Fanfics and Monetization

NotaNuffian

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Checked their content policy. Stolen MTLs are against their rules under Copyright infringement and Plagiarism. AI slop is allowed, as long as it's fanfiction AI slop.
Thank you for the verificafion.

Makes sense with the stolen MTLs.

... what do you mean fanfic AI slop?

I get the site is pure on fanfics (StevexBucky edition), but the notion of fanfic x AI slop does not compute in my head. Two negatives does not make a positive.
 

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Thank you for the verificafion.

Makes sense with the stolen MTLs.

... what do you mean fanfic AI slop?

I get the site is pure on fanfics (StevexBucky edition), but the notion of fanfic x AI slop does not compute in my head. Two negatives does not make a positive.
It's an AI slop, and it's also a fanfiction. A fanfiction slop created by AI. A fanfiction AI slop.
 

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That isn't so bad. As long as it's just Patreon links. So fanfics are not getting nuked.
Still not quite clear to me if we need to take any active action or FF authors can just go ahead? The only change is that Patreon links are no longer allowed & are not working? So there is nothing to do?
The "Tip" Button disappeared on its own, so it looks like everything has been taken care of.
 
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That isn't so bad. As long as it's just Patreon links. So fanfics are not getting nuked.
Still not quite clear to me if we need to take any active action or FF authors can just go ahead? The only change is that Patreon links are no longer allowed & are not working? So there is nothing to do?
The "Tip" Button disappeared on its own, so it looks like everything has been taken care of.
I believe the only action we can take is reporting fanfictions not tagged as such, but that should be much easier than hunting down translations.
After all, there's no need to look for proof, if your slop is called something like "Breeding Every Character in XYZ"
 

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I believe the only action we can take is reporting fanfictions not tagged as such, but that should be much easier than hunting down translations.
After all, there's no need to look for proof, if your slop is called something like "Breeding Every Character in XYZ"
Didn't mean from an "reporting angle" but ff authors must do.
 

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The simplest rule of which is simply looking for the fanfiction tag, just like advertisements are automatically removed on stories tagged smut.

To be honest though, I'm surprised this wasn't set up this way from the beginning. The various entertainment industries have long treated fanfiction as "If we see you, then you are in trouble… but we aren't looking too hard. Don't make us need to look."
 

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Now it's all about the eye of the beholder.

One person's totally original story idea is another person's sadly derivative copycat of all that's come before. Change some place names, shuffle some character names, flip a gender or two, and voila. Totally original story idea.
 

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Hmm, legally shouldn't this be more of patreon's problem rather than scribblehub? After all, patreon is the one illegally hosting the monetized chapters. I guess the legal connection comes down to scribblehub knowingly hosting a link to another site where illegal activity is going on then? Well, i suppose it's just safer to not have that connection in the first place and avoid the trouble altogether, but it seems like it would be a hard legal reach, especially since it can turn into a game of legal whack a mole.

I mean, people can always put layers in between after all. Like they could simply post a social media profile link, and then post monetization links there. Would that make tumblr, facebook etc. liable for hosting the links? Maybe not, so long as the sites can deny any knowledge of illegal activity going on in patreon? I'm not sure tbh. Or people could post a discord link and provide advanced chapters there. There can be so many ways to putting layers in between. I feel like this might be a situation of 'where there is a will, there is a way'.
 
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Hmm, legally shouldn't this be more of patreon's problem rather than scribblehub? After all, patreon is the one illegally hosting the monetized chapters. I guess the legal connection comes down to scribblehub knowingly hosting a link to another site where illegal activity is going on then? Well, i suppose it's just safer to not have that connection in the first place and avoid the trouble altogether, but it seems like it would be a hard legal reach, especially since it can turn into a legal whack a mole.

I mean, people can always put layers in between after all. Like they could simply post a social media profile link, and then post monetization links there. Would that make tumblr, facebook etc. liable for hosting the links? Maybe not, so long as the sites can deny any knowledge of illegal activity going on in patreon? I'm not sure tbh. Or people could just post a discord link and provide advanced chapters there. There can be so many ways to putting layers in between. I feel like this might be a situation of 'where there is a will, there is a way'.
What you are saying is true. You could simply link to Linktree or any other site. That way Tony and ScribbleHub are covered because there is another step between sites like Patreon and ScribbleHub.

I think the bigger problem was the "Tip me" button. Now that it has been removed SH should be covered.

The question is whether SH is viewing linking to various social media sites as dodging the ban.

Would be best to ask beforehand so as to not risk getting banned.

It makes sense for Tony to not take any risks for people earning on fanfics, after all ScribbleHub is free. Why would he risk a potential lawsuit?
 
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I do not have enough reactions for the actions that are going to be actioning this weekend as I write original stuff. :blob_popcorn::blob_popcorn_two:
 

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Hmm, legally shouldn't this be more of patreon's problem rather than scribblehub? After all, patreon is the one illegally hosting the monetized chapters. I guess the legal connection comes down to scribblehub knowingly hosting a link to another site where illegal activity is going on then? Well, i suppose it's just safer to not have that connection in the first place and avoid the trouble altogether, but it seems like it would be a hard legal reach, especially since it can turn into a legal whack a mole.

I mean, people can always put layers in between after all. Like they could simply post a social media profile link, and then post monetization links there. Would that make tumblr, facebook etc. liable for hosting the links? Maybe not, so long as the sites can deny any knowledge of illegal activity going on in patreon? I'm not sure tbh. Or people could just post a discord link and provide advanced chapters there. There can be so many ways to putting layers in between. I feel like this might be a situation of 'where there is a will, there is a way'.
I’ve seen people get DMCA even though they weren’t involved in the actual copyright infringement, simply because they’ve run the discord server related to the group that made money with translations. So yeah, copyright holders don’t care too much who they get if there is a target in the public eye.

making monetization easily accessible can be seen as form of assistance :blob_hmm:
 

JayMark

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The biggest reason we don't get hit with massive DMCA filings is because the fanfiction ecosystem is a publicity cash cow cult for the corporations that own the IPs. The second biggest is that it's a small money pot in corporate power terms. But once big enough and lucrative enough, or someone at Disney has a bad day, the corpos can fire down on multiple targets for damages. SH can be sued for damages if some corporation thinks their pot is being siphoned or their reputation being damaged by smut Jedi tentacle warriors having orgies.

My biggest fear in the fan fiction debate is more of a long term vision. I'm afraid corporate intelectual property concepts are going to bleed into concepts, terms, ideas, and genres. For example, not being able to have light sabers in original space opera, not being able to use certain alien races and settings, the shape of space ships, not being able to use creature concepts because corpos mass produce a trademark library of them, etc. Thus further limiting what original writers can produce via cultural ownership and cross referencing. But that goes far beyond the debate about what SH needs to do protect itself from legal liability now.

One of the reason I don't like fanfiction is that it feeds the beast in the paragraph above, because anything new or original authors produce in IP worlds becomes potential IP property for the corporate properties as well.
 
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