What happen after a government fails?

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If a country has too much corruption and the people's livelihoods deteriorate because of that, but the people don't have enough power to change. What would happen next?
I just saw a few countries ran into a crisis and was interested in what would happen to those.
 

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Ever checked the French Revolution? They did the whole package only to backflip to Napoleon after they had killed both the previous ruling class and the revolutionaries.

Brutal rebellions are always a possibility. It only needs one little situation to get the keg to explode. If people are unhappy and powerless then there's a good chance they'll explode in the only way that makes their voices heard.
 
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Ever checked the French Revolution? They did the whole package only to backflip to Napoleon after they had killed both the previous ruling class and the revolutionaries.

Brutal rebellions are always a possibility. It only needs one little situation to get the keg to explode. If people are unhappy and powerless then there's a good chance they'll explode in the only way that makes their voices heard.
Napoleon, the only cool Frenchman.
 

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If a country has too much corruption and the people's livelihoods deteriorate because of that, but the people don't have enough power to change. What would happen next?
I just saw a few countries ran into a crisis and was interested in what would happen to those.
Look at the failed German revolution, or the Spanish Civil war. I will get a few documentaries.

Spanish Civil War

German Revolution
https://youtube.com/watch?v=qFLDv4NO8xE&feature=share
 

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African civil wars can give some insight into your question. Also, no head of the government or any other person from the top of the chain of command remaining or still having power means local governors and forces like the military will take control of whatever is within their reach until a new ruling body rises to power, or if they desire so, they may try to stay independent regardless if a new ruling body appears or not.
 
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If a country has too much corruption and the people's livelihoods deteriorate because of that, but the people don't have enough power to change. What would happen next?
I just saw a few countries ran into a crisis and was interested in what would happen to those.
If the people are pushed into a corner, they may end up in revolt.

Sample of this was the 1986 EDSA People Power Revolution, which inspired the non-violent resistance around the world during the late 1980s and early 1990s. Ferdinand Marcos' 20-year dictatorial rule resulted in financial disasters (bankruptcy of the Philippine textile industry, Banco de Oro bankruptcy), famine (Negros Famine), army and police abuses (3k people disappeared, thousands more incarcerated as political prisoners). So, when a faction in the military conspired to have the older Marcos overthrown, the people rallied behind the coup plotters and what followed was four days of non-violent (mostly) civil disobedience to the dictator's rule.

Another approach would be 'passive disconnect', like what's happening to our country right now. After the corrupt, mysoginist and murderous president (Rodrigo Duterte) was succeeded by the lazy, lying non-achiever Ferdinand Marcos Jr., (the son of the dictator) the people usually concerned in others' welfare simply lost heart and either left for other countries, or just focused amongst themselves. Add in the blatant misinformation campaign, and you get a population that is subservient to the ruling class. Everyone simply just don't give a damn anymore.
 

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It depends on the country but I assume that every country interested in the land and people would vi for power over it.
 

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It depends on the country but I assume that every country interested in the land and people would vi for power over it.
Then would they launch an invasion? Or would they try to support the rebel force?
However, I was wondering if the rebel lacked manpower to the point that taking the government was impossible and the people were too weak or don’t want to stand in front of machine guns, then how do the corrupted government be taken down?
 
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Then would they launch an invasion? Or would they try to support the rebel force?
There are examples where a country that has interest in another country's piece of land would invade the moment chaos reigned in the latter. Of course, this is so that the said chaotic country won't be able to mount an effective resistance in the event the first country invaded.

A perfect example was the Polish Intervention during the Russian Times of Troubles in the late 16th - early 17th century. With Ivan the Terrible's successor Fyodor having had no legitimate heir and Boris Godunov succeeding him, various boyars vied for the Tsar's throne after Godunov's death. With chaos reigning and the appearance of the first False Dmitry, Poland decided to intervene and invade Muscovite land.

