Webtoon series are on the same level as fanfics.

[RepresentingWrath]

The Greatest Estate Developer

They have premises that have been broached before, but I find their art styles unique and interesting.

You do understand that, for example, GTO is 28 years old? Cause that's where you can see this 'unique' art style. 'Funny' faces are not unique and have been done to death. They are unique to people who only read webtoons that came out after 2018-2020.

 

[beast_regards]

This is what happens when the large corporations try to monetize the amateur web novels.

An inexperienced writer could still have unique ideas, even if the story sucks.

However, once the corporate authority steps in, the originality is gone because they are only interested in what their market research team tells them to sell, and are not interested in taking risk of unique, or original, plus have literally zero attachment to the subject. The CEO of Adidas doesn't wear the shoes his company manufactures, and the CEO of the South Korean media publisher doesn't read web novels.

So, the originality is gone.

Then add the situation where the desperate amateur writers try to be actual writers and succeed. Of course, they want to be accepted by the company who would pay them and being original is the unnecessary risk. Especially in South Korea.

 

[Jaredman92]

You do understand that, for example, GTO is 28 years old? Cause that's where you can see this 'unique' art style. 'Funny' faces are not unique and have been done to death. They are unique to people who only read webtoons that came out after 2018-2020.

That's simply a singularly element of the artstyle, though. As great as Great Teacher Onizuka was, an argument could be made against anything if you are looking at works beyond 5-10 years within the media.

The reason that I state 5-10 years, is that great shifts in artstyles and trends happen within those time periods. For a work to take inspiration from previous ideas and spin them in their own way, only adds to them, not detract. Otherwise, we risk being those people who simply state, 'The way things done before were better.'

 

[Tempokai]

Quality begets the need for quantity from the audience. The quantitative quality is impossible unless you have infinite amount of resources. Therefore, quantity begets lower quality, automation, and delegation, making the quantity that audience wanted. But, because audience wants quantative quality, they'll write posts like this because they want to bait the people with bringing up economics to it, knowing that it is impossible to achieve. Continue what you've been doing lol

 

[RepresentingWrath]

'The way things done before were better.'

Finally something I can agree with. Good job.

 

[Justhetip...]

• They use the same art style
  • There is exactly zero charm to them, zero originality; they come off from a conveyor belt in Korea. Every art looks the same, every character looks the same -or mimics the currently hot anime character of the time- and the smutty ones look exactly the same, and every one of their women is also the same looking blowup doll. Fucking disgrace.
• The stories are C-tier slop.
  • Story? Can't call them stories. They are worse than fanfic power fantasies because, most of the time, the MCs are beta cucks with extra inferiority complexes or wannabe chads with psychotic tendencies and heavy retardation on the side.
• Did I mention that they are unimaginative?
  • In both art and plot. They are just slop to scroll through fast, and the sites hosting them can promote ads at least four times before you reach the bottom. Trash.

People consuming them are branded.
People defending them are indoctrinated.
People like them have no taste.

Arguing against my points is useless because they are right.

I very much disagree with this. And your "arguing against my points is useless because they are right" just makes this opinion of yours redundant.

Yes, you're correct in what you said, no argument there, but the ending you made was as though you're trying to invalidate the existence of the actually good webtoons out there.

What you're even saying is something that's in the webnovel scenario too, only that it's worse in the Korean scene.

Like pancakes witch said, a lot of them were adapted from webnovels, so you have to blame the studios for the art, especially Redice, the folks responsible for Solo leveling.

As for actual plot, I disagree with you on that. A shit-ton of them are similar, but a lot of them do have their own unique premises and eventual twists.

And if you disregard popularity, there's actually a lot of unique manhwa that's being produced out there.

I somewhat agree with your point, but the last line peeved me.

 

[Corty]

Corty, this is the most brutally retarded thing

Wait until you read my other threads.

and eventual twists.

I have yet to read one that had an actual twist and not a face-palm-worthy one that everyone either saw a light-year from the start or just an asspull.

 

[John_Owl]

The only people who say this are those who either enjoy or write generic slop. There are billions of original stories, take Corty's fanfics for example. Yet people pretend like only slop, yet another Naruto fanfic where a futa fucks all the girls, exist.

haven't read any corty fics. But I'm referring more to the fact that any modern story, you can find and pinpoint an older story that shares the same premise, a similar world, character growth, and/or other aspects.

and not webnovels, but actual published novels, going back to the earliest levels of recorded myths and legends. originality being entirely, 100% not-inspired by or altered versions of something else. I proudly say that my writing is indeed inspired by other sources. why? Because it is. I've never lived in a vacuum devoid of external factors that could have some impact. I spent my entire summer when I was 14 reading any and every book I could get my hands on. I ended up reading over 36 books, from Xanth, Forgotten Realms, Tolkien, and other, smaller authors. everything has some impact on what is written by the individual that observed it.

 

[Justhetip...]

Wait until you read my other threads.


I have yet to read one that had an actual twist and not a face-palm-worthy one that everyone either saw a light-year from the start or just an asspull.

Murim, hunter and dungeons, regressions, possessions and reincarnations. These are the predominant genres in the Korean scene, but they aren't the only ones.

There's a lot of unique stuff on webtoon, most of them just aren't as popular as the fast-paced slop that the mindless audience is always craving, and the writers and artists have no choice to cater to.

We're the ones who complain when there's something generic, but we also tend to ignore when actual unique stuff comes out in place of what we're already familiar with.

