Why use AI to write your "book"?

[SurfAngel_1031]

The age of slop is upon us.

Thank god for the classics.

Speaking of. The Count of Monte Cristo is amazing.

Some people aren’t writers, they’re directors.

A narrative director in a game or a movie director doesn’t personally write every line or scene, but they’re still crucial to shaping a coherent story. Their job is to guide the emotional arc, the themes, the tone. They have to trust the specialists to help realise their vision.

Writing with AI, for some, works the same way. They're acting like directors.

Sure, some directors are also writers. They create key scenes, style guides, casting scripts. Others just focus on the feeling they want to convey and trust their team to bring it to life.

Think about the movie Gladiator. You probably think of Russell Crowe, or Ridley Scott. But how many people think of John Logan or William Nicholson, the two co-writers / screenwriters with David Franzoni?

I don't think people using AI really feel like writers. I think they are trying to be the director.

Which makes sense, because the industry sensationalise that role, and obfuscate the authors.

This is certainly one way to look at it.
Using this as a standard, then it comes down to only intent.
I'm glad you answered the question. Thanks.

 

[Daydreamers]

Those checkers are a load of bullshit, honestly. Never work, easy to confuse.
It's much easier to look by just using your eyes. Even "properly trained" AI will be easily distinguished from human writer if you know what to look at.

I think the reason for that is they are trying so hard to detect heavily edited AI content that they can't tell the difference anymore

 

[FieryLou]

I think the reason for that is they are trying so hard to detect heavily edited AI content that they can't tell the difference anymore

They are biased. Friendly fire?

 

[beast_regards]

You don't use "AI" to publish the book.

Actual publishing is done by the actual publishing houses (duh, they are called this way because they publish, who would know)

In order to be an officially published author, you have to pass through the review process done by the editors. Those editors are real, living people.

(you may argue that their LinkedIn rotted brains make them zombies, but well, still, they are still people, not some computer from the sci-fi movie)

There is no "AI" involved in this. Not only that actual AI doesn't exist, the would-be "AI" is also not employed by the publishers, it's more of the domain of Amazon, Google, or other tech giants)

Posting here is not publishing, it's still posting.

The "AI slop" you complain about is usually also written by the actual living person, usually someone from China, India, Japan or Korea, virtually unknown by the "western world". Usually, their works end up stolen, machine translated and subsequently posted here on the Scribble Hub, no "AI" involved. The dumb script to copy-paste work isn't by any means an AI.

It's just that the Scribble Hub, the pet project run by the single person, doesn't have a moderator capacity to root this out, and is being turned by the aggregator site against their will.

Yes, it is a problem. But no, there is no "AI" involved.

 

[SurfAngel_1031]

I think the reason for that is they are trying so hard to detect heavily edited AI content that they can't tell the difference anymore

It's also the concept that there's so much AI out there, that before human eyes can figure out if a story is AI, there are 20 more.

It's like catching speeders without radar. At some point the site will have to trust something.

 

[Alski]

The old era of pirates is about to end, and the next one shall start soon -- no it already started! The era of AI is here!

The pirates are just shifting their goals. No longer will they steal your work and not pay you, now they are opening a rival store right across the street to steal your money instead.

 

[FieryLou]

The pirates are just shifting their goals. No longer will they steal your work and not pay you, now they are opening a rival store right across the street to steal your money instead.

cough novelbin cough

 

[SurfAngel_1031]

You don't use "AI" to publish the book.

Actual publishing is done by the actual publishing houses (duh, they are called this way because they publish, who would know)

In order to be an officially published author, you have to pass through the review process done by the editors. Those editors are real, living people.

(you may argue that their LinkedIn rotted brains make them zombies, but well, still, they are still people, not some computer from the sci-fi movie)

There is no "AI" involved in this. Not only that actual AI doesn't exist, the would-be "AI" is also not employed by the publishers, it's more of the domain of Amazon, Google, or other tech giants)

Posting here is not publishing, it's still posting.

The "AI slop" you complain about is usually also written by the actual living person, usually someone from China, India, Japan or Korea, virtually unknown by the "western world". Usually, their works end up stolen, machine translated and subsequently posted here on the Scribble Hub, no "AI" involved. The dumb script to copy-paste work isn't by any means an AI.

It's just that the Scribble Hub, the pet project run by the single person, doesn't have a moderator capacity to root this out, and is being turned by the aggregator site against their will.

Yes, it is a problem. But no, there is no "AI" involved.

I'm not real sure that I'm willing to split hairs on the concept of what is and isn't publishing.

My question was more a reflection on reasons to use it. Which thanks to the responses, I'm getting a more rounded look at the topic.

 

[Daydreamers]

Yes, it is a problem. But no, there is no "AI" involved.

There is a difference between "technicality" and "AI" as we know it, it might not be an entity but sure as hell, it is as far as—ideas/abilities—go;

 

[beast_regards]

I'm not real sure that I'm willing to split hairs on the concept of what is and isn't publishing.

My question was more a reflection on reasons to use it. Which thanks to the responses, I'm getting a more rounded look at the topic.

Many people are upset about the "AI".

I would think of it this way...

Is your novel written by the "AI"?

Judging from the tone of your post, I assume it is not, and you are very proud of your creation.

