My thoughts on AC Shadows after seeing the trailer.

RepresentingWrath

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The Japanese do it all the time with anime, manga, and games.
There is a difference between using a character from a different culture, and using a character from a different culture to promote your own cultural agenda. Which Ubi did. Japanese rarely do it, Chinese do it, and sometimes Korean. People would not care as much abou Yasuke if everything around him was done well. But everything around him was also atrocious, which kinda shows they only care about their agenda.
 

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The Japanese do it all the time with anime, manga, and games.
There is a difference between using a character from a different culture, and using a character from a different culture to promote your own cultural agenda. Which Ubi did. Japanese rarely do it, Chinese do it, and sometimes Korean. People would not care as much abou Yasuke if everything around him was done well. But everything around him was also atrocious, which kinda shows they only care about their agenda.

I want to stop you both right there.
This isn't "cultural appropriation."
This is re-writing history and telling people their history is wrong.

This is plain out lying.
Japan wouldn't care if Yasuke was 'fictional' but when people are going around saying he's 'an actual samurai' and telling lies about historical Japan, that's when it becomes a problem.

The saying, the winners write the history is how it goes. By re-writing a country's history, you're claiming cultural victory over them.
 

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Wouldn’t even call it something so tame, it’s basically straight up historical revisionism to push an agenda and make profit.
I want to stop you both right there.
This isn't "cultural appropriation."
This is re-writing history and telling people their history is wrong.

This is plain out lying.
Japan wouldn't care if Yasuke was 'fictional' but when people are going around saying he's 'an actual samurai' and telling lies about historical Japan, that's when it becomes a problem.

The saying, the winners write the history is how it goes. By re-writing a country's history, you're claiming cultural victory over them.
I call it cultural appropriation becasue that's what they all are "fighting against." Nothing more, nothing less. To show the hypocrisy.
 

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I call it cultural appropriation becasue that's what they all are "fighting against." Nothing more, nothing less. To show the hypocrisy.
The thing is most people like me have no problem with cultural appropriation.

Hot white girl wants to wear a Chinese dress? Nice.

Cultural revisionism is far more sinister and evil in nature.

I get what you mean though.
 

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This whole situation somehow reminds me of the "Cleopatra was black!!!111!! My Granny said so!" Netflix documentation. Where do they find those people and why do they get paid so much while the authors in the hub need to get crowdfunded...

I'm expecting a black Jewish trans general of the American army to singlehandedly win the Second World War in the next "historically accurate" AC...

The worst part (or most funny part) of the whole debate is still, tho, that the whole outcry wouldn't have happened (and I dare say they'd get praised for their ingenuity) if they switched the protagonists and had made the girl a Ronin and Yasuke a Ninja. Think about it, Ninjas were pretty much spies and covert agents, and nothing is more covert than the biggest show act in the room being a spy.
Read this line and was reminded of this image:
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Not trying to worsen for you guys but....... :sweating_profusely:
have you guys heard about GOOGLE AI IMAGES ?

It was a drama-buzz a small while ago.
But basically.
Asking the AI : "PLZ give images of GERMAN SOLDIERS in WW2"
=> Asian dude in german soldier uniform, Black African dude in german uniform, Female
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You know how it is lol... Yasuke is real and he is the only black samurai in that era bc Nobunaga was very amused by him as he is so big and tall.
He wasn't a samurai though. He was a servant. He was like a pet. Samurai were the nobility, like Knights. It was a lifestyle, not just a title, and not just a rank. Samurai also were required to learn the katana, it was the MAIN requirement. Yasuke was only in Japan for 15-18 months, and actual samurai spent their lives learning the intricacies of sword-play.

Even today's watered down versions of kenjutsu, take years to be considered even intermediate level at best. Yasuke was NOT a samurai. I'm assuming the hate comes from those who are angry at the obvious historical inaccuracies, and the usual nonsense with over-representing minorites that is a current thing in today's gaming.

