PAY ARTISTS !!

[OtherSlater]

Anon2024 (Aka 2023; Aka 2021) court proceedings

I will be the presiding judge for this case. I am the least connected, so I carry the least bias in these proceedings. @Anon2024 charges are as follows: 1. Charges of High-Commission (commissioning art without a loicense for dat). 2. Posting rules without a government issued mandate. 3...

forum.scribblehub.com

What lore did I miss??

 

[Hans.Trondheim]

Anon2024 (Aka 2023; Aka 2021) court proceedings

I will be the presiding judge for this case. I am the least connected, so I carry the least bias in these proceedings. @Anon2024 charges are as follows: 1. Charges of High-Commission (commissioning art without a loicense for dat). 2. Posting rules without a government issued mandate. 3...

forum.scribblehub.com

Freaking hell, I didn't know this lore-able event!

 

[OtherSlater]

I agree in principle and would much rather an author use real art, even if it's their own shitty scribbles, than AI slop. But you know, we live in a society.

I love you basedbased omgg

 

[L1aei]

Anon2024 (Aka 2023; Aka 2021) court proceedings

I will be the presiding judge for this case. I am the least connected, so I carry the least bias in these proceedings. @Anon2024 charges are as follows: 1. Charges of High-Commission (commissioning art without a loicense for dat). 2. Posting rules without a government issued mandate. 3...

forum.scribblehub.com

Thank you for giving me something to read.

 

[JordanIda]

My profile bio says "Only words." No more, no less. Words are all I'm here for. No more, no less.

I don't care about covers. My book only has a cover because the local demographic won't skim the synopsis without one. And it's not working. I suppose my cover needs a lot more skin. Whatever. This thread is madness. (end of rant) :)

 

[Envylope]

Freaking hell, I didn't know this lore-able event!

He didn't commission you. The shame of being guilty was too much.

 

[Cardon]

AI covers are whatever, it's a self-fueling problem that's too deep by now to get solved.

writer wants people to click > people click on a shiny cover > can't afford shiny cover > turn to the slop machine > it works so no one is incentivized to do it differently

What really makes my eyebrows rise is that some writers on this forum seem to have a chip on their shoulder about artists.
I don't know or care if it stems from jealousy or if they literally have the villain origin story of Syndrome from Incredibles where senpai didn't notice them enough, writers here are weirdly comfortable expressing indifference or joy that 'artists will be replaced like milkmen'.

Other writers appear like they want to have an image in every chapter of their story and turn to AI, but then they can't even be bothered to tell their slop machine to use the same style as before. I've seen people mix piss Ghibli style with piss painting style and it's really jarring to see. To me this just shows a complete indifference to art in general, in which case the question stands: why even use the thing in the first place?

 

[Hans.Trondheim]

He didn't commission you. The shame of being guilty was too much.

There will come a time when the lores will return...

I just need some more time to draw stuff because school work is killing me.

 

[OtherSlater]

What really makes my eyebrows rise is that some writers on this forum seem to have a chip on their shoulder about artists.
I don't know or care if it stems from jealousy or if they literally have the villain origin story of Syndrome from Incredibles where senpai didn't notice them enough, writers here are weirdly comfortable expressing indifference or joy that 'artists will be replaced like milkmen'.

I ain't wanna say it but some people in this thread got oddly hostile because I said artists should be paid, and not replaced. Like... disagree with me true but like calm down lol

 

[TinaMigarlo]

My neighbor has scads of "Snap on" wrenches, sockets, 4-ways, special bits and holders, you name it. And is it the best? Sure. But the *cost* will make you faint. Now he's a professional mechanic, he needs that. Me, as a home mechanic? I need my wrench set like four times a year. I have all the same stuff, but its all harbor freight tools, LMAO. The high end professional artist, is Snap On and its *great* to have. But for unpublished amateur authors... AI cover art will have to do for now.

analogy time:
metal lathe. If you listen to every professional machinist, you will hear this every time. Yeah (*spit*) I hear this all the time (*hitch belt up*) you get your tiny tabletop chinese piece of crap. They then go on to list what it can't do. I didn't need to work on anything bigger than a giant flashlight in size, and I was amazed what I *could* do with the cheapest chinese table top lathe. Same for my chink table top milling machine. I just don't have the big workpiece capability or the power to attack things like tool steel. Once I learned what I was doing (I worked in a tool and die shop for two years when younger) I was amazed what I COULD do with the bargain things. High speed and slow feed, there wasn;t a lot I couldn't do, within work piece size limitations.

learning to use AI, and learning to crop and adjust the images made, takes time. And you can get some pretty decent results.
I'm now looking into downloading my *own* AI to run locally. 8k detail. Complete control of things. No more limits on how many per day. or paying. No being told that "thing x" is NSFW when its not. I wanted a pretty female holding a pair of handcuffs, that was NSFW. (she was a plain clothes investigator, lol)

remember I told you this. Always find someone, somewhere? showing you what *can* be done with budget thing X. Not what "the best" to use commercially is. I wired and clamped up a drill and gear down gumband pulleys to my feed on my chinese lathe. I can dust a couple "tenths" off (less than 1/1000 of an inch) and its smooth as silk. Its more about what things can do, than what's optimum.

