Isekai definition change.

[Fried_Chicken]

Currently the definition is vague, when the crux of what is expected form an isekai is for the story to be told from the lense of someone form our earth or one functionally identical.

Currently, shows such as Stargate and Star Trek would qualify as isekai when its not what anyone expects from an isekai.

Furthermore, lately the fanfiction isekai genre has been inundated with amnesia-isekai stories that don't offer what is expected from an isekai story. They take a cheap way and start with a blank slate that is nearly identical to the farm boy trope.

I suggest using the reincarnation tag for when a person is given another life without their sense of self contained within those lost memories.

Otherworldly knowledge can be useful for when some memories are retained but most lost.

Portal fantasy can used for when the Mc has the ability to world hop back and forth to earth like say in the Gate series.

This leaves the isekai tag solely for when the Mc is placed in another world with their sense of self intact.without the ability to return home af all, or return home easily.

Tldr: The isekai tag is almost useless Currently and rendered moot when paired with the amnesia trope. Let's make the category much more concise.
For those who disagree please comment why.

 

[Rhaps]

The point is they aren't the same person from their ending on one world to their life in the next. Without that, it's not the same person and not isekai. I work with the elderly with alzhiemers, and I can guarantee that they aren't the same person from moment to moment. They change based on the memories they have access to.

From my perspective, the focal point of many isekai is the knowledge gap, it isn't always the alien nature of another world, the amensia is just a plot device.

 

[Fried_Chicken]

From my perspective, the focal point of many isekai is the knowledge gap, it isn't always the alien nature of another world, the amensia is just a plot device.

A plot device that kills the isekaied person via personality death. Which defeats the entire purpose of the isekai genre. You can't be isekaied if your sense of self is deleted or repressed. Not only does a foreign personality develop but when memories are regained it doesn't bring the isekaied individual back to life. Neither is the story shown through the proper lense without those memories.

From my perspective, the focal point of many isekai is the knowledge gap, it isn't always the alien nature of another world, the amensia is just a plot device.

Let me ask you. What the difference between the farm boy start, where he gets amnesia, and the isekaied with amnesia? There is no functional difference. This is why amnesia with isekai stories are redundant.

 

[Corty]

Let me ask you. What the difference between the farm boy start, where he gets amnesia, and the isekaied with amnesia? There is no functional difference. This is why amnesia with isekai stories are redundant

That in the isekai amnesia farm boy may try to grow 10 feet tall lion turnips that roar at dawn. Or use a steel-skinned oxen to plow the fields. Its isekai, both of those are plausible.


Are you retarded or just pretending?

 

[Fried_Chicken]

That in the isekai amnesia farm boy may try to grow 10 feet tall lion turnips that roar at dawn. Or use a steel-skinned oxen to plow the fields. Its isekai, both of those are plausible.


Are you retarded or just pretending?

Says the reply that doesn't wven have the balls to give me an honest answer because they know I'm correct. Functionally they are both the same because the reader experiences the world the same. In this comparison the isekai genre adds nothing, and that's the reason why amnesia and isekai simply don't work together.

 

[Corty]

ays the reply that doesn't wven have the balls to give me an honest answer because they know I'm correct. Functionally they are both the same because the reader experiences the world the same. In this comparison the isekai genre adds nothing, and that's the reason why amnesia and isekai simply don't work together.

You need to include some extra nutrients besides only eating glue. It had totally bogged down your brain and made you unable to move forward from the starting point of your idea. I just gave you the answer but your are so lost in your own forest you can't see the trees.

Reading through this four pages and your replies, any chance at convincing me was lost on the first page because of your apparent superiority complex inherited from too much twitter and Reddit browsing.

On the other hand, it was a great laugh reading your replies. Please don't stop.

 

[Fried_Chicken]

You need to include some extra nutrients besides only eating glue. It had totally bogged down your brain and made you unable to move forward from the starting point of your idea. I just gave you the answer but your are so lost in your own forest you can't see the trees.

Reading through this four pages and your replies, any chance at convincing me was lost on the first page because of your apparent superiority complex inherited from too much twitter and Reddit browsing.

On the other hand, it was a great laugh reading your replies. Please don't stop.

You haven't added anything at all. All you did was reply to a comment not even meant for you at all. While giving a non Answer.

Its like you can't even realize that if a farm boy has amnesia he isn't a farm boy anymore. That's a special kind of stupid.

You need to include some extra nutrients besides only eating glue. It had totally bogged down your brain and made you unable to move forward from the starting point of your idea. I just gave you the answer but your are so lost in your own forest you can't see the trees.