Diversity for diversities sake is not a good thing. It needs to make sense. For example, the latest Castlevania race-swapped the female MC for absolutely no reason. Her character was already well-established with significant lore. But for whatever reason, people still continue with this nonsense.

Like the show Barbarians. It's ratings plummeted in Season 2 because of the usual tokenism that had no place in that historical time period. Then their is making that English Queen of the Tudor Period black....just why? There are other examples of course.

Then Netflix with that Cleopatra fiasco. Again....just why?
Japan has a right to be pissed. They asked Ubisoft for years to make a AC set during Warring States period, and they get an ahistorical mess with the usual identity politics stuffed in. AND Yasuke is reputedly going to be gay?

Again.....just why? For what purpose was Yasuke, the ONLY African ever to be in Japan at the time, and for such a small period of time, chosen to be the MC? They could have literally done ANYTHING...and this is what they chose? And then they had to add the LGBT crap in too for good measure? Why?

Who is this game for? It's guaranteed to bomb just like the majority of the obvious identity politics-based games have. I'm wondering which Sweet-Baby or Sweet-Baby like company was involved in "consulting" this future flop.
This is american version of cultural appropriation used by certain kinds of people, and has nothing to do with real cultural appropriation. That's where hypocrisy is.
Just say American Leftists. It's not a secret anymore. They've been at this for a little over a decade now. But they'll call you a bigot or a racist if you point it out to them. I'm not American, but I've kept up with their politics enough to know. Plus, for that brief 3-month period I experimented with having a Twitter account, I learned more than enough about their kind.

I can't say for Leftists around the world, but American Leftists are Straight Outta the Cesspool. I have never interacted with such a deluded, arrogant, and overly aggressive bunch. They Do Not like it when you disagree with them. I made the mistake of vacationing to Los Angeles with family once. I wanted to surf on the California beaches I saw from old 90's movies. I've interacted with actual self-proclaimed Neo-Nazis in my country that weren't half as intolerant and cruel as Californian Democrats. It's strange seeing actual fascists call others fascist.

But they are so convinced they are on the "right side" of history. Lol obvious pun is obvious. You Americans are a weird bunch.
 
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Can't wait to play it, I don't get the hate it getting or why people are so pressed?, assassin's creed have never been historical correct so when i saw some weebs crying that a black samurai was not "historical correct" I just felt pity.So playing with an actual historic character is bad?, that's what am getting from allover
 

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Lol, this thread became so political when I just expressed my interest in playing AC Shadows :blobrofl:
 

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Can't wait to play it, I don't get the hate it getting or why people are so pressed?, assassin's creed have never been historical correct so when i saw some weebs crying that a black samurai was not "historical correct" I just felt pity.So playing with an actual historic character is bad?, that's what am getting from allover
Lol, this thread became so political when I just expressed my interest in playing AC Shadows :blobrofl:
Good for yous.
 

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Diversity for diversities sake is not a good thing. It needs to make sense.
honestly, i think that sums up everything over this part of the 'culture wars'. diversity done well only bothers the extreme twonks (who get bothered over everything) because it's crafted in such a way that no real response is the good response. what gets the goat of a lot of normal people is when diversity is so hamfistedly jammed into things where it makes no sense whatsoever and turns something into a perverse fanfiction straight out of the slimy depths of wattpad.

that whole ubi statement just reeks of corpo consultant double speak and i do not believe that no-one internally raised the yasuke issue as going to be a significant issue. in a way, im kinda impressed that ubi did such an.... impressive job at picking the thing most likely to aggravate a part of the AC playerbase (and a country) and then so badly mishandling it repeatedly.

ubi: 'we dont set out to make historically accurate games'
also ubi: 'Origins, Odyssey and Valhalla all have an education mode where you can tour and learn about the period and cultures featured in them'

on the broad strokes, obviously they do though. ubi cant even be consistent in their messaging.
 
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