 

[Corty]

Why it gotta be a business? Like I care first and foremost about the ART. I will work whatever other job to keep my dreams alive. The moment I see my art as work is the day I will no longer exist.

Because I live in the real world, I have bills to pay, groceries to buy, and work to do. My dreams ain't doing that, honey.

My hand is in music, writing, graphic design, and game design. I'll be ok. Art saved my life! It helped me find out who I am, and I made countless friends and memories commissioning art even when I didn't make a dime off it. I'm in it for the love of the game

Yeah, you are not living in the real world, or at least, you pretend not to. I had seen these comments many times, yet all the ones who say them would turn on their heels and show a different face when offered the chance to earn a fat check from their art.

Want me to prove it to you? Here. Let me quote YOU:

If you hate AI Art, then PAY YOUR ARTISTS!

Case and point.

 

[L1aei]

Look, we don't need to be hostile here. Need is what I'm emphasizing on in this thread. Whatever justified animosity is being projected, I don't believe @OtherSlater should be the scapegoat.

 

[OtherSlater]

Because I live in the real world, I have bills to pay, groceries to buy, and work to do. My dreams ain't doing that, honey.

So do I, yet here I am with my same opinion. Like.. what?

Yeah, you are not living in the real world, or at least, you pretend not to. I had seen these comments many times, yet all the ones who say them would turn on their heels when offered the chance to earn a fat check from their art.

Want me to prove it to you? Here. Let me quote YOU:

Never said I don't want to get paid for my art. Like this is what I'm saying all this aggression ya red in face mad for what? I said I am here first and foremost for the love of the game. If I get paid, cool! Dope! I got published. My music blew up and I make money off it. But I came in the field first and foremost for the love of it. I grew up with my only options presented to me was sports or nothing. I found art and never let go. So don't ever assume anything. Because I have principles even when I'm struggling, and you don't, don't put that on me. Stand on something or nothing, I don't care. But don't try to attack who I am. Chill.

 

[Little-Moon]

...I kinda agree with the Op of this threat. If you complain about AI writing why call AI cool or use it....go to canva or figma and do your own. It is not difficult, the software is free and figma is even free professionally used software. Invest a few hours and you can get your own cover.

Or alternatively if you find an artist, their art is cool and you wanna use one of their arts, do a DM ask them if it is fine and at least every single artist I have come to known so far (and I work in the industry) said yes. They just want to be asked, before you go ahead and use it and credited.

Meaning put a damn tag in your synopsis saying. _this art has been made by ... and all rights go to the original artist.

Most actual/legal artists put their price tags on their art because they cannot live of 15 bucks for a comission that may take them six hours or a day to make.

 

[OtherSlater]

Look, we don't need to be hostile here. Need is what I'm emphasizing on in this thread. Whatever justified animosity is being projected, I don't believe @OtherSlater should be the scapegoat.

I'm a delicate flower, who could insult me :(

 

[TinaMigarlo]

Why it gotta be a business? Like I care first and foremost about the ART. I will work whatever other job to keep my dreams alive. The moment I see my art as work is the day I will no longer exist.

oh, cool. I got several covers for you to get right on. I have AI you can use as a reference. Make it awesome and not bland. And? I want what I want. Not... your interpretation of what you *see*, having never read the book and just talked with me over coffee about it. I mean, if you;re great and this makes you happy? My gift to you.

I'm being facetious.

I'm actually friends with an awesome artist. He's impressive. He really should be a commercial artist, going by his abilities. A friend's wife was writing a children's book. One agent was excited, and told her with no art, it was a no go. She had top pay an artist, then maybe. I showed her his work, she went nuts. my buddy and her had me over one night a while after. Could I deal with the artist. So I took him out for coffee, and here's the thing.

"Yeah, that. See... it was a book explaining conflict to children, through the eyes of birds at war with bad birds. Dude, it was disguised right wing propaganda to brainwash kids to be "Murica! Eff-yeah!" And I can;t believe in that."

"I thought you wanted to be a commercial illustrator. that was your dream."

"Uh huh."

"Here you go. You have a b-l-a-n-k c-h-e-c-k on how much to charge. If her kids book gets priunted? YOU get commercial work to show you did. WIn win. Do you think you get hired to be a commercial illustrator, you pick and choose things? No. Draw this, you draw it."

"I just, like, can't promote that, dude."

