Isekai definition change.

[Fried_Chicken]

Currently the definition is vague, when the crux of what is expected form an isekai is for the story to be told from the lense of someone form our earth or one functionally identical.

Currently, shows such as Stargate and Star Trek would qualify as isekai when its not what anyone expects from an isekai.

Furthermore, lately the fanfiction isekai genre has been inundated with amnesia-isekai stories that don't offer what is expected from an isekai story. They take a cheap way and start with a blank slate that is nearly identical to the farm boy trope.

I suggest using the reincarnation tag for when a person is given another life without their sense of self contained within those lost memories.

Otherworldly knowledge can be useful for when some memories are retained but most lost.

Portal fantasy can used for when the Mc has the ability to world hop back and forth to earth like say in the Gate series.

This leaves the isekai tag solely for when the Mc is placed in another world with their sense of self intact.without the ability to return home af all, or return home easily.

Tldr: The isekai tag is almost useless Currently and rendered moot when paired with the amnesia trope. Let's make the category much more concise.
For those who disagree please comment why.

 

[Fried_Chicken]

Isekai isn't necessary philosophical, you are throwing basically an alien into another world, think Superman, externally he look no different from a human but biological very much different.

That's the same universe, just a different planet. Why are you contradicting yourself now? I though it was argued that "world" meant a new dimension. And the other planets in the same universe aren't isekai? Or is stargate an isekai again?

Ah yes, me, bad author, maybe, but at least I enjoy and stick with my story. My moto is always write for the fun of it.
And snowflake? Really? Aren't you projecting?

Nope I wish. The trans activists really hate me lol. Everyone hates the uncomfortable truth, its why I'm getting so much hate now. People love to hate. Just like how you'll get more negative comments than positive more often than not.

Cap.

You are retarded.

Wdym? Tony had to delete fake accounts that spammed reviewed me over a dozen times, not just once but twice. I still have a few one stars on all My novels that never got removed. People get butthurt. Much like the crowd here.

If this was a reasonable crowd it would have ended with, we agree to disagree that removing memories creates a new being.

That would have been the end of it, an impasse that is theological in nature.

But the haters came out like flies to shit.

 

[Rhaps]

That's the same universe, just a different planet. Why are you contradicting yourself now? I though it was argued that "world" meant a new dimension. And the other planets in the same universe aren't isekai? Or is stargate an isekai again?

Yeah, Superman was a bad example with your dense head. So I'm using Ultraman, specifically Ultraman Zero, as an example, he can isekai himself into parrallel dimensions/universe. He can take the form of a human. On the outside he look the same as a human but his biology is a species made out of light, very much different.

 

[Fried_Chicken]

Yeah, Superman was a bad example with your dense head. So I'm using Ultraman, specifically Ultraman Zero, as an example, he can isekai himself into parrallel dimensions/universe. He can take the form of a human. On the outside he look the same as a human but his biology is a species made out of light, very much different.

Thats portal fantasy if he has that ability. I thought it was earlier argued by the mob that being trapped or having a minimal level of difficultt in returning home was a key component?

And what does all of this have to do with the concept of amnesia creating a new being and that being a disqualifying condition for isekai?

 

[Deleted member 84247]

This thing continued for 6 pages?

 

[Fried_Chicken]

Yeah, Superman was a bad example with your dense head. So I'm using Ultraman, specifically Ultraman Zero, as an example, he can isekai himself into parrallel dimensions/universe. He can take the form of a human. On the outside he look the same as a human but his biology is a species made out of light, very much different.

Thats portal fantasy if he has that ability. I thought it was earlier argued by the mob that being trapped or having a minimal level of difficultt in returning home was a key component?

And what does all of this have to do with the concept of amnesia creating a new being and that being a disqualifying condition for isekai? Yo

This thing continued for 6 pages?

Haters gonna hate.

 

[Deleted member 84247]

You all could have written a story or something. With how many words are in this thread you'd already have like 3 chapters of an amnesia, Star Trek, Isekai, fanfiction.

 

[Rhaps]

You all could have written a story or something. With how many words are in this thread you'd already have like 3 chapters of an amnesia, Star Trek, Isekai, fanfiction.

I am procrasinating, shhh...

 

[Corty]

If this was a reasonable crowd it would have ended with, we agree to disagree that removing memories creates a new being.

