of the warp and into being as well.
Then, only then will the Lock Thread Button show itself.
I believe in Lock Button!

If a lot of us believes that Lock Button is real, it would become real.
 

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Here is a reddit thread about ppl wanting to buy the game too:
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The game is so poorly received, they refunded the pre-orders, which were small in number to begin with. I believe the last number I heard less than 800 preorders nation-wide for Playstation and XBOX. I don't know about Steam, but if the console pre-orders ARE THAT LOW, than while numbers might be SLIGHTLY higher for Steam...they won't break 10,000 GUARANTEED. And even 10,000 is so abysmally low, you might as well scrap the game and hope you can have the expenses deducted via tax write-off.

Oh! Found the article(s) that said less than 800 units. One is dated to August 29th, the other to September 6th.

Also, the ONLY Japanese historian to claim Yasuke was a samurai, is that Hirayama idiot who is a proud member of the Japanese Communist party, and has already shilled for DEI trash before. Find me another Japanese historian, and then I'll listen. I mean, half of the man's "sources" are so-called "locals" in the area where Yasuke spent most of his time in Japan. In what reality is local legends taken for historical evidence? Do let me know.
The only other sources claiming Yasuke was a Samurai, is Thomas Lockley, who started all this nonsense from a fraudulent background....oh and the countless culture/pop-culture warrior nonsense...who if you read enough articles...guess who their sources are? Thomas Lockley and Hirayama. Funny how it's ONLY THESE TWO people right? All those Japanese historians who COULD be making claims and guess what? Nothing. Silence. Crickets. I've seen a few other articles of people using other sources, only a few, which I will now list here:

1) Johnathan Lopez-Vera, who in 2020 wrote A History of the Samurai: Legendary Warriors of Japan Guess what? He uses Thomas Lockley as his source. Lockley has already been outed as a liar and manipulator of the truth. He purposely mistranslated numerous Japanese texts, something that Japanese historians have called him out on. I have a link for you if you would like to see some of THAT summarized by someone else who knows the language and went into painstaking details about it.

2) E Taylor Atkins A History of Popular Culture in Japan: From the Seventeenth Century to the Present - Written in 2022. I haven't read this one, but a friend of mine has a copy and he checked the bibliography for me, and the only sources are Hirayama and Lockley and believe it or not....the guy above, Johnathan Lopez-Vera. Oh! and a CNN article by someone named Emiko Jozuka in 2019, which is an interesting coincidence timing wise, considering when Lockley's book came out. Other than that article, I can find nothing about this woman except that she works at CNN.

Other than that, a few BBC articles who give no sources other than Lockley, one from France, which sites Hirayama, and something by a woman named Jacquelyne
Germaine who amusingly enough, back in 2023, was running her mouth while trying to drum up some kind of interest in that Yasuke anime thing on Netflix in 2023. Lol guess what? She's a journalist LOOOOOL


They've already called Thomas Lockley and his trash book's bluff. They even discovered where he fraudulently changed Yasuke's entry in the Encyclopedia Britannica, and not long after, suddenly Lockley decided to remove himself from the discussion. Interesting timing I'd say. Furthermore, there isn't a single Japanese historical contemporary resource that names Yasuke as a Samurai. There is literally only 4 lines of information about the man, and NOT A SINGLE ONE SAYS SAMURAI. If he had been given that title, it would have said so. IT would say samurai, not "retainer" which is an ambiguous title that could be anything from an official horse groomer, (which was a prestigious position for peasants since you cared for a Samurai's direct war mount, meaning you had influence with him due to his horse being part of his livelihood), to a cup-bearer, which is AN EXTREMELY trusted position since important people needed someone they trusted their lives with, handling their food and drink.

Also, there isn't a single shred of evidence that Yasuke EVER saw battle. Not a single one. Nothing.

Yasuke is a nice piece of history, but people are taking it, and writing fanfiction. And it all started, (at least in the west), with Thomas Lockley's book.

I read it out of curiosity. Half of it isn't even about Yasuke, which is the funniest part. It's part philosophy, part social commentary, with bits of background information about Japan during the time. And then comes the parts that do talk about Yasuke, which have no sources listed in the text backing and supporting anything said in it. Lockley even goes into details about Yasuke's emotions and "how Yasuke felt", and "what Yasuke believed".....and how in the hell did he know any of that? How? I got rid of that trash a week after finishing it. Didn't deserve to even sit UNDER my bookshelves.

