What's the point?

[Baconbread]

(Evil main character's personalities being Vapid)

Some authors have decided that, evil main characters Only motivations are money and power. Because having a personality is a good guy trait?

What type of thought process Is this? Legitimately do these guys think Giving their main care character the personality Of a brick wall is going to be entertaining.

(Misogyny)

Also i'm fine with Misogyny Elements in a Story, Using it to develop the plot And define The villains. But Making your story straight up Misogynistic Is awful, Straight up Garbage material.

Do you honestly think Me or anyone else, Thinks that women are Objects?

That they're only purposely in life is to give children And serve you like a slave?

(God like protagonists/Dungeon masters protagonists)

So you decided to make your main character god, There's actually nothing wrong with This Concept.

Just stop making a drag to read, The amount of time where the main character's Complaint About Stuff they can fix Or cannot fix at the moment is dumb.

I actually really like the concept, But I really dislike the main character being dragged down Because the author thinks it's a necessary thing to do for some reason.

Just skip to some other characters POV If you wanna slow it down.

(Slave Harems)

I hate it With a passion.

Harems I can Deal with, But slave Harems are god awful. I don't see how anyone Finds Entertainment Or enjoyable that all the main character Women are just slaves.

(The Generic White Human male Protagonist)

Honestly These characters Are boring, They have zero personality Or Very Little. They have no character development, Act like a robot And
Have nothing to Them.

(Edgy protagonists)

a Main character that monologues Instead of acting Is annoying, actions speak louder than word.

The Main character being a constant dick Isn't it endearing Or entertaining. Honestly I think it's the Opposite, And trauma Doesn't give you the excuse To be a constant Asshole.

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The reason I'm talking about this, Is because it genuinely ruins mine experience reading.

 

[RepresentingDesire]

1 You have some good points I specially agree with the villain part but that's rarely true currently I'm reading an anti-villain that is motivated by pride and arrogance.
2 Some things are kinda weird or rather the entire comment.
3 I like it when characters are a dick and dramatic.

 

[HuaiChi]

I understood what is 123 &5. But what is 4? An example

 

[Cipiteca396]

I understood what is 123 &5. But what is 4? An example

This person is looking for new reading material. Do not fall for these tricks.

The reason I'm talking about this, Is because it genuinely ruins mine experience reading.

Hmm. Aren't these just the things that writers see people doing IRL and decided to offload that stress by making villains out of them? Sorry, villains and 'protagonists'.

 

[BigBadBoi]

Some authors have decided that, evil main characters Only motivations are money and power. Because having a personality is a good guy trait?

Actual evil sociopath MCs are hard to write so they resort to this because skill issue

 

[Corty]

Some authors have decided that, evil main characters Only motivations are money and power

That tracks with real life. Look at why most violent crimes are committed for. Money and power.

Do you honestly think Me or anyone else, Thinks that women are Objects?

Dependent on society and historical timeline. If you think otherwise go back to history class. Or just go look at those who signed up for Hustle University.

I actually really like the concept, But I really dislike the main character being dragged down Because the author thinks it's a necessary thing to do for some reason.

Yes, very true. If you write an OP MC nothing should stand in its way. The conflict should come from how the MC tries not to steamroll others or how others react to the MC’s powers

Harems I can Deal with, But slave Harems are god awful. I don't see how anyone Finds Entertainment Or enjoyable that all the main characters Women are just slaves.

Depends on the author. It can be done well, if it isn't it is a writer’s skill issue. Just look at some fetishes people have (women too, before you ask)

The Generic White Human male Protagonist)

Honestly These characters Are boring, They have zero personality Or Very Little. They have no character development, Act like a robot And
Have nothing to Them.

You went and specified the skin color for.. why? Racist.

a Main character that monologues Instead of acting Is annoying, actions speak louder than word.

True

The Main character being a constant dick Isn't it endearing Or entertaining. Honestly I think it's the Opposite, And trauma Doesn't give you the excuse To be a constant Asshole.

Yep, true again

 

[CupcakeNinja]

(Evil main character's personalities being Vapid)

Some authors have decided that, evil main characters Only motivations are money and power. Because having a personality is a good guy trait?

What type of thought process Is this? Legitimately do these guys think Giving their main care character the personality Of a brick wall is going to be entertaining.

