What do you think of the new Avatar series, Seven Havens?

[TheEldritchGod]

Many of the greatest works of fiction, from 1984 to TLOTR, reflect real-world struggles while still providing compelling narratives.

OH MY GOD...

False equivalancy much?

no. To have a PROPER comparison, you need to take 1984, then write the sequel, 1985, where the MC is a woman who fixes everything by saying the problem was big brother, but it would work just fine with BIG SISTER.

If you have a stand along movie, then take that movie, make a new ONE based on it, but then CHANGE THE POINT ENTIRELY, that is what inserting MODERN politics about.

TLOK wasn’t just “modern politics in a fantasy setting”—it explored complex themes of power, ideology, and identity, which co-relates with real-world issues.

No. It did not. It hinted at stuff then let you. The audience. fill in your own head cannon. It was as shallow as a puddle.

If a story is well-written, audiences won’t feel like they’re being lectured.

Sure. Korra was not well written.

The issue isn’t politics in fiction, but badly handled politics in fiction—when messages feel forced instead of being woven
smoothly into the world and characters.

No. The point is trying to push messaging on children. How old is the MC IN THE NEW SERIES? HMM?

It is geared towards children. It will be Seeped in the MESSAGE.

If TLOK felt heavy-handed at times it wasn’t because it engaged with modern issues but because execution matters more than intent.

No. It felt schizophrenic.

It had okay stand alone ideas, then some idiot jumped in and wrote nonsense

Watch High School of the dead. It is a perfect example of schizophrenic writing, but a fun way.

There is the main plot written by one guy, then there is this sick, twisted horror writer who adds in these short side horror stories. Then there is a third writer who is a pervert.

It's not bad.

Korra has that same problem, but it doesn't jell.

In short, Escapism and real-world issues can go together in a good story.

But that's not what i said, is it?

I didn't mention REAL WORLD issues. I said MODERN POLITICS. If you can't represent my position without twisting it around so you can "win", please don't bother talking to me.

Modern politics is no more politics then social justice is about justice.

Good writing make themes feel natural, bad writing don’t.

If I made a case for murdering your mother in a horrific fashion and why you should be made to watch, it's okay if the writing is good enough?

Evil is still evil.

The problem with MODERN politics and why it always is "off" is on some level, you know it's wrong. It makes you think that someone is tossing off to it, somewhere. They are showing you thier personal fetish and hope that if enough people just see thier perversion, it will be normal.

It's not about a what if, or a compelling story, because the story never goes to the logical conclusion. It goes to, "and that's a good thing".

You never make up your own mind, you are always TOLD what's right.

The LOTR IP is about objective good vrs objective evil. How is that modern politics? How dare you even THINK of comparing the two. If you think LOTR is an allegory for modern politics, I don't think you know what allegories are.

She wasn’t just a perfect woman proving everyone wrong—she was deeply flawed, impulsive, and had to grow through real struggles

No.

She was a girlboss season 1. The writers heard complaining and said, okay, we'll fix it. At some point they said, okay, we'll torture her! You happy now!

Then she shrugged that shit off like a woman gang banged in a hentai.

Oh she "remembers", but it's more like a tictoker who is crying for the camera.

You have a lot of head cannon, but I promise you, nothing you believe as cannon is anything the writers thought of BEFORE they made the episodes.

I used to DM. ALOT.

I love my players because when I screwed up, sooner or later they'd come up with some crazy theory to tie everything together and I'd hang my head and mutter, "damn it. You figured it out... AGAIN."

You are like my players. You are writing the show for them.

And if you like your headcannon, good for you. I hope you enjoy it.

But I spent so much time being the man behind the curtain that I can't help but see a fellow conman.

But I didn't say she WAS proving everyone wrong.

I said, SHE IS GOING TO TELL THE AUDIENCE SHE WAS RIGHT. In the new show. At some point I expect her to turn to the camera and say, "men are the source of all evil on this planet, so we need more woman in STEM." Then wink.

Or something like that. It will happen.

Korra is to blame? Ahhhh... no. You know they would NEVER make it a WOMAN'S fault.

Go on. Tell me they'll make it a woman's fault. The world ended and a woman did it. Tell me you think it will be that. If you yell me, anything other than. They will blame a man, and an evil man framed Korra, then you are lying to me, or yourself.

And frankly, I don't care if the rest of the show is amazing. I find the show burning and predictable. I can tell you half the show without seeing anything more than the trailer. It will be dull. It will be predictable. It will suck.

It will be nothing more than girlbossing.

 

[tiaf]

sounds interesting and the premise is very original, but retards will say its bad because they dislike female main characters

the avatar cycle simply continues after korra (she's the only ancestor now)

Korra wasn't as bad as everyone said. I dismissed it at first because of how others talked bad about it, but it was entertaining when I watched it. It was just vastly different from the Aang.

Would watch the new series, sounds interesting.

 

[ignova]

well this escalated quickly

 

[Hsinat]

Nah, I didn't judge her. Asked a question, you answered, thank you for that. As for spiritual and emotional side, I was ok with it in other works. ?‍ Not saying she is bad based on only that btw. I didn't watch so can't judge.

Lastly, a lot of judging before the series comes out goes from the fact those authors didn't do a lot of good TV sereis as far as I can tell. I don't know if he is still good, I will take Genndy Tartakovsky as an example anyway, since he is the only animation guy I know. If they suddenly give him all the rights and freedom to do a third season, and I mean real freedom, I doubt majority would say it's going to be bad, even if MC were to be a female lesbian avatar.

Granted Genndy Tartakovsky is still good and he gets actual freedom. Obviously there will be a couple of actual misogynysts hating on it, but I think majority will be at the very least interested in what he is going to do with it. So yeah. It's all about who is in charge and how much freedom are they going to get.

