PAY ARTISTS !!

[TinaMigarlo]

I'm outta here. This is a religion/politics argument brewing. Fight nice, kids. Full contact axe fighting outside, wake me up for the meltie flame war. I'll make popcorn and be entertained.

 

[L1aei]

Most people don't want to (or can't) learn a brand new skill just to satisfy the entitled demands of one internet rando who was never going to read their book anyway. But you know what will turn away people who might actually be interested in reading your book? A badly drawn picture or a piece of ugly photoslop trying to pass itself off as a cover.

Diary of a Wimpy Kid.

 

[TinaMigarlo]

You've grown petals that are delicate and attractive, but everybody that has reached out to you is complaining about being pricked by your thorns. I'm trying to inform everybody tangled in your rosy disposition they should handle with thicker skin or pull on some gloves if they are that sensitive.

this post was AI generated. I can tell, by the purply prose (which was quite nice, BTW)
*snicker*

 

[Little-Moon]

oh, cool. I got several covers for you to get right on. I have AI you can use as a reference. Make it awesome and not bland. And? I want what I want. Not... your interpretation of what you *see*, having never read the book and just talked with me over coffee about it. I mean, if you;re great and this makes you happy? My gift to you.

I'm being facetious.

I'm actually friends with an awesome artist. He's impressive. He really should be a commercial artist, going by his abilities. A friend's wife was writing a children's book. One agent was excited, and told her with no art, it was a no go. She had top pay an artist, then maybe. I showed her his work, she went nuts. my buddy and her had me over one night a while after. Could I deal with the artist. So I took him out for coffee, and here's the thing.

"Yeah, that. See... it was a book explaining conflict to children, through the eyes of birds at war with bad birds. Dude, it was disguised right wing propaganda to brainwash kids to be "Murica! Eff-yeah!" And I can;t believe in that."

"I thought you wanted to be a commercial illustrator. that was your dream."

"Uh huh."

"Here you go. You have a b-l-a-n-k c-h-e-c-k on how much to charge. If her kids book gets priunted? YOU get commercial work to show you did. WIn win. Do you think you get hired to be a commercial illustrator, you pick and choose things? No. Draw this, you draw it."

"I just, like, can't promote that, dude."

(he has trouble living indoors, almost never working, mind you)

I tried to get him to do something for me? He wont draw what I want drawn. He wants to "see" something and be "inspired". Without reading the *&^%ing book, mind you.

artists? You brought AI on yourselves, all I got to say.

There you got your reason why he is not a pro despite having the skill. To be a Pro artists, professionalism is something you need, one cannot be always the artsy type that only works if you are the next pablo picasso.

As a pro like in every other business you do not get to choose your work all the time, nor the style you work in, no you take what your boss at the studio gives you and if necessary wring it and go on a research spree.

Because when they come with something that you have no idea of, any you still need to do it...well then grind your loins and expect to invest more time into research of what you are supposed to be drawing then actually drawing.

I can understand why AI art on a locig basis, because someone who does not earn money does not want to spend it, but there are free other possibilities out there you can use. Sometimes all you need to do is...ask a polite question and if it fails you can still go and do AI.

And now I will stop or I talk myself into a rage.

 

[L1aei]

this post was AI generated. I can tell, by the purply prose (which was quite nice, BTW)
*snicker*

Intent vs. probability; my writing had intent, you just have to read into it.

 

[OtherSlater]

Who's exaggerating? One of the most common points people bring up when defending AI art is that a lot of artists have started charging several hundred dollars for their work, and if you tell them it's for something like a book cover that price can skyrocket into the thousands.

Ah, my bad. I forgot that everyone else's lived experiences stop mattering when they contradict yours.

Sorry, what was that about not exaggerating to make a point?

Then you'd be fine paying for every single one of those covers you're demanding people commission, right?

Do I love individual artists who I know and have impacted my life in some way? Yes. Do I love "artists" as a whole just for the sake of loving artists? No, and claiming you do is pretentious and disingenuous.

Are you sticking your fingers in your ears when people say that commissioning artists costs money? Given the rates artists charge, nobody is going to pay for what one rando on a writer's forum considers "real" art.



Most people don't want to (or can't) learn a brand new skill to satisfy the entitled demands of one internet rando who was never going to read their book anyway. But you know what will turn away people who might actually be interested in reading your book? A badly drawn picture or a piece of ugly photoslop trying to pass itself off as a cover.

Let's break it down! Last response for you, I don't like your tone, pal!

1. Find and network. Work.
2. Like...What???
3. The point of Gen AI is to replace most if not all artists. Maybe try harder instead
of the snark.
4. No! What kind of point is this?
5. "If you say you love art you sound pretentious." ???
5.5. Also irony, with all this snark lol
6. I refuted this point in another thread. I don't want to repeat to those in bad faith.
7. Booohooo I have to learn a SKILL for my ART! Oh nooo!!
8. My catchy title is not demanding, it's a call to action. Try again.

To summarize, if you wanna roll in the mud, be my guest! I'm not forcing anyone to do anything. What interests me about you AI-Army folks is how defensive y'all are! Like why I gotta be all entitled and XYZ for calling out hypocrisy? Just text your art and leave it be. You won't convince anyone with that aggression. Anyway, I won't be responding to rude people, keep it respectful next time, yeah? You don't know my name.

 

[Assurbanipal_II]

To artists: Do you purrchance wish to sign a contract~?

 

[OtherSlater]

Are you offering yourself? Because if not, that's just hypocrisy, especially since you opened by demanding people pay for artists.