Japanese historians themselves hardly know shit!! You know why they hardly know shit? Because hardly shit was recorded.

Lockley also lies on numerous occasions, but my favorite lie in his book, and easy to debunk I mean, is claiming Yasuke served Nobunaga for "several years" and thus had time enough to be promoted to Samurai. No he didn't. He was in Japan from August 1579 to July 1582. He began serving Nobunaga ONLY in 1581, and then left Japan altogether in 1582. He served Nobunaga for only 18 months. 18 months for serving Nobunaga was just the round-up figure given and generally accepted due to a lack of concrete evidence to the contrary.

Edit: I noticed I typed the last paragraph wrong. I meant Yasuke served Oda Nobunaga for 18 months, not that he had only been in Japan for 18 months.
 
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There is a difference between using a character from a different culture, and using a character from a different culture to promote your own cultural agenda. Which Ubi did. Japanese rarely do it, Chinese do it, and sometimes Korean. People would not care as much abou Yasuke if everything around him was done well. But everything around him was also atrocious, which kinda shows they only care about their agenda.

Wouldn’t even call it something so tame, it’s basically straight up historical revisionism to push an agenda and make profit.

I want to stop you both right there.
This isn't "cultural appropriation."
This is re-writing history and telling people their history is wrong.

This is plain out lying.
Japan wouldn't care if Yasuke was 'fictional' but when people are going around saying he's 'an actual samurai' and telling lies about historical Japan, that's when it becomes a problem.

The saying, the winners write the history is how it goes. By re-writing a country's history, you're claiming cultural victory over them.

I call it cultural appropriation becasue that's what they all are "fighting against." Nothing more, nothing less. To show the hypocrisy.

This words......

Not trying to worsen for you guys but....... :sweating_profusely:
have you guys heard about GOOGLE AI IMAGES ?

It was a drama-buzz a small while ago.
But basically.
Asking the AI : "PLZ give images of GERMAN SOLDIERS in WW2"
=> Asian dude in german soldier uniform, Black African dude in german uniform, Female
(Not kidding)
:sweating_profusely:
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r/Asmongold - From Yasuke was 100% samurai to ...we acknowledge that this is matter of debate...


r/Asmongold - From Yasuke was 100% samurai to ...we acknowledge that this is matter of debate...


r/Asmongold - From Yasuke was 100% samurai to ...we acknowledge that this is matter of debate...


r/Asmongold - From Yasuke was 100% samurai to ...we acknowledge that this is matter of debate...

He wasn't a samurai though. He was a servant. He was like a pet. Samurai were the nobility, like Knights. It was a lifestyle, not just a title, and not just a rank. Samurai also were required to learn the katana, it was the MAIN requirement. Yasuke was only in Japan for 15-18 months, and actual samurai spent their lives learning the intricacies of sword-play.

Even today's watered down versions of kenjutsu, take years to be considered even intermediate level at best. Yasuke was NOT a samurai. I'm assuming the hate comes from those who are angry at the obvious historical inaccuracies, and the usual nonsense with over-representing minorites that is a current thing in today's gaming.

Diversity for diversities sake is not a good thing. It needs to make sense. For example, the latest Castlevania race-swapped the female MC for absolutely no reason. Her character was already well-established with significant lore. But for whatever reason, people still continue with this nonsense.

Like the show Barbarians. It's ratings plummeted in Season 2 because of the usual tokenism that had no place in that historical time period. Then their is making that English Queen of the Tudor Period black....just why? There are other examples of course.

Then Netflix with that Cleopatra fiasco. Again....just why?
Japan has a right to be pissed. They asked Ubisoft for years to make a AC set during Warring States period, and they get an ahistorical mess with the usual identity politics stuffed in. AND Yasuke is reputedly going to be gay?

Again.....just why? For what purpose was Yasuke, the ONLY African ever to be in Japan at the time, and for such a small period of time, chosen to be the MC? They could have literally done ANYTHING...and this is what they chose? And then they had to add the LGBT crap in too for good measure? Why?

Who is this game for? It's guaranteed to bomb just like the majority of the obvious identity politics-based games have. I'm wondering which Sweet-Baby or Sweet-Baby like company was involved in "consulting" this future flop.

