Turns out Avowed will be woke.

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I wonder when it will reach a point where these out-of-touch companies lose enough money that they stop hiring DEI consultants. People, in general, are too busy to care about certain ideologies being pushed in a video game when often they have nothing to do with the game itself. Or they'll still hire them because the billionaires and politicians behind these agendas want it. I'm not sure.
Pendulum is swinging, it already happens. Give it a few more years for them to make a couple more A-grade slops that fail miserably, and the air will be clean once again.
 

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Pendulum is swinging, it already happens. Give it a few more years for them to make a couple more A-grade slops that fail miserably, and the air will be clean once again.
This reminded me of the prey/predator population meme. The reason why so many of games fell into that pitfall is just because certain companies found an opportunity (the movement was relatively recent in the mainstream media and many rode the wave). Once the opportunities are gone (most developers learn to avoid that shit), those companies are likely going to drop like flies, but I don't think the issue is ever going to truly disappear without employing far more radical measures that would most likely hurt both sides.
 

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This reminded me of the prey/predator population meme. The reason why so many of games fell into that pitfall is just because certain companies found an opportunity (the movement was relatively recent in the mainstream media and many rode the wave). Once the opportunities are gone (most developers learn to avoid that shit), those companies are likely going to drop like flies, but I don't think the issue is ever going to truly disappear without employing far more radical measures that would most likely hurt both sides.
Just look at what all those companies do with their releases for China or Middle East. They were never here for the message, all they care about is money.
 

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Just look at what all those companies do with their releases for China or Middle East. They were never here for the message, all they care about is money.
Yeah but governments are also funding woke games and movies. Like EU funded Dustborn.

And Sweet baby inc was absolutely correct in their concept. I'll eat woke slop all day as long as gameplay is good.

You're OP because you're gay? Welcome in the party!
You're cis white male and your quest sucks? Well, sorry bro

They'll keep up this psy ops as long as their message gets exposure
 

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Yeah but governments are also funding woke games and movies. Like EU funded Dustborn.

And Sweet baby inc was absolutely correct in their concept. I'll eat woke slop all day as long as gameplay is good.

You're OP because you're gay? Welcome in the party!
You're cis white male and your quest sucks? Well, sorry bro

They'll keep up this psy ops as long as their message gets exposure
I will be honest, I don't understand the part after Dustborn. :sweating_profusely:

As for the first part, ahem, cats out of the bag, I used the term woke to generate some drama, but my bait wasn't attractive enough. It's not about woke. Governments simply tend to fund bad games and movies. Who funded Skull and Bones? Singapore? You can argue it is woke, or it is DEI or whatever, I will argue that higher ups of Ubisoft were criminally incompetent. And main problem of the game isn't woke story, but the fact it is a REALLY bad game. And they had AC4 Black Flag to lean on, but they managed to make it worse. Doesn't matter how bad of a hires you get because of DEI, your oldies can do the job, but even they failed.
 

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I'm getting ready to go to college for game and animation design Bachelor, and plan to make games that aren't woke. I have an idea for a survival zombie game similar to 7d2d but with far more content, gun, vehicles and better building.
 

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I'm getting ready to go to college for game and animation design Bachelor, and plan to make games that aren't woke. I have an idea for a survival zombie game similar to 7d2d but with far more content, gun, vehicles and better building.
Good luck.
 

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I will be honest, I don't understand the part after Dustborn. :sweating_profusely:

As for the first part, ahem, cats out of the bag, I used the term woke to generate some drama, but my bait wasn't attractive enough. It's not about woke. Governments simply tend to fund bad games and movies. Who funded Skull and Bones? Singapore? You can argue it is woke, or it is DEI or whatever, I will argue that higher ups of Ubisoft were criminally incompetent. And main problem of the game isn't woke story, but the fact it is a REALLY bad game. And they had AC4 Black Flag to lean on, but they managed to make it worse. Doesn't matter how bad of a hires you get because of DEI, your oldies can do the job, but even they failed.
If you are unaware, sweet baby inc's name came from treating players like babies who don't want to eat their veggies, and that they must be coaxed with tasty food to make them swallow the unwanted veggies.

The veggies are the woke ideologies (like being gay and trans is good, respectable, admirable), and the tasty food is good gameplay.

Their goal is to expose a large number of people to their ideologies through a beloved media.

My previous message said that this strategy for spreading propaganda works on me, as I would gladly consume propaganda as long as it's entertaining.