Same thing that happens with videogames. You can judge a game before it comes out based on the publisher and the names in that studio.

Yeah, it all comes down to trust in the creators.

If someone like Genndy Tartakovsky got full creative freedom, people would be interested no matter what because he has a solid track record of making great animation.

Scepticism comes from studios with a weak track record, same as in gaming.

Execution matters most. If it's well-made, people will come around.

Also, he is one of my favourite animator out there.

Loved Samurai Jack as well as Hotel Transylvania.

OH MY GOD...

False equivalancy much?

no. To have a PROPER comparison, you need to take 1984, then write the sequel, 1985, where the MC is a woman who fixes everything by saying the problem was big brother, but it would work just fine with BIG SISTER.

If you have a stand along movie, then take that movie, make a new ONE based on it, but then CHANGE THE POINT ENTIRELY, that is what inserting MODERN politics about.


No. It did not. It hinted at stuff then let you. The audience. fill in your own head cannon. It was as shallow as a puddle.



Sure. Korra was not well written.



No. The point is trying to push messaging on children. How old is the MC IN THE NEW SERIES? HMM?

It is geared towards children. It will be Seeped in the MESSAGE.



No. It felt schizophrenic.

It had okay stand alone ideas, then some idiot jumped in and wrote nonsense

Watch High School of the dead. It is a perfect example of schizophrenic writing, but a fun way.

There is the main plot written by one guy, then there is this sick, twisted horror writer who adds in these short side horror stories. Then there is a third writer who is a pervert.

It's not bad.

Korra has that same problem, but it doesn't jell.



But that's not what i said, is it?

I didn't mention REAL WORLD issues. I said MODERN POLITICS. If you can't represent my position without twisting it around so you can "win", please don't bother talking to me.

Modern politics is no more politics then social justice is about justice.


If I made a case for murdering your mother in a horrific fashion and why you should be made to watch, it's okay if the writing is good enough?

Evil is still evil.

The problem with MODERN politics and why it always is "off" is on some level, you know it's wrong. It makes you think that someone is tossing off to it, somewhere. They are showing you thier personal fetish and hope that if enough people just see thier perversion, it will be normal.

It's not about a what if, or a compelling story, because the story never goes to the logical conclusion. It goes to, "and that's a good thing".

You never make up your own mind, you are always TOLD what's right.

The LOTR IP is about objective good vrs objective evil. How is that modern politics? How dare you even THINK of comparing the two. If you think LOTR is an allegory for modern politics, I don't think you know what allegories are.

No.

She was a girlboss season 1. The writers heard complaining and said, okay, we'll fix it. At some point they said, okay, we'll torture her! You happy now!

Then she shrugged that shit off like a woman gang banged in a hentai.

Oh she "remembers", but it's more like a tictoker who is crying for the camera.

You have a lot of head cannon, but I promise you, nothing you believe as cannon is anything the writers thought of BEFORE they made the episodes.

I used to DM. ALOT.

I love my players because when I screwed up, sooner or later they'd come up with some crazy theory to tie everything together and I'd hang my head and mutter, "damn it. You figured it out... AGAIN."

You are like my players. You are writing the show for them.

And if you like your headcannon, good for you. I hope you enjoy it.

But I spent so much time being the man behind the curtain that I can't help but see a fellow conman.

But I didn't say she WAS proving everyone wrong.

I said, SHE IS GOING TO TELL THE AUDIENCE SHE WAS RIGHT. In the new show. At some point I expect her to turn to the camera and say, "men are the source of all evil on this planet, so we need more woman in STEM." Then wink.

Or something like that. It will happen.

Korra is to blame? Ahhhh... no. You know they would NEVER make it a WOMAN'S fault.

Go on. Tell me they'll make it a woman's fault. The world ended and a woman did it. Tell me you think it will be that. If you yell me, anything other than. They will blame a man, and an evil man framed Korra, then you are lying to me, or yourself.

And frankly, I don't care if the rest of the show is amazing. I find the show burning and predictable. I can tell you half the show without seeing anything more than the trailer. It will be dull. It will be predictable. It will suck.

It will be nothing more than girlbossing.

Fair enough, I didn’t quite grasp your previous point, but I agree with some of your criticisms.

Your main frustration seems to be with modern storytelling trends, particularly when politics feel forced into narratives rather than naturally integrated.

That’s a valid concern.

Then, you make an interesting distinction between "real-world issues" and "modern politics," which is fair—stories have always reflected societal struggles, but execution is key.

I get why you’d be sceptical about the project, especially if it prioritizes messaging over strong storytelling.

TLOK seasons 1 & 2 were definitely rough.

Season 1 had rushed pacing and a weak resolution, while season 2 felt all over the place with its execution.

The show got better in seasons 3 & 4, but even then, it never fully reached ATLA’s level.

And yeah, if a story is just about proving a message right instead of exploring ideas, it can feel preachy and hollow.

That said, execution is everything.

If the new show is well-written, develops its characters properly, and avoids being heavy-handed, it could surprise you.

I’d argue TLOK wasn’t as cohesive as ATLA, but it did try to tackle complex themes.

Whether it succeeded is a matter of opinion.

Some see depth, others see a mess.

But dismissing the new series before it even airs might be jumping the gun.

Even I am sceptical as you, but I am trying to give it second chance.

I understand the scepticism, but dismissing the new series before it airs might not be a good move.

At this point, all we can do is wait and see.

If it ends up being predictable "girl bossing," then you called it.

But if it manages to surprise us with strong writing, would you be open to giving it credit?