Isekai definition change.

[Fried_Chicken]

Currently the definition is vague, when the crux of what is expected form an isekai is for the story to be told from the lense of someone form our earth or one functionally identical.

Currently, shows such as Stargate and Star Trek would qualify as isekai when its not what anyone expects from an isekai.

Furthermore, lately the fanfiction isekai genre has been inundated with amnesia-isekai stories that don't offer what is expected from an isekai story. They take a cheap way and start with a blank slate that is nearly identical to the farm boy trope.

I suggest using the reincarnation tag for when a person is given another life without their sense of self contained within those lost memories.

Otherworldly knowledge can be useful for when some memories are retained but most lost.

Portal fantasy can used for when the Mc has the ability to world hop back and forth to earth like say in the Gate series.

This leaves the isekai tag solely for when the Mc is placed in another world with their sense of self intact.without the ability to return home af all, or return home easily.

Tldr: The isekai tag is almost useless Currently and rendered moot when paired with the amnesia trope. Let's make the category much more concise.
For those who disagree please comment why.

 

[Fried_Chicken]

Isekai => another universe.
Star Trek/Stargate => another world/planet.

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Now I don't want to argue about its exact definition, because I believe no one is really an authority when it comes to the exact meaning of this genre. If you think I'm wrong, yeah sure, I agree with you. Internet is democratic, anyway.

Since when does isekai translate to another universe? And also they go to other universes multiple times in both Stargate and star trek.

Since when does isekai translate to another universe? And also they go to other universes multiple times in both Stargate and star trek.

Democracies always failed due to the tyranny of the majority. That same tyranny of the majority lead to slavery and nazis killing jews. That is not a positive. Galileo's story proves as much.

 

[RepresentingPride]

Democracies always failed due to the tyranny of the majority. That same tyranny of the majority lead to slavery and nazis killing jews. That is not a positive. Galileo's story proves as much.

Did you really use slavery and the nazis as a comparison for people not viewing Isekai like you and having a different interpretation of it and its meaning?

 

[Fried_Chicken]

Did you really use slavery and the nazis as a comparison for people not viewing Isekai like you and having a different interpretation of it and its meaning?

I'm using those as examples of the majority rule not being worth anything. It's actually very dangerous and has lead to innumerable deaths that easily illustrate that it's worthless as a metric.

 

[Anonjohn20]

Since when does isekai translate to another universe?

Since always, as three people have already pointed out to you.

they go to other universes multiple times in both Stargate and star trek.

But they are not trapped or stuck in that universe, they simply travelled there. Its why I liked your idea of making a genre for people who can continue travelling between worlds. You called it protal isekai, the genre doesn't exist yet but it could in the future.

Democracies always failed due to the tyranny of the majority. That same tyranny of the majority lead to slavery and nazis killing jews. That is not a positive. Galileo's story proves as much.

Why are you talking and responding to yourself? You've done this multiple times in this thread.

Did you really use slavery and the nazis as a comparison for people not viewing Isekai like you and having a different interpretation of it and its meaning?

People disagreeing with him, oppresses him. In his mind his logic is as sound as Galileo's logic

 

[Fried_Chicken]

I'm not expanding anything, I just gave you the real meaning of Isekai as a genre. By your definition, a story like "The Other World's Wizard Does Not Chant" would not be an Isekai when it actually is.


Again, you are trying to redefine already-established genres. Its not a reverse Isekai when someone from a different world ends up on Earth, Its a reverse Isekai when a person manages to travel back to the world they were originally from.

"Elf-San Wa Yaserarenai", "The devil is a part timer", and "Miss Kobayashi’s Dragon Maid" are not reverse Isekai; they're just Isekai. "Isekai Ojisan" is a reverse Isekai.

That would make any isekai where they eventually return reverse isekai then. What's that one where the mc falls in the dungeon and transmutes stuff? Shoves the rod up the dragons booty and get with the rabbit girl. He eventually goes home and the story continues. I don't remember that ever being a reverse isekai.

 

[Hans.Trondheim]

Since when does isekai translate to another universe? And also they go to other universes multiple times in both Stargate and star trek.

Democracies always failed due to the tyranny of the majority. That same tyranny of the majority lead to slavery and nazis killing jews. That is not a positive. Galileo's story proves as much.

 

[Anonjohn20]

That would make any isekai where they eventually return reverse isekai then.

Yes. I don't know which story you mean, but if they returned to the MC's original world, then it has a reverse Isekai element.

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For some reason, I can't see the pic unless I reply to it.

 

[Hans.Trondheim]

For some reason, I can't see the pic unless I reply to it.

Just SS'ed and paste it. Prolly that's why you can't see it.

 

[Fried_Chicken]

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Such an insightful reply. Glad to see that since stargate and star trek now meet your definition of isekai, that you can see how ridiculous it is.

 

[Hans.Trondheim]

Such an insightful reply. Glad to see that since stargate and star trek now meet your definition of isekai, that you can see how ridiculous it is.

Aye. Now don't forget to take your meds, man.

 

[Fried_Chicken]

Aye. Now don't forget to take your meds, man.

The words of loser changing the subject.

 

[Hans.Trondheim]

The words of loser changing the subject.

Also...

 

[Anonjohn20]

Such an insightful reply. Glad to see that since stargate and star trek now meet your definition of isekai, that you can see how ridiculous it is.

The words of loser changing the subject.

At no point, was his reaction image a concession of defeat. You definitely appear crazy, which is why he's telling you to take your meds.

 

[Piisfun]

It doesn't matter if the definition is changed or not; at the end of the day, authors are the ones tagging their series.
The fundamental problem is that some of them misuse the tags; changing the definition will not fix that.

 

[Fried_Chicken]

At no point, was his reaction image a concession of defeat. You definitely appear crazy, which is why he's telling you to take your meds.

Now it's more personal insults? Definitely loser mentality. They even went through the effort of making memes because they can't handle the debate. That's not just loser mentality, but sore loser mentality.

 

[Hans.Trondheim]

It doesn't matter if the definition is changed or not; at the end of the day, authors are the ones tagging their series.
The fundamental problem is that some of them misuse the tags; changing the definition will not fix that.

And even when explained and fully defined, they would still do it.

 

[AnonUnlimited]

Could you make this into a poll?

 

[Hans.Trondheim]

Now it's more personal insults? Definitely loser mentality. They even went through the effort of making memes because they can't handle the debate. That's not just loser mentality, but sore loser mentality.

"LoZeR mEnTaLiTy"

Could you make this into a poll?

It's being voted right now though, standing at -10 points.

 

[Piisfun]

And even when explained and fully defined, they would still do it.

Or, more accurately, fail to check the definitions at all.

Most people don't bother to read the definitions, or FAQ pages.
Same reason why reviews are almost useless here on SH: if they are even slightly out of the way, people don't bother to check them.

 

[AnonUnlimited]

"LoZeR mEnTaLiTy"



It's being voted right now though, standing at -10 points.

I forgot which forum this was in lol.