(Misogyny)

Also i'm fine with Misogyny Elements in a Story, Using it to develop the plot And define The villains. But Making your story straight up Misogynistic Is awful, Straight up Garbage material.

Do you honestly think Me or anyone else, Thinks that women are Objects?

That they're only purposely in life is to give children And serve you like a slave?

(God like protagonists/Dungeon masters protagonists)

So you decided to make your main character god, There's actually nothing wrong with This Concept.

Just stop making a drag to read, The amount of time where the main character's Complaint About Stuff they can fix Or cannot fix at the moment is dumb.

I actually really like the concept, But I really dislike the main character being dragged down Because the author thinks it's a necessary thing to do for some reason.

Just skip to some other characters POV If you wanna slow it down.

(Slave Harems)

I hate it With a passion.

Harems I can Deal with, But slave Harems are god awful. I don't see how anyone Finds Entertainment Or enjoyable that all the main character Women are just slaves.

(The Generic White Human male Protagonist)

Honestly These characters Are boring, They have zero personality Or Very Little. They have no character development, Act like a robot And
Have nothing to Them.

(Edgy protagonists)

a Main character that monologues Instead of acting Is annoying, actions speak louder than word.

The Main character being a constant dick Isn't it endearing Or entertaining. Honestly I think it's the Opposite, And trauma Doesn't give you the excuse To be a constant Asshole.

________________________________________

The reason I'm talking about this, Is because it genuinely ruins mine experience reading.

The problem is you need to diversify the type of stories you read. There are MANY amazing villains out there but your ass wont know cuz you're stuck reading the shit tier stuff.

Not every villain will be a Griffith or a Pain. Sometimes you just get an Arrognt Young Cunt, sure. But there's a lot more of them when thats the kind of story that you primarily consume

 

[FluffyGura]

Isn't this types of 'villians' most found in stories that are either written for self fulfillment or for cough action on action fantasies?

 

[Deleted member 84247]

I think you have discovered bad writing. If you want to read a gem, then read known gems. Most people aren't coming to Scribble Hub to find Brandon Sanderson.

 

[xuduxixi]

Your problem can be easily resolve if you just read the good ones.

Diagnosis: You have a bad taste.

 

[Mikeynohmore]

(Evil main character's personalities being Vapid)

Some authors have decided that, evil main characters Only motivations are money and power. Because having a personality is a good guy trait?

Bro, have you never watched any documentaries about serial killers, gangsters, rapists, white collar criminals, war criminals, etc.? Most of the people featured in these docs are vapid personalities with boring-ass motivations for the horrible things they do to others. Majority of villians don't have morally gray and reasonable explanations for why they do the things they do. They're usually just mundane shitty people.

 

[AstreiaNyx]

My villain motivation is to make the world a better place. In another story of mine, the villain is one of the protagonists.

But creating a villain who isn't motivated by power, greed, or pettiness is hard, since in reality, they are often motivated by those things.

 

[RepresentingDesire]

My villain motivation is to make the world a better place. In another story of mine, the villain is one of the protagonists.

This is like the easiest villain motivation.
A villain can be just someone with another belief system.
You could make a villain that has more of a "black" version of that by thinking to life is to be in pain so ending life is good.
A more "white" version would be an antihero that kills criminals.
Villain don't have to be evil people, they only have to be enemies. (Not only because subjective morality but because I feel like someone here doesn't know what antagonist are.)

 

[Cynthell]

Villians can be evil for evils sake but they have to be entertaining. Think Hisoka from HxH, Joker from DC, Joffery Baratheon from GoT. There are hundreds of examples of Evil characters who people enjoy simply because they are entertaining.

As for Evil characters who are meant to be more grounded and realistic in their actions the best way I say to go about it is make them a failed protagonist. Theres probably a word for it but draw up their story, give them motivations and obstacles, and make them fail. Give them a compelling reason for choosing evil for the sake of their goals.

 

[Representing_Tromba]

My villains motivations have dependant on the story. There are so many motivations to use. You can take anything really, make it a desire, and then with enough immorality, make it into an evil villian motivation.

Supernatural time traveler story: Villan is motivated by a desire for peace and to resurrect his dead demigod wife. However, it is overshadowed by a hatred for the MC cultivated over 1500 years of the MC messing with his plans out of spite.