Another, more modern, example would be the Turkish invasion of Northern Syria during the height of the Syrian Civil War. With the government of Assad busy dealing with rebels and ISIS, the Turkish army was free to invade their neighbor under the pretext of stopping and punishing 'terrorist' Kurds.

Of course, to sow discord and chaos in one place, one has to take note of the societal make up of the region. So for this, one has to know who and what to support. The Allied Powers of WW2 demonstrated this in Yugoslavia, where they sought to defeat Germany in the Balkan country by choosing who to support. In the end, they supported Tito's Partisans over the Chetniks.

However, I was wondering if the rebel lacked manpower to the point that taking the government was impossible and the people were too weak or don’t want to stand in front of machine guns, then how do the corrupted government be taken down?
Any rebel force should take note that heading into conflict unprepared guarantees defeat. So, they should prepare for war as covert as possible. The preparation may take long, but as long as the movement stays under the radar, the fire of revolution remains alive.

But, let's say for argument, how can an unprepared rebel force and a subservient populace take down a government? One good example to look at would be the Philippine Katipuneros (a secret revolutionary movement during the late 19th century Philippines aiming to liberate the colony from Spain). The movement was discovered prematurely, so the founder, Andres Bonifacio, have to launch the uprising unprepared.

Results are mixed. Some provinces rebelled successfully, but the overall phase 1 of the Revolutionary War nearly failed, had it not for the intervention of the Americans...who would be the next colonial masters of the Filipinos in the aftermath of the Filipino-American War.
 
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There are examples where a country that has interest in another country's piece of land would invade the moment chaos reigned in the latter. Of course, this is so that the said chaotic country won't be able to mount an effective resistance in the event the first country invaded.

A perfect example was the Polish Intervention during the Russian Times of Troubles in the late 16th - early 17th century. With Ivan the Terrible's successor Fyodor having had no legitimate heir and Boris Godunov succeeding him, various boyars vied for the Tsar's throne after Godunov's death. With chaos reigning and the appearance of the first False Dmitry, Poland decided to intervene and invade Muscovite land.

Another, more modern, example would be the Turkish invasion of Northern Syria during the height of the Syrian Civil War. With the government of Assad busy dealing with rebels and ISIS, the Turkish army was free to invade their neighbor under the pretext of stopping and punishing 'terrorist' Kurds.

Of course, to sow discord and chaos in one place, one has to take note of the societal make up of the region. So for this, one has to know who and what to support. The Allied Powers of WW2 demonstrated this in Yugoslavia, where they sought to defeat Germany in the Balkan country by choosing who to support. In the end, they supported Tito's Partisans over the Chetniks.


Any rebel force should take note that heading into conflict unprepared guarantees defeat. So, they should prepare for war as covert as possible. The preparation may take long, but as long as the movement stays under the radar, the fire of revolution remains alive.

But, let's say for argument, how can an unprepared rebel force and a subservient populace take down a government? One good example to look at would be the Philippine Katipuneros (a secret revolutionary movement during the late 19th century Philippines aiming to liberate the colony from Spain). The movement was discovered prematurely, so the founder, Andres Bonifacio, have to launch the uprising unprepared.

Results are mixed. Some provinces rebelled successfully, but the overall phase 1 of the Revolutionary War nearly failed, had it not for the intervention of the Americans...who would be the next colonial masters of the Filipinos in the aftermath of the Filipino-American War.
Hans what do you think about Americans being the colonial masters of Canadians?
 

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:blob_neutral: A government can fall, but they never disappear. There are just replaced by new forms. Governments are just power structures of administration and governance. We humans are social creatures by necessity, so they will always continue to exist. There will always be leaders.
 
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What a shame. Was really hoping to get you on the team.
Ah sorry? I think I missed something. Any case, I'm on my 'teaching mode' since I've been nervous since this morning...prolly up to the next because my demonstration teaching will be tomorrow.

And my head is full of preparations.
 
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