Which is fair, the many artists are proud of the works which they created.

However, as we speak, your novel is being copy-pasted by the dumb, very basic script and run from the mechanical translation algorithm, and someone at the other part of the world is complaining (or at least thinking) about the same thing you are - that your work is the "AI slop". Yet, it is not, it just sounds very awkward after being chewed and spitted out by the machine, incapable of feeling the nuances of the language, and some Chinese, or Japanese, or Indian may think you are the "AI" where in fact, there is none involved.

 

[Dec]

Oh no, Beast is here and is again derailing the topic by pointlessly pointing out that what people call "AI" is not "AI".
Yes, we know. You can stop your crusade.
People will use that word to describe LLM wherever you like it or not. Go and do something useful instead, like reporting "AI written" stories and translations so they can be dealt with.

 

[SurfAngel_1031]

Many people are upset about the "AI".

I would think of it this way...

Is your novel written by the "AI"?

Judging from the tone of your post, I assume it is not, and you are very proud of your creation.

Which is fair, the many artists are proud of the works which they created.

However, as we speak, your novel is being copy-pasted by the dumb, very basic script and run from the mechanical translation algorithm, and someone at the other part of the world is complaining (or at least thinking) about the same thing you are - that your work is the "AI slop". Yet, it is not, it just sounds very awkward after being chewed and spitted out by the machine, incapable of feeling the nuances of the language, and some Chinese, or Japanese, or Indian may think you are the "AI" where in fact, there is none involved.

That's also a unique point of view, and I'm not happy with the idea that someone is stealing my vampires.
Get off my blood-suckers. ?

Yeah, much like anyone else, I am proud of my work. I wrote it so people could read it and to express what things I have floating in my head, just begging to get out.

Which is a major part of my little inquiry. I mean I know the satisfaction I get from producing what I've written.

What's the satisfaction of a program doing the heavy work for you? Which I guess is inherent to the overall question?

 

[Clo]

What's the satisfaction of a program doing the heavy work for you? Which I guess is inherent to the overall question?

Are you saying movie directors shouldn't feel proud of their movies? They didn't act the scene, write the lines, cast the actors, stitch the costume, aim the camera or any of these things.

 

[Garolymar]

Are you saying movie directors shouldn't feel proud of their movies? They didn't act the scene, write the lines, cast the actors, stitch the costume, aim the camera or any of these things.

If I had to give a really good example of an "AI Director" It'd be Neural Viz on Youtube. Dude makes lots of really well put together videos with heavy AI use that are super funny. One of my favourites is in the spoiler if anyone wants to check it out, it's good example of what AI can do as a tool. Sure it can mass produce slop, but it's doing that at a human's command. and humans make slop all the time, Hollywood is slowly bleeding right now cause it's full of slop. At the end of the day we'll always be our own biggest problem.

Spoiler

 

[SurfAngel_1031]

Are you saying movie directors shouldn't feel proud of their movies? They didn't act the scene, write the lines, cast the actors, stitch the costume, aim the camera or any of these things.

While I do value the point you're making, the one big difference is that the director you are referring to did put in real work and effort to accomplish that piece of art.

Giving AI a prompt, I'm not real sure counts in the same way.

 

[beast_regards]

What's the satisfaction of a program doing the heavy work for you? Which I guess is inherent to the overall question?

That's a fair point.

The writers, especially the amateur ones, want to be appreciated for all the effort they put in their work, even more so if they do so in their spare time, in order to express themselves, with no compensation in sight.

That's true.

What would be a point if there was a magic box that could do the writing for them, if the whole point of the effort was to express themselves?

Except, there is no such magic box, yet people still act like there is one, and it is the worst thing in the world.

You could have the witch hunt without actual witches.

 

[SurfAngel_1031]

That's a fair point.

The writers, especially the amateur ones, want to be appreciated for all the effort they put in their work, even more so if they do so in their spare time, in order to express themselves, with no compensation in sight.

That's true.

What would be a point if there was a magic box that could do the writing for them, if the whole point of the effort was to express themselves?

Except, there is no such magic box, yet people still act like there is one, and it is the worst thing in the world.

You could have the witch hunt without actual witches.

I might be missing something in the meaning here.

Wouldn't that magic box actually be that AI program the person is using to give the prompt?

I've seen a similar reaction to Artists that have been dealing with AI art for a long time now. Many would probably fight over the concept of an AI artist.

 

[N.K.Watson]

Money, laziness, inexperience, fear of inadequacy, language barriers....
I feel that there are a million reasons for it. I'm a new writer, and spent my first chapter sending my writing through AI, allowing it to rephrase and edit for me because I wasn't comfortable with my own writing. Eventually, I wiped it clean, restarted with my own words again, and gave my mom a copy to read. Since then i've been writing myself, and hoping that i'm either good enough to catch readers - or at least not so awful that someone rips me to shreds.

 

[OokamiOkuri]

Some of those stories you call AI slops aren't AI-generated.

They are AI-translated.

Some people just want easy fame and money by stealing foreign novels, claiming them as their work without crediting the original author.

Don't worry, we are reporting them until they no longer appears in the front page.

 

[Bartun]

And here I am typing my dino fingers to the bone