Let me recap your reasonable responses to others:

You say that, and but change the definition of world to mean reality. That argument holds no water.

Currently the definition is "another world" not another reality. Based an your own argument you agree with me that it needs to be changed.

Second that last paragraph makes no sense. Whatever you expect from isekai can be found in the fantasy genre. It can have crossover, but isekai isn't always fantasy. Nothing in the definition says as much.

Run away when you lose I see. At the very least reply to my last reply.

From the language I can't tell you likely have bots or multiple accounts. The votes mean nothing especially online when Asian countries are concerned. There is a certain one with a distinct lack of morals.

Sounds exactly like someone who thinks votes online matter in deciding an argument.

And my absolute favorite of your batshit insane takes:

Democracies always failed due to the tyranny of the majority. That same tyranny of the majority lead to slavery and nazis killing jews. That is not a positive. Galileo's story proves as much.

The last one is why I am confident in saying that you are retarded.

 

[Fried_Chicken]

You all could have written a story or something. With how many words are in this thread you'd already have like 3 chapters of an amnesia, Star Trek, Isekai, fanfiction.

They all said star trek isn't isekai. And while I agree, the current definition taken literally doesn't.

Let me recap your reasonable responses to others:










And my absolute favorite of your batshit insane takes:


The last one is why I am confident in saying that you are retarded.

Mob mentality is very real. Have you never wondered how such horrible things came to pass? The majority allowed it, they were the perpetrators.

 

[Deleted member 84247]

I'm too retarded to debate. I just wanted a participation trophy and maybe a few laughs.

 

[Hans.Trondheim]

This thing continued for 6 pages?

The very definition of insanity.

 

[Corty]

Mob mentality is very real. Have you never wondered how such horrible things came to pass? The majority allowed it, they were the perpetrators.

Sir, this is a webnovel forum, not a Wendy.

 

[Fried_Chicken]

Sir, this is a webnovel forum, not a Wendy.

It's MA'AM!!!

The trans activists are really going to hate me now.

 

[Rhaps]

Let me recap your reasonable responses to others:










And my absolute favorite of your batshit insane takes:


The last one is why I am confident in saying that you are retarded.

It's hard to win an argument with a smart person. It's damn near impossible to win an argument with a stupid person.

 

[Tempokai]

I'll dip my toe in this and promptly go to the 12 hour shift today.

I’ve Been Reincarnated, So I’m Going to Try Trading With Earth by Myself. -TS Magical Girl and Game Loving Adventure Story- - Novel Updates

www.novelupdates.com

This is the webnovel is a crux of this argument. Yes, it's reincarnated to different planet. Yes, it returns back to the Earth. Is it isekai? Hell no. Because gigachad TL said so. And I trust that gigachad and author who wrote it. Go fuck yourself and maybe don't be a rhetorical dumbass.

 

[Deleted member 41774]

I like Fwiewen and Dungeon Meshi. They are great native isekai uwu

 

[Fried_Chicken]

This feel like a version of Theseus' ship, whereas the ship don't change but the captain change. Is it still the same ship? Yes, to the very soul and body, but is the one driving it the same? No.

Changing one component doesn't make it the an entirely different thing, the crew in this sense is muscle memory, different orders same action.

In the end it is still a being sent to another dimension, the very core of isekai. Memory or not, it is the same as sending someone to another world.

The driver is the key component of the isekai genre not the ship or soul those are irrelevant. And the ship is usually changed as well.

 

[Rhaps]

The driver is the key component of the isekai genre not the ship or soul those are irrelevant. And the ship is usually changed as well.

But thats the key component.

 

[Fried_Chicken]

It's hard to win an argument with a smart person. It's damn near impossible to win an argument with a stupid person.

There isn't a "win" to be had really. It comes down to if you believe memories make the man. I do, and require all to be intact from one world to another.

If you disagree that's fine, and that's all you can do.

But thats the key component.

My friends and I can't keep passing the phone around, it's getting tiring. And Corty isn't giving us sentences for shot and longer. Come'on back Corty!

 

[Rhaps]

There isn't a "win" to be had really. It comes down to if you believe memories make the man. I do, and require all to be intact from one world to another.

If you disagree that's fine, and that's all you can do.

Then why did you have to be such a bad sport about all of this?