Identity dilemma

[Deleted member 76176]

I phrased the question so badly here that I want to cry.

 

[Deleted member 113259]

It makes sense, yes. But both of you know that you've swapped body here.

You said that you don't remember who you were before, so how exactly would you remember the swap? It would feel like some odd dream. Even if you did remember, in that last scenario one of those two becomes someone who's both nice and murders people so it would be a completely different person that doesn't match the killer or the teacher.

 

[Woolen_Monkey]

I phrased the question so badly here that I want to cry.

It's okay you only messed up a little bit... Okay maybe a little more than a little like a medium amount of messed up.

You said that you don't remember who you were before, so how exactly would you remember the swap? It would feel like some odd dream. Even if you did remember, in that last scenario one of those two becomes someone who's both nice and murders people so it would be a completely different person that doesn't match the killer or the teacher.

Can't you let me be right? I'm going to cry!!! ?

 

[Cipiteca396]

I phrased the question so badly here that I want to cry.

 

[Deleted member 76176]

You said that you don't remember who you were before, so how exactly would you remember the swap? It would feel like some odd dream. Even if you did remember, in that last scenario one of those two becomes someone who's both nice and murders people so it would be a completely different person that doesn't match the killer or the teacher.

Yes. What I meant there is that you'd not have double memories. For you, it'll be like if you have truly swapped bodies, but you know that it is only the mental content that actually changed.

 

[Deleted member 84247]

Yes. What I meant there is that you'd not have double memories. For you, it'll be like if you have truly swapped bodies, but you know that it is only the mental content that actually changed.

I got the meaning of the question.(I think all of this extra explanation is just confusing me)

 

[Woolen_Monkey]

Yes. What I meant there is that you'd not have double memories. For you, it'll be like if you have truly swapped bodies, but you know that it is only the mental content that actually changed.

Hahaha hah. Me BIG BRIAN FOR I AM BALD UAKARI.

 

[Deleted member 76176]

I got the meaning of the question.(I think all of this extra explanation is just confusing me)

is the question phrased fine now? Sorry, my grammar gets awful at times like this.

 

[ArrogantYoungMaster]

Both suffer. You can't expect brain signals to map the same way in a different brain.

 

[Deleted member 84247]

is the question phrased fine currently?

It reads fine to me, and I understood what you meant the first time. Basically, swap my memories to other person, or they swap their memories to me? The million dollar thing is just a bonus, and whoever gets the memories leaves behind a husk.

It reads fine to me, and I understood what you meant the first time. Basically, swap my memories to other person, or they swap their memories to me? The million dollar thing is just a bonus, and whoever gets the memories leaves behind a husk.

I gave my memories to other person, so my husk was left behind.

 

[Deleted member 113259]

It reads fine to me, and I understood what you meant the first time. Basically, swap my memories to other person, or they swap their memories to me? The million dollar thing is just a bonus, and whoever gets the memories leaves behind a husk.

I gave my memories to other person, so my husk was left behind.

This is also something that can be argued in terms of the intent of the question but I'm not going to. Wow, what a swell guy I am.

 

[Woolen_Monkey]

It reads fine to me, and I understood what you meant the first time. Basically, swap my memories to other person, or they swap their memories to me? The million dollar thing is just a bonus, and whoever gets the memories leaves behind a husk.

I gave my memories to another person, so my husk was left behind.

Now here is another thing. What are you going to do outside? Does the body have a family, wife, kid? Any crimes committed. What about your wife or family are you going to reconnect with them. What about for job qualifications?

 

[Deleted member 76176]

It reads fine to me, and I understood what you meant the first time. Basically, swap my memories to other person, or they swap their memories to me? The million dollar thing is just a bonus, and whoever gets the memories leaves behind a husk.

I gave my memories to other person, so my husk was left behind.

I was confused before but now I understand. What I meant was that both of your minds will be altered regardless. The million-dollar thing was a foresight to what you think is your identity. If you pick the body, it means that despite having the memories and stuff of the other person, your body remains the same and thus your identity. If you pick the other captive, you think your identity transfers with your memories. Given in both cases, you choose self-preservation.

 

[Deleted member 84247]

I was confused before but now I understand. What I meant was that both of your minds will be altered regardless. The million-dollar thing was a foresight to what you think is your identity. If you pick the body, it means that despite having the memories and stuff of the other person, your body remains the same and thus your identity. If you pick the other captive, you think your identity transfers with your memories. Given in both cases, you choose self-preservation.

Now I am confused. My brain to smol for this.

 

[Deleted member 76176]

Now I am confused. My brain to smol for this.

I don't know, honestly. This is exactly the same thought experiment I learnt when reading body and memory theory of personal identity.

 

[Deleted member 84247]

I don't know, honestly. This is exactly the same though experiment I learnt when reading body and memory theory of personal identity.

You are fine. I am just not good at understanding some things, and the more the explanation here the more confused I get.

 

[Woolen_Monkey]

You are fine. I am just not good at understanding some things, and the more the explanation here the more confused I get.

You'll get there one day.

 

[Deleted member 84247]

You'll get there one day.

Doubt.

 

[Woolen_Monkey]

Doubt.

It's okay someday you will be as great as this Monkey.

 

[Deleted member 76176]

You are fine. I am just not good at understanding some things, and the more the explanation here the more confused I get.

Here's an article on this:

Bernard Williams On Personal Identity Thought Experiments In “The Self and the Future”

The “body swapping” thought experiment has traditionally been a principal argument in the arsenal for the psychological theory of personal identity (PTPI): The theory that some psychological relati…

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