Just say American Leftists. It's not a secret anymore. They've been at this for a little over a decade now. But they'll call you a bigot or a racist if you point it out to them. I'm not American, but I've kept up with their politics enough to know. Plus, for that brief 3-month period I experimented with having a Twitter account, I learned more than enough about their kind.

I can't say for Leftists around the world, but American Leftists are Straight Outta the Cesspool. I have never interacted with such a deluded, arrogant, and overly aggressive bunch. They Do Not like it when you disagree with them. I made the mistake of vacationing to Los Angeles with family once. I wanted to surf on the California beaches I saw from old 90's movies. I've interacted with actual self-proclaimed Neo-Nazis in my country that weren't half as intolerant and cruel as Californian Democrats. It's strange seeing actual fascists call others fascist.

But they are so convinced they are on the "right side" of history. Lol obvious pun is obvious. You Americans are a weird bunch.

Can't wait to play it, I don't get the hate it getting or why people are so pressed?, assassin's creed have never been historical correct so when i saw some weebs crying that a black samurai was not "historical correct" I just felt pity.So playing with an actual historic character is bad?, that's what am getting from allover

Lol, this thread became so political when I just expressed my interest in playing AC Shadows :blobrofl:

honestly, i think that sums up everything over this part of the 'culture wars'. diversity done well only bothers the extreme twonks (who get bothered over everything) because it's crafted in such a way that no real response is the good response. what gets the goat of a lot of normal people is when diversity is so hamfistedly jammed into things where it makes no sense whatsoever and turns something into a perverse fanfiction straight out of the slimy depths of wattpad.

that whole ubi statement just reeks of corpo consultant double speak and i do not believe that no-one internally raised the yasuke issue as going to be a significant issue. in a way, im kinda impressed that ubi did such an.... impressive job at picking the thing most likely to aggravate a part of the AC playerbase (and a country) and then so badly mishandling it repeatedly.

ubi: 'we dont set out to make historically accurate games'
also ubi: 'Origins, Odyssey and Valhalla all have an education mode where you can tour and learn about the period and cultures featured in them'

on the broad strokes, obviously they do though. ubi cant even be consistent in their messaging.

Now I'm hoping that they don't shy away from the pederasty.

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No wonder the first 3 2 are so good.

I can't wait to see these dumpster fires of game and studios fail. It's truly entertaining to witness the mediocrity in everything they do. :blob_popcorn:

Most of the issue has been caused by the cultural and language barriers mixed with the tone deafness of the large corporation. Add complacency of the higher management, not expecting difficulties because of different regions, and their arrogance, further worsened by the nature of the journalists they hired.

To this point, both sides are talking past each other, unable to understand what went wrong.

Ubisoft would likely go bankrupt before any of their directors understand what they did wrong.

The force isn't enough.
You need to pray to the chaos gods and bring them out of the warp and into being as well.
Then, only then will the Lock Thread Button show itself.

I'd agree to a certain extent that it's arrogance.
In the West, the Left (DEI, Woke or whatever you want to call it) has a certain arrogance about what they define as virtue or 'good' in their circles. It's where they believe that as long as they push certain ideology, they are right and anyone who disagrees are bigots.

That said, regardless of what they did with AC Shadows, this is also a trend that has happened in several other games that failed miserably.
It's funny because to them, diversity is only skin deep.
I'd prefer if Diversity Equity and Inclusion was Diversity, Equality and Inclusion, and they also embraced diversity of ideas instead of just skin, sexual orientation and disabilities.

JP Government doesn't give a damn about AC Shadows:
Link
Actual JP Professor talks about Yasuke:
Link 1
Link 2

:blob_hide:

The game is so poorly received, they refunded the pre-orders, which were small in number to begin with. I believe the last number I heard less than 800 preorders nation-wide for Playstation and XBOX. I don't know about Steam, but if the console pre-orders ARE THAT LOW, than while numbers might be SLIGHTLY higher for Steam...they won't break 10,000 GUARANTEED. And even 10,000 is so abysmally low, you might as well scrap the game and hope you can have the expenses deducted via tax write-off.

Oh! Found the article(s) that said less than 800 units. One is dated to August 29th, the other to September 6th.