Call to action (CTA) is a marketing term for any text designed to prompt an immediate response or encourage an immediate sale. A CTA most often refers to the use of words or phrases that can be incorporated into sales scripts, advertising messages, or web pages, which compel an audience to act in a specific way.

(The sale being responses)
Ok I'm done responding!

Pay artists. That's an order.

(Joking. Before anyone says anything...)

 

[CountVanBadger]

Diary of a Wimpy Kid.

Diary of a Wimpy Kid works because it's deliberately trying to pass itself off as a diary written by an elementary school kid, and those are the kinds of drawings an elementary school kid would make. The important thing, though, is that while those pictures may no look good, per se, they also don't look bad.

I couldn't use that excuse with my book because it's doesn't have a fourth-wall-breaking joke baked into the premise like DOAWK. If I tried that pull that off with XNPC, I'd have a cover that looks like this...

Instead of this...

 

[L1aei]

Pay artists. That's an order.

(Joking. Before anyone says anything...)

Ob-obejction... question mark?

 

[TinaMigarlo]

still need to do it...well then grind your loins

sorry I'm a writer and images pop into my head, and they're vivid.
I realize you likely meant "gird your loins" but when you wrote it "grind your loins", well... I had a bizarre image of a workflow day in that professional studio. LMAO. lol, even.
Then before I could get my chuckles under control, I saw your avatar. Got that cute anime librarian thing going on. So now the image turned into the "librarian type" whipped the glasses off, messed her hair... and just started twerking up a storm like a hoe in a video. While all the other artists are working nice and quiet in their cubicle.

I, uh... annoyed the cat with my laughter.

 

[L1aei]

Diary of a Wimpy Kid works because it's deliberately trying to pass itself off as a diary written by an elementary school kid, and those are the kinds of drawings an elementary school kid would make. The important thing, though, is that while those pictures may no look good, per se, they also don't look bad.

I couldn't use that excuse with my book because it's doesn't have a fourth-wall-breaking joke baked into the premise like DOAWK. If I tried that pull that off with XNPC, I'd have a cover that looks like this...
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Instead of this...
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One thing I will say is that your first drawing there entertained me. I'm not saying the second one is not the superior drawing, but the first gave me something more than aesthetics. Good job.

 

[CountVanBadger]

I don't like your tone, pal!

And I don't like your pretentious, holier-than-thou "SPEND MORE MONEY ON MY FREE ENTERTAINMENT!!!" attitude, so we're even.

 

[L1aei]

I, uh... annoyed the cat with my laughter.

Serves you right for burning my nuts!

 

[Arkus86]

There you got your reason why he is not a pro despite having the skill. To be a Pro artists, professionalism is something you need, one cannot be always the artsy type that only works if you are the next pablo picasso.

As a pro like in every other business you do not get to choose your work all the time, nor the style you work in, no you take what your boss at the studio gives you and if necessary wring it and go on a research spree.

Because when they come with something that you have no idea of, any you still need to do it...well then grind your loins and expect to invest more time into research of what you are supposed to be drawing then actually drawing.

I would say one of the signs of being a pro, is that you can choose at least some of your customers. You already have a niche and there is enough demand for you that you can afford it.

Call to action (CTA) is a marketing term for any text designed to prompt an immediate response or encourage an immediate sale. A CTA most often refers to the use of words or phrases that can be incorporated into sales scripts, advertising messages, or web pages, which compel an audience to act in a specific way.

(The sale being responses)

Hypocrisy it is.

 

[TinaMigarlo]

Serves you right for burning my nuts!

I thought you liked it when someone toasts your nuts with a holy candle while reading relevant bible passages. You told me, in a tender moment, that's cause its how your mom (slightly religious) taught you not to do "the bad thing" in the bathroom.

"And a man's seed? Shall not strike the ground!"
*sizzle* *sizzle* *sizzle*
but you turned out okay, so your mom's work wasn't in vain.

(turning this thread towards humor? Is really the best thing for it, trust me)

 

[Alski]

I'm outta here.

Weird, i must be seeing your imposter.

 

[Little-Moon]

sorry I'm a writer and images pop into my head, and they're vivid.
I realize you likely meant "gird your loins" but when you wrote it "grind your loins", well... I had a bizarre image of a workflow day in that professional studio. LMAO. lol, even.
Then before I could get my chuckles under control, I saw your avatar. Got that cute anime librarian thing going on. So now the image turned into the "librarian type" whipped the glasses off, messed her hair... and just started twerking up a storm like a hoe in a video. While all the other artists are working nice and quiet in their cubicle.

I, uh... annoyed the cat with my laughter.

Damn one way to see it no one said the librarian cannot have a temper although please give me the credit. I would not do that in a studio, that is my workplace, but much rather do that at home.

I would say one of the signs of being a pro, is that you can choose at least some of your customers. You already have a niche and there is enough demand for you that you can afford it.

Sadly for most people, reality looks different, there are bills to pay.

 

[PancakesWitch]

I commission artists all the time but why would they pay if they havent commissioned anything.
By saying this you only are going to receive hateful responses because you're literally asking people that dont have any spare change to pay some random artists out of a sense of guilt? or something
Try to elaborate a little about the message you're trying to say instead of just screaming one thing and hoping people just obey.
You only come out as desperate and pathetic, which only makes you an easier target for bullying.
Now everything just devolved into religion/politics discourse, well done guys

 

[TinaMigarlo]

Weird, i must be seeing your imposter.

I prefer the term... doppleganger. Because first off, it sounds all pretentious and shit. But really, its because a young drew barrymore showed some *skin* in a c-grade sci-fi during her "drugs and alcohol" period before her big comeback. That movie? Was named "doppleganger".