(he has trouble living indoors, almost never working, mind you)

I tried to get him to do something for me? He wont draw what I want drawn. He wants to "see" something and be "inspired". Without reading the *&^%ing book, mind you.

artists? You brought AI on yourselves, all I got to say.

 

[OtherSlater]

oh, cool. I got several covers for you to get right on. I have AI you can use as a reference. Make it awesome and not bland. And? I want what I want. Not... your interpretation of what you *see*, having never read the book and just talked with me over coffee about it. I mean, if you;re great and this makes you happy? My gift to you.

I'm being facetious.

I'm actually friends with an awesome artist. He's impressive. He really should be a commercial artist, going by his abilities. A friend's wife was writing a children's book. One agent was excited, and told her with no art, it was a no go. She had top pay an artist, then maybe. I showed her his work, she went nuts. my buddy and her had me over one night a while after. Could I deal with the artist. So I took him out for coffee, and here's the thing.

"Yeah, that. See... it was a book explaining conflict to children, through the eyes of birds at war with bad birds. Dude, it was disguised right wing propaganda to brainwash kids to be "Murica! Eff-yeah!" And I can;t believe in that."

"I thought you wanted to be a commercial illustrator. that was your dream."

"Uh huh."

"Here you go. You have a b-l-a-n-k c-h-e-c-k on how much to charge. If her kids book gets priunted? YOU get commercial work to show you did. WIn win. Do you think you get hired to be a commercial illustrator, you pick and choose things? No. Draw this, you draw it."

"I just, like, can't promote that, dude."

(he has trouble living indoors, almost never working, mind you)

I tried to get him to do something for me? He wont draw what I want drawn. He wants to "see" something and be "inspired". Without reading the *&^%ing book, mind you.

artists? You brought AI on yourselves, all I got to say.

I might be really tired but I computed nothing here. I will sleep and get back to you lol.

 

[CountVanBadger]

You don't have to exaggerate to prove a point

Who's exaggerating? One of the most common points people bring up when defending AI art is that a lot of artists have started charging several hundred dollars for their work, and if you tell them it's for something like a book cover that price can skyrocket into the thousands.

I only paid my friend 50 for my cover.

Ah, my bad. I forgot that everyone else's lived experiences stop mattering when they contradict yours.

replacing US. ALL OF US

Sorry, what was that about not exaggerating to make a point?

I know you love money woo capitalism but I'm in it for the love of the art.

Then you'd be fine paying for every single one of those covers you're demanding people commission, right?

I love artists. Do you?

Do I love individual artists who I know and have impacted my life in some way? Sure. Do I love "artists" as a whole just for the sake of loving artists? No, and claiming you do is pretentious and disingenuous.

Why it gotta be a business?

Are you sticking your fingers in your ears when people say that commissioning artists costs money? Given the rates artists charge, nobody is going to pay for what one rando on a writer's forum considers "real" art for a book they're probably never going to earn a cent from.

Who is demanding?

PAY ARTISTS !!

You can draw yourself even. Learn a new skill with graphic design!

Most people don't want to (or can't) learn a brand new skill just to satisfy the entitled demands of one internet rando who was never going to read their book anyway. But you know what will turn away people who might actually be interested in reading your book? A badly drawn picture or a piece of ugly photoslop trying to pass itself off as a cover.

 

[L1aei]

I'm a delicate flower, who could insult me :(

You've grown petals that are delicate and attractive, but everybody that has reached out to you is complaining about being pricked by your thorns. I'm trying to inform everybody tangled in your rosy disposition they should handle with thicker skin or pull on some gloves if they are that sensitive.

 

[Arkus86]

Idk I hate the hypocrisy some authors have I've seen around the internet. Why do we complain about AI Writing then turn around and use AI art? We are all in this together. You hate all of it or none of it here. If you hate AI Art, then PAY YOUR ARTISTS! They need to eat just like you or I. Idk, It's been simmering in my brain for a while.

For me, the main difference is that this is a free webnovel site, not an art site or professional publishing site.

AI covers are bad, yes, but for a casual author who does not have the money, connections or skill to get a decent human-made cover, on a free webnovel site, it's still better than nothing, I'm not going on a crusade over it. They're here to share their words, not art, that is just a tool to reach wider audience.
On the other hand, you have people who present themselves as authors, but all they do is push out generic AI slop with all its faults and present it as a story. They are frauds, worse than even authors who might write poorly, but at least put in the effort.

Once an author is intending to make money from the novel, it is another matter, but while they're not, they don't owe you anything.

You can draw yourself even. Learn a new skill with graphic design!

Learning takes time. For a few covers or even just one, with no guaranteed result, there is just no point.

You guys don't have to commission from a big time artist, find your local twitter nerd who's slaving away drawing lewds for 50 likes and HOP IN THOSE DMS!

Are you offering yourself? Because if not, that's just hypocrisy, especially since you opened by demanding people pay for artists.