Also, the ONLY Japanese historian to claim Yasuke was a samurai, is that Hirayama idiot who is a proud member of the Japanese Communist party, and has already shilled for DEI trash before. Find me another Japanese historian, and then I'll listen. I mean, half of the man's "sources" are so-called "locals" in the area where Yasuke spent most of his time in Japan. In what reality is local legends taken for historical evidence? Do let me know.
The only other sources claiming Yasuke was a Samurai, is Thomas Lockley, who started all this nonsense from a fraudulent background....oh and the countless culture/pop-culture warrior nonsense...who if you read enough articles...guess who their sources are? Thomas Lockley and Hirayama. Funny how it's ONLY THESE TWO people right? All those Japanese historians who COULD be making claims and guess what? Nothing. Silence. Crickets. I've seen a few other articles of people using other sources, only a few, which I will now list here:

1) Johnathan Lopez-Vera, who in 2020 wrote A History of the Samurai: Legendary Warriors of Japan Guess what? He uses Thomas Lockley as his source. Lockley has already been outed as a liar and manipulator of the truth. He purposely mistranslated numerous Japanese texts, something that Japanese historians have called him out on. I have a link for you if you would like to see some of THAT summarized by someone else who knows the language and went into painstaking details about it.

2) E Taylor Atkins A History of Popular Culture in Japan: From the Seventeenth Century to the Present - Written in 2022. I haven't read this one, but a friend of mine has a copy and he checked the bibliography for me, and the only sources are Hirayama and Lockley and believe it or not....the guy above, Johnathan Lopez-Vera. Oh! and a CNN article by someone named Emiko Jozuka in 2019, which is an interesting coincidence timing wise, considering when Lockley's book came out. Other than that article, I can find nothing about this woman except that she works at CNN.

Other than that, a few BBC articles who give no sources other than Lockley, one from France, which sites Hirayama, and something by a woman named Jacquelyne
Germaine who amusingly enough, back in 2023, was running her mouth while trying to drum up some kind of interest in that Yasuke anime thing on Netflix in 2023. Lol guess what? She's a journalist LOOOOOL


They've already called Thomas Lockley and his trash book's bluff. They even discovered where he fraudulently changed Yasuke's entry in the Encyclopedia Britannica, and not long after, suddenly Lockley decided to remove himself from the discussion. Interesting timing I'd say. Furthermore, there isn't a single Japanese historical contemporary resource that names Yasuke as a Samurai. There is literally only 4 lines of information about the man, and NOT A SINGLE ONE SAYS SAMURAI. If he had been given that title, it would have said so. IT would say samurai, not "retainer" which is an ambiguous title that could be anything from an official horse groomer, (which was a prestigious position for peasants since you cared for a Samurai's direct war mount, meaning you had influence with him due to his horse being part of his livelihood), to a cup-bearer, which is AN EXTREMELY trusted position since important people needed someone they trusted their lives with, handling their food and drink.

Also, there isn't a single shred of evidence that Yasuke EVER saw battle. Not a single one. Nothing.

Yasuke is a nice piece of history, but people are taking it, and writing fanfiction. And it all started, (at least in the west), with Thomas Lockley's book.

I read it out of curiosity. Half of it isn't even about Yasuke, which is the funniest part. It's part philosophy, part social commentary, with bits of background information about Japan during the time. And then comes the parts that do talk about Yasuke, which have no sources listed in the text backing and supporting anything said in it. Lockley even goes into details about Yasuke's emotions and "how Yasuke felt", and "what Yasuke believed".....and how in the hell did he know any of that? How? I got rid of that trash a week after finishing it. Didn't deserve to even sit UNDER my bookshelves.

Japanese historians themselves hardly know shit!! You know why they hardly know shit? Because hardly shit was recorded.

Lockley also lies on numerous occasions, but my favorite lie in his book, and easy to debunk I mean, is claiming Yasuke served Nobunaga for "several years" and thus had time enough to be promoted to Samurai. No he didn't. He was in Japan from August 1579 to July 1582. He began serving Nobunaga ONLY in 1581, and then left Japan altogether in 1582. He served Nobunaga for only 18 months. 18 months for serving Nobunaga was just the round-up figure given and generally accepted due to a lack of concrete evidence to the contrary.

Edit: I noticed I typed the last paragraph wrong. I meant Yasuke served Oda Nobunaga for 18 months, not that he had only been in Japan for 18 months.
Who tf is Yasuke and wtf is happening??!
 
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