Summoned hero story: Villanova is motivated politically to become the one in charge.

Summoned as a demon lord story: Villan is motivated by racism.

The Island: Villian is motivated by the desire to be left alone so he can smoke weed and play video games with his friends.

 

[TroubleFait]

But creating a villain who isn't motivated by power, greed, or pettiness is hard, since in reality, they are often motivated by those things.

This is like the easiest villain motivation.
A villain can be just someone with another belief system.
You could make a villain that has more of a "black" version of that by thinking to life is to be in pain so ending life is good.
A more "white" version would be an antihero that kills criminals.
Villain don't have to be evil people, they only have to be enemies. (Not only because subjective morality but because I feel like someone here doesn't know what antagonist are.)

I'll offer a subtler alternative. Villain thinks he's trying to make the world a better place. Protagonist thinks the villain is only in it for money and power. The reader is left wondering who's right, if anyone truly is.

 

[Premier]

But creating a villain who isn't motivated by power, greed, or pettiness is hard, since in reality, they are often motivated by those things.

We're writing fantasy though, so we can just make shit up.

Don't let realism make your story boring.

 

[2wordsperminute]

Honestly power is a pretty strong motivator, nothing wrong with using it as a villain's reason for villainy imo.

 

[greyblob]

It's the easiest way to make a villain. hyperbole negative traits and exaggerate unfavorable mannerisms.

I'll offer a subtler alternative. Villain thinks he's trying to make the world a better place. Protagonist thinks the villain is only in it for money and power. The reader is left wondering who's right, if anyone truly is.

protagonist is trying to make the world a better place.
villain is trying to make the world a better place.

perspective

 

[Verdant]

(Evil main character's personalities being Vapid)

Some authors have decided that, evil main characters Only motivations are money and power. Because having a personality is a good guy trait?

What type of thought process Is this? Legitimately do these guys think Giving their main care character the personality Of a brick wall is going to be entertaining.

(Misogyny)

Also i'm fine with Misogyny Elements in a Story, Using it to develop the plot And define The villains. But Making your story straight up Misogynistic Is awful, Straight up Garbage material.

Do you honestly think Me or anyone else, Thinks that women are Objects?

That they're only purposely in life is to give children And serve you like a slave?

(God like protagonists/Dungeon masters protagonists)

So you decided to make your main character god, There's actually nothing wrong with This Concept.

Just stop making a drag to read, The amount of time where the main character's Complaint About Stuff they can fix Or cannot fix at the moment is dumb.

I actually really like the concept, But I really dislike the main character being dragged down Because the author thinks it's a necessary thing to do for some reason.

Just skip to some other characters POV If you wanna slow it down.

(Slave Harems)

I hate it With a passion.

Harems I can Deal with, But slave Harems are god awful. I don't see how anyone Finds Entertainment Or enjoyable that all the main character Women are just slaves.

(The Generic White Human male Protagonist)

Honestly These characters Are boring, They have zero personality Or Very Little. They have no character development, Act like a robot And
Have nothing to Them.

(Edgy protagonists)

a Main character that monologues Instead of acting Is annoying, actions speak louder than word.

The Main character being a constant dick Isn't it endearing Or entertaining. Honestly I think it's the Opposite, And trauma Doesn't give you the excuse To be a constant Asshole.

________________________________________

The reason I'm talking about this, Is because it genuinely ruins mine experience reading.

Ohhh! A controversial post that I actually agree entirely with. The popularity of (some) Isekai protagonists running around and buying literal slaves has always turned me away from the genre (for the most part because Spirited Away is peak fiction). Though I avoid harems 99% of the time unless they’re Ouran Highschool Host Club because they seem to be generic (male) power fantasies.

Edgy protagonists are fine as long as they aren’t unintentionally narcissistic and talk about how smart and realistic/pessimistic they are. That or stories where the protagonist bends the rules around for no actual reason (This protagonist is super duper lucky and is a reincarnated space god!).

Villains being evil without no actual reason can be entertaining if done right. Dio is a great example of this.

I’ve seen some comments get confused by the “Generic white male protagonist” which is pretty vague. This complaint exists because eurocentric male characters still make up dominant lens (or “normal” viewpoint). Or, they’re just the most common type of protagonist which in theory makes them have the highest number of mediocre protagonists.