The only issue they run into is that the vehicles of propaganda are poorly made (shitty gameplay), so I believe that they would persist in this endeavor with tax payers' money.
 

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I think the problem here is YOU. :blobthumbsup: Maybe step away from YouTube and the grifters flooding you with hate. There’s nothing wrong; the only issue here is you. Just buy the game and enjoy it. The developers know what’s best for you.:blob_sir:

Jokes aside, it’s still too early to definitively call Avowed woke, but there are plenty of red flags.
Pronouns are a trivial issue I can tolerate as long as they aren’t shoved down our throats, like in Veilguard. What really bothers me are the overly saturated colors, everything looks too vibrant, which is often a marker for targeting kids or man-children.

Another unmistakable marker is the uglification of women. There’s not a single feminine-looking woman in sight, no matter how hard you look. Instead, they’re all more muscular than me, while most of the men are feminized or sexualized with pecs on full display (not that I mind that specifically, but I can’t stand the double standard).

The art direction feels uninspired, and the gameplay, based on what we've seen so far, looks like a mix of Concord and Skyrim. It’s not promising... it all seems very janky and undercooked.

It’s a shame because Obsidian has been a great developer. New Vegas and KOTOR 2 are milestones in gaming history. But, much like BioWare, nowadays, all that remains is the name.
 

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If you are unaware, sweet baby inc's name came from treating players like babies who don't want to eat their veggies, and that they must be coaxed with tasty food to make them swallow the unwanted veggies.

The veggies are the woke ideologies (like being gay and trans is good, respectable, admirable), and the tasty food is good gameplay.

Their goal is to expose a large number of people to their ideologies through a beloved media.

My previous message said that this strategy for spreading propaganda works on me, as I would gladly consume propaganda as long as it's entertaining.

The only issue they run into is that the vehicles of propaganda are poorly made (shitty gameplay), so I believe that they would persist in this endeavor with tax payers' money.
Oh, I know where their name came from. I don't know about propaganda working on you though. The reason for that is, no one hates gay characters, people hate bad characters. Plus, gay character being OP doesn't necesserily means he is woke.
 

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The one thing I just don't understand is why these developers and large corporations hate their customers so much. It's like they don't want me to buy their games.
 

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The one thing I just don't understand is why these developers and large corporations hate their customers so much. It's like they don't want me to buy their games.
Depends on what you consider to be a company and corporations. If we consider it to be a board of shareholders then you are wrong. Because shareholders want all your money. It's just, they are so out of touch they don't know what a regular customer is going to buy, and let all those directors decide what to do and how. And considering those directors will save their asses first and foremost and take money instead of accountability, they will fool those shareholders. You can listen to leaked sessions with Ubisoft's shareholders. As for getting out of touch, I don't think you need any proof on that.

If you think a company is all the developers that work there, you are half correct. DEI hires hate you. I don't think we need to talk about why they hate you.
 

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Once any media gains enough mass to be culturaly relevant, it falls victim to the cultural vangaurds. A hundred years ago it was the puritans infiltrating media, today it is the anti-puritans. The periods of birth or transition are the better periods with better media.

But it's always the aristocracy, currently a state sponsored capitalist aristocracy, that maintain control. The cultural zeitgiest must never favor the masses. Once the power knows something has influence, it will buy or subvert said something into the 'divide and conquer' sideshows.

Always has been.
 

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Can we please stop with this whole "wOkE vs InCeL" BS like it's some sort of non-canon shipping war? Most people just want to play good games...

Heck, I don't care if a character is lesbian, gay, hetero, trans, a purple black hole, or a furry hedgehog on LSD. As long as the story is good and the gameplay is fun, that is. Stuff like Dustborn and Failguard are pretty good examples of how not to do a game: The cast is obnoxious, the story is holding the players' hands and railroading way more than it has any right to be, and instead of timeless messages of the old generations it's just some mostly murrican current-day politics nobody cares about the moment a real crisis happens...

Games should be fun, damn it, not some overpriced political propaganda brochure! And I' calling both sides of this "war" idiots and hurtful to our gaming landscape.
 

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woke is when women aren't submissive slaves of men, and when there's people with different colors of skin (other than white) and have different sexuality and is therefore very EVIL because it goes against God Almighty and his Ancient Book of "How To Make A Species of Sentient Beings and Torture them For Eternity".
the fuck
 
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