Reading through this four pages and your replies, any chance at convincing me was lost on the first page because of your apparent superiority complex inherited from too much twitter and Reddit browsing.

On the other hand, it was a great laugh reading your replies. Please don't stop.

Oh and insults. That's a thing for when you have no good arguments. Considering you started with insults I assume you have nothing constructive to add?

 

[Corty]

ts like you can't even realize that if a farm boy has amnesia he isn't a farm boy anymore. That's a special kind of stupid

I’ll entertain myself here because it gets a reaction from you, and it amuses me.

Why can't he reincarnate as a farmer? Okay, then he doesn't. Whatever he may be here is why it is meant to be isekai:

It contrasts our world with the new world, and it is up to the writer to make that contrast flavorful.

The issue lies with not a definition change my glue-eating friend, but with the fact you read trash novels with no effort put into them.

You want to change something millions of people use and understand just because you had a bad experience and thought you could reform it and do better.

Go, get into the academics and rewrite the dictionary instead of dying on an anthill.

 

[Anonjohn20]

A plot device that kills the isekaied person via personality death. Which defeats the entire purpose of the isekai genre. You can't be isekaied if your sense of self is deleted or repressed. Not only does a foreign personality develop but when memories are regained it doesn't bring the isekaied individual back to life. Neither is the story shown through the proper lense without those memories.

Let me ask you. What the difference between the farm boy start, where he gets amnesia, and the isekaied with amnesia? There is no functional difference. This is why amnesia with isekai stories are redundant.

Sure, a badly written Isekai story can have pointless and redundant plot points, but it's still an Isekai. Just because a character has amnesia doesn't mean that it's not that genre.

 

[greyblob]

Let me ask you. What the difference between the farm boy start, where he gets amnesia, and the isekaied with amnesia? There is no functional difference. This is why amnesia with isekai stories are redundant.

I have seen very few novels with the isekai'd mc having amnesia. they're always pretending. the common trope is the pretending not actually having it.

 

[Fried_Chicken]

I’ll entertain myself here because it gets a reaction from you, and it amuses me.

Why can't he reincarnate as a farmer? Okay, then he doesn't. Whatever he may be here is why it is meant to be isekai:

It contrasts our world with the new world, and it is up to the writer to make that contrast flavorful.

The issue lies with not a definition change my glue-eating friend, but with the fact you read trash novels with no effort put into them.

You want to change something millions of people use and understand just because you had a bad experience and thought you could reform it and do better.

Go, get into the academics and rewrite the dictionary instead of dying on an anthill.

I didn't say anything about reincarnation as a farmer. Go reread whatever you think you read.

Sure, a badly written Isekai story can have pointless and redundant plot points, but it's still an Isekai. Just because a character has amnesia doesn't mean that it's not that genre.

It does because amnesia is personality death of the first entity to make room for the second. If the first never exists in the new world how is it isekai?

If my mind was wipped and my body while still alive and unconscious was tossed into another world, it's not me who is waking up and experiencing the new world. Thus it's not an isekai. It's that simple.

I have seen very few novels with the isekai'd mc having amnesia. they're always pretending. the common trope is the pretending not actually having it.

It's used to Create a blank slate while hopping on the bandwagon of isekai at the same time. They can tag it as isekai, but have an excuse to start with a blank slate. A blank slate that never existed in any prior world. Thus it shouldn't be considered isekai.

 

[Corty]

I didn't say anything about reincarnation as a farmer. Go reread whatever you think you read.

So you didn't read what I wrote.

Does this count as my “win” if we follow your previous logic and answers to others? Sorry, I’m just a petty person and wants to know.

 

[Fried_Chicken]

So you didn't read what I wrote.

Does this count as my “win” if we follow your previous logic and answers to others? Sorry, I’m just a petty person and wants to know.

??? you do realize that you are simply making yourself look like a fool at worst or troll at a best by not replying in good faith correct? Wait, are you a butthurt amnesia-Kai author?

 

[Rhaps]

Just for the record, amensia and Alzheimer are different things, what you have been rambling about with ego loss have very little to do with either of them, one is confusion the other is regression of the mind, ego loss is neither of those. Your argument doesn't account for muscle memory, that is a completely physical thing, the mind won't remember but the body always does.

 

[Corty]

??? you do realize that you are simply making yourself look like a fool at worst or troll at a best by not replying in good faith correct? Wait, are you a butthurt amnesia-Kai author?

Sure.

So. You didn't read my comment, did you? Or you have no point to say to it? Did I win? As I said, I’m petty.

