What's the point?

[tiaf]

I understood what is 123 &5. But what is 4? An example

Slave Harem reminds me of harem of the end.

I tried the manga but turned back before ch1 ended. MC is such a greasy pathetic loser. Can’t be a chad and get women with actual personality. Idk if it got any better, but forcing his female classmates into his harem with mind control? Humiliating them just because they were not romantically interested in him?

But it could also be like those bad harem that substitute “he was the only kind man to me, so I fell in love and joined his harem” with “I’m his slave so he can fuck me, but I actually enjoy it because he is the MC”

 

[georgelee5786]

(Evil main character's personalities being Vapid)

Some authors have decided that, evil main characters Only motivations are money and power. Because having a personality is a good guy trait?

What type of thought process Is this? Legitimately do these guys think Giving their main care character the personality Of a brick wall is going to be entertaining.

Because evil people are evil? It's not that weird that someone will act evil because they want power. Take Sauron from LOTR. Classic villain. His motivation? His desire to control all of middle earth. Villains don't need grand convoluted justifications or motivations every time

(Misogyny)

Also i'm fine with Misogyny Elements in a Story, Using it to develop the plot And define The villains. But Making your story straight up Misogynistic Is awful, Straight up Garbage material.

Do you honestly think Me or anyone else, Thinks that women are Objects?

That they're only purposely in life is to give children And serve you like a slave?

....ok?

(God like protagonists/Dungeon masters protagonists)

So you decided to make your main character god, There's actually nothing wrong with This Concept.

Just stop making a drag to read, The amount of time where the main character's Complaint About Stuff they can fix Or cannot fix at the moment is dumb.

I actually really like the concept, But I really dislike the main character being dragged down Because the author thinks it's a necessary thing to do for some reason.

Just skip to some other characters POV If you wanna slow it down.

Very true

(Slave Harems)

I hate it With a passion.

Harems I can Deal with, But slave Harems are god awful. I don't see how anyone Finds Entertainment Or enjoyable that all the main character Women are just slaves.

True

(The Generic White Human male Protagonist)

Honestly These characters Are boring, They have zero personality Or Very Little. They have no character development, Act like a robot And
Have nothing to Them.

That's because we are the best

(Edgy protagonists)

a Main character that monologues Instead of acting Is annoying, actions speak louder than word.

True

 

[RepresentingDesire]

I'll offer a subtler alternative. Villain thinks he's trying to make the world a better place. Protagonist thinks the villain is only in it for money and power. The reader is left wondering who's right, if anyone truly is.

I make it even more subtle. They both fight to create a better world but they both want only their own idea to succeed and think of the other as evil.

 

[Rhaps]

I make it even more subtle. They both fight to create a better world but they both want only their own idea to succeed and think of the other as evil.

This is what I went with when making my first antagonist, both the protagonist and antagonist wants to protect the same thing, but one is more idealistic and the other is more realistic. They are both wrong and right at the same time, they understood each other's view, that is why one if them must die.

 

[HuaiChi]

Slave Harem reminds me of harem of the end.

I tried the manga but turned back before ch1 ended. MC is such a greasy pathetic loser. Can’t be a chad and get women with actual personality. Idk if it got any better, but forcing his female classmates into his harem with mind control? Humiliating them just because they were not romantically interested in him?

But it could also be like those bad harem that substitute “he was the only kind man to me, so I fell in love and joined his harem” with “I’m his slave so he can fuck me, but I actually enjoy it because he is the MC”

Don't every harem have one or two characters like that?

 

[RepresentingDesire]

This is what I went with when making my first antagonist, both the protagonist and antagonist wants to protect the same thing, but one is more idealistic and the other is more realistic. They are both wrong and right at the same time, they understood each other's view, that is why one if them must die.

That's the reason I liked Romolus so much he was a world-class paradigm case of what I meant.

 

[tiaf]

Don't every harem have one or two characters like that?

But a whole harem? A relationship built on a contract with unequal standing between the parties can not work long term. There must be something to establish trust, but the process is glossed over in so many stories. Slave members just feel like ready made fill in members of a harem.

 

[AstreiaNyx]

I make it even more subtle. They both fight to create a better world but they both want only their own idea to succeed and think of the other as evil.

Even more subtle, a classic Chinese quote:

The victor becomes the king, the defeated becomes the outlaw.

 

[Thraben]

someone else answered the same way I would have, but there is something I'd like to add in furtherance of that response:

Any attempt at saying 'This type of creative exploration is bad because I think it is, thoughts?', no matter how you say it, such as the way you have with this post, is always answered with one of exactly three options.

A. Skill issue. You need to git gud.
B. Skill issue. Those authors haven't git gud yet.
C. Societal issue. You aren't going to find an answer that isn't either impossible or horribly monstrous.

In order, your points will be numbered with my applied response to each.


1. A+B
2. B+C
3. B
4. A
5. C
6. A+B

 

[HuaiChi]

But a whole harem? A relationship built on a contract with unequal standing between the parties can not work long term. There must be something to establish trust, but the process is glossed over in so many stories. Slave members just feel like ready made fill in members of a harem.

The only good story that I am okay reading is the one with a dumb and thick protagonist. That is only when the story is good.

Well, the mindset of the harem members was always a mystery to me. I can understand if the character is looking for a seed for strong people, not love or care. What about the 4th, 5th, or 6th member of the harem? What do they expect from MC? love them, care about them? most of the kings who had harem don't even remember about the people of their harem. They like a girl, bring her in, shag a few times they start rotting inside the four walls.

To me, harem doesn't even make sense. Even if it is a good harem, the latter woman thinks (he is strong/he saved me / or I am a slave) anyone along the line. it doesn't really matter.

That being said, if I read smut, I don't care about why the woman joined the harem. All I care about is that the woman doesn't use the same reason why one of her predecessors joined the harem. I would like to see some variety.

 

[lambenttyto]

You went and specified the skin color for.. why? Racist.

I second this. Just because our culture is Marxist now, doesn't mean it's okay to make racist comments even if it's the in-thing to hate on white folks. I write a lot of characters that aren't white, main characters, even, but not because I'm trying to avoid whiteness. But so what if I did write a bunch of white savior stories, you don't gotta read me. Your post is cultural Marxism, and you probably don't even realize you're playing to a political agenda that has no care for you or anyone else in this forum.

 

[TroubleFait]

Marx never applied his theory on skin colours, afaik. Cultural Marxism is like social Darwinism, it's an aberration that seems to solve a problem while leading to only strife and suffering.

 

[CrimsonGenius]

One of my villains became the way she is because 300 years ago she was forced to give up her pet horse. Then she found the evil thing and wants to turn the world into a rage-filled reality.