 

[RepresentingWrath]

haven't read any corty fics. But I'm referring more to the fact that any modern story, you can find and pinpoint an older story that shares the same premise, a similar world, character growth, and/or other aspects.

and not webnovels, but actual published novels, going back to the earliest levels of recorded myths and legends. originality being entirely, 100% not-inspired by or altered versions of something else. I proudly say that my writing is indeed inspired by other sources. why? Because it is. I've never lived in a vacuum devoid of external factors that could have some impact. I spent my entire summer when I was 14 reading any and every book I could get my hands on. I ended up reading over 36 books, from Xanth, Forgotten Realms, Tolkien, and other, smaller authors. everything has some impact on what is written by the individual that observed it.

 

[RiceballWasTaken]

• They use the same art style
  • There is exactly zero charm to them, zero originality; they come off from a conveyor belt in Korea. Every art looks the same, every character looks the same -or mimics the currently hot anime character of the time- and the smutty ones look exactly the same, and every one of their women is also the same looking blowup doll. Fucking disgrace.
• The stories are C-tier slop.
  • Story? Can't call them stories. They are worse than fanfic power fantasies because, most of the time, the MCs are beta cucks with extra inferiority complexes or wannabe chads with psychotic tendencies and heavy retardation on the side.
• Did I mention that they are unimaginative?
  • In both art and plot. They are just slop to scroll through fast, and the sites hosting them can promote ads at least four times before you reach the bottom. Trash.

People consuming them are branded.
People defending them are indoctrinated.
People like them have no taste.

Arguing against my points is useless because they are right.

nah they are lower

 

[Corty]

Murim, hunter and dungeons, regressions, possessions and reincarnations. These are the predominant genres in the Korean scene, but they aren't the only ones.

There's a lot of unique stuff on webtoon, most of them just aren't as popular as the fast-paced slop that the mindless audience is always craving, and the writers and artists have no choice to cater to.

We're the ones who complain when there's something generic, but we also tend to ignore when actual unique stuff comes out in place of what we're already familiar with.

They are simply ruining their own reputation. The same way Japan ruined romance and ecchi novels by blue-balling everybody and introducing wimpy, dickless protags and open endings without letting the MC end up with a girl.

We had to suffer through 12 years at the minimum for some titles to appear where the protagonist wasn't going nosebleed faint-mode when seeing a girl's panties, and finally have a proper romance with the proper ending in these stories.

Webtoons are currently in that period where every one being released looks the same, reads the same, and slops the same. And if not, they won't get views. So, it is a self-propagating issue that the consumer slobs keep propping up.

 

[Valmond]

Murim, hunter and dungeons, regressions, possessions and reincarnations. These are the predominant genres in the Korean scene, but they aren't the only ones.

There's a lot of unique stuff on webtoon, most of them just aren't as popular as the fast-paced slop that the mindless audience is always craving, and the writers and artists have no choice to cater to.

We're the ones who complain when there's something generic, but we also tend to ignore when actual unique stuff comes out in place of what we're already familiar with.

This happens everywhere. Familiarity is what sells, and given human nature to seek safety versus exploration.

You can say things stagnate a lot. When something becomes popular, that is then done to death.

There are many factors that influences this, but it can’t be entirely predicted.

You can take games for instance, countless rehash the same thing over and over again. Though, very few you will find one of a kind.

Meaning, you will never find another similar to it. Even when people claim similar, it really isn’t.

Bottom line is though, familiarity sells, and stepping out of that line is an uncertain risk.

While reasonably, the goal should be to set trends. The opposite mostly happens.

 

[ElijahRyne]

• They use the same art style
  • There is exactly zero charm to them, zero originality; they come off from a conveyor belt in Korea. Every art looks the same, every character looks the same -or mimics the currently hot anime character of the time- and the smutty ones look exactly the same, and every one of their women is also the same looking blowup doll. Fucking disgrace.
• The stories are C-tier slop.
  • Story? Can't call them stories. They are worse than fanfic power fantasies because, most of the time, the MCs are beta cucks with extra inferiority complexes or wannabe chads with psychotic tendencies and heavy retardation on the side.
• Did I mention that they are unimaginative?
  • In both art and plot. They are just slop to scroll through fast, and the sites hosting them can promote ads at least four times before you reach the bottom. Trash.

People consuming them are branded.
People defending them are indoctrinated.
People like them have no taste.

Arguing against my points is useless because they are right.

It has been 6+ years since I last read one, have they already fallen so far..?

 

[RepresentingCaution]

Yes.

You are correct, there are Corty's fanfics, they are good. The rest is garbage.

Especially mine. Mine is the most garbage of all!

 

[RepresentingWrath]

Especially mine. Mine is the most garbage of all!

That's why it deserves a 5 star rating!

 

[John_Owl]

I can back it up. Harry Potter is original, yes? Even though you have nazgul sucking happiness from people. You've got The One fighting against the Dark Lord.

Elements of LotR. Star Wars is basically just the bible. LotR, you can see elements of christianity in it - heaven, hell, a journey through hell to earn the right to go to heaven... Sounds a lot like Dante's Divine Comedy - a guy goes through hell (mordor) to get to heaven (the undying lands). any story told, you can find an older story that, at the very least, resembles the new one. That's not to say the new one isn't good - or possibly even better.

I never said it was bad. I just said that no human can exist in a vacuum, and it's ignorant to think that anything is 100% original when inspiration can be traced in the smallest details.

 

[Deleted member 120990]

Cooking cat is illegal in some places

 

[expentio]

Let's be honest, in truth, we all want that rather the Xth otome-something with the same plot we can predict down to the color of the dress in the fourth banquet event, we want them to animate our stuff!

At least I would! (My Eldritch school setting might do well, but rather I'd see my Slime Girl story)

 

[RepresentingWrath]

Cooking cat is illegal in some places

cooking bat is legal in some places