 

[Fried_Chicken]

Just for the record, amensia and Alzheimer are different things, what you have been rambling about with ego loss have very little to do with either of them, one is confusion the other is regression of the mind, ego loss is neither of those. Your argument doesn't account for muscle memory, that is a completely physical thing, the mind won't remember but the body always does.

Sense of self is a culmination of all memories naturally ratianed through life. Something as simple as forgetting your name can lead to making decisions you wouldn't normally which proves that your are not the same person. Thus if you lose any memories for any real length of time you are not the same person. If this happens during the isekai, it means nobody was isekaied. You must be the same person on both ends of the isekai tunnel to have been isekaied.

Sure.

So. You didn't read my comment, did you? Or you have no point to say to it? Did I win? As I said, I’m petty.

I'll read yours when you reply to something I actually wrote and don't make stuff up.

Just for the record, amensia and Alzheimer are different things, what you have been rambling about with ego loss have very little to do with either of them, one is confusion the other is regression of the mind, ego loss is neither of those. Your argument doesn't account for muscle memory, that is a completely physical thing, the mind won't remember but the body always does.

The body isn't the person. The body doesn't make an isekai an isekai, especially when it's usually lost anyways.

 

[Rhaps]

Sense of self is a culmination of all memories naturally ratianed through life. Something as simple as forgetting your name can lead to making decisions you wouldn't normally which proves that your are not the same person. Thus if you lose any memories for any real length of time you are not the same person. If this happens during the isekai, it means nobody was isekaied. You must be the same person on both ends of the isekai tunnel to have been isekaied.

This feel like a version of Theseus' ship, whereas the ship don't change but the captain change. Is it still the same ship? Yes, to the very soul and body, but is the one driving it the same? No.

Changing one component doesn't make it the an entirely different thing, the crew in this sense is muscle memory, different orders same action.

In the end it is still a being sent to another dimension, the very core of isekai. Memory or not, it is the same as sending someone to another world.

 

[Fried_Chicken]

I have seen very few novels with the isekai'd mc having amnesia. they're always pretending. the common trope is the pretending not actually having it.

You avoided my question. Please explain the difference from the readers perspective.

This feel like a version of Theseus' ship, whereas the ship don't change but the captain change. Is it still the same ship? Yes, to the very soul and body, but is the one driving it the same? No.

Changing one component doesn't make it the an entirely different thing, the crew in this sense is muscle memory, different orders same action.

In the end it is still a being sent to another dimension, the very core of isekai. Memory or not, it is the same as sending someone to another world.

No it isn't because ANOTHER world requires there to have been a previous. Without the prior world its not ANOTHER. You know, the first half the definition of isekai?

This feel like a version of Theseus' ship, whereas the ship don't change but the captain change. Is it still the same ship? Yes, to the very soul and body, but is the one driving it the same? No.

Changing one component doesn't make it the an entirely different thing, the crew in this sense is muscle memory, different orders same action.

In the end it is still a being sent to another dimension, the very core of isekai. Memory or not, it is the same as sending someone to another world.

Furthermore it doesn't have to be completely different to be different. Small differences are enough for different decisions to be made. Those different actions prove they aren't the same person.

 

[Corty]

I'll read yours when you reply to something I actually wrote and don't make stuff up.

Then I won. Wohooo!

PS: If you had read my reply, you would know I had already given you an answer.

Now I get why you are this fixated on changing things. You don't understand what you read, do you? If you had read past the 2nd sentence, you would have realized I had already answered you.

Tl;dr

It comes down to your having a reading comprehension issue. I am genuinely sorry that I called you a retard; I didn't know you really had issues with reading; I thought you were just a stuck-up dense idiot.

 

[Fried_Chicken]

Then I won. Wohooo!

PS: If you had read my reply, you would know I had already given you an answer.

Now I get why you are this fixated on changing things. You don't understand what you read, do you? If you had read past the 2nd sentence, you would have realized I had already answered you.

Tl;dr

It comes down to your having a reading comprehension issue. I am genuinely sorry that I called you a retard; I didn't know you really had issues with reading; I thought you were just a stuck-up dense idiot.

Uh huh sure whatever, I'm honestly not reading anything you post just taking shots with my buddies to see how long you rant for. Keep going please.

 

[Corty]

Uh huh sure whatever, I'm honestly not reading anything you post just taking shots with my buddies to see how long you rant for. Keep going please.

The voices in your head can't interact with physical matter. Or are you isekaid, and the previous owner of your body is in there somewhere?