The problem alot of you do is you use men's issues as a rebuttal, not to spread awareness. I used a few examples of the usually affect peoples in my experiences. You assumed so much about me for simply not saying men. Duh, I empathize with men. You're using men's issues as some weird put down from my simple post about exercising empathy for minorities in WRITING because HISTORICALLY women were used as tools and meat to attract men, and minorities were used for tokens at best and laughing stocks at worst. I won't get into the gender talk with you, this ain't the time or place, and you grown enough to hopefully realize there's a word for what you're doing here. Just stick to writing in this discussion.
Women were not historically oppressed. This is feminist propaganda.
As for minorities, they are the ones doing the oppression now. So yeah, I don't have empathy for that.
The problem alot of you do is you use men's issues as a rebuttal, not to spread awareness. I used a few examples of the usually affect peoples in my experiences. You assumed so much about me for simply not saying men. Duh, I empathize with men. You're using men's issues as some weird put down from my simple post about exercising empathy for minorities in WRITING because HISTORICALLY women were used as tools and meat to attract men, and minorities were used for tokens at best and laughing stocks at worst. I won't get into the gender talk with you, this ain't the time or place, and you grown enough to hopefully realize there's a word for what you're doing here. Just stick to writing in this discussion.
I'm sorry to say that you are confirming exactly the pattern I was expecting. You are not taking your own toxic behaviour into consideration because you deflect any responsibility toward the demographic of your abusers, and you are not open to any critique of your own toxic and discriminatory behaviour. This is sexism and hate speech. Personal trauma doesn't justify aggression in turn against random people. What you are doing right now is a gesture of aggression and discrimination.
Women were not historically oppressed. This is feminist propaganda.
As for minorities, they are the ones doing the oppression now. So yeah, I don't have empathy for that.
I'm sorry to say that you are confirming exactly the pattern I was expecting. You are not taking your own toxic behaviour into consideration because you deflect any responsibility toward the demographic of your abusers, and you are not open to any critique of your own toxic and discriminatory behaviour. This is sexism and hate speech. Personal trauma doesn't justify aggression in turn against random people. What you are doing right now is a gesture of aggression and discrimination.
1) Women were indeed oppressed.
2) Lot of cases of women beaten
3) Patriachy truly was a thing in the past
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4) Indeed nowadays, some women are now oppressing men in lot of cases
Its like chinese country event that changed their whole country, where a old man fell, and profited of his old age, to sue a young man (and destroy its future). Humans KNOW to profit from loopholes. So it isnt that far fetched for women to do the same. Not women but basically human beings do that, men too. Like this (delivery) woman that illegaly entered the appart of this sleeping dude and filmed it and said it was harassment that his BEEP was out. Or lot of men losing custody of children despite the mother being far worse or brainwashing their children their dad is horrible.
5) Feminism turned toxic
Even Feminist Writer of Harry Potter say its now bad.
6) To be honest, feminism that aimed for the goal of "equality" (like voting rights, etc)
now changed their goal into : WOMEN FIRST. MEN BAD.
And their goal is to turn society into a matriachal society like fictions do.
(i love one novel that had the protag do a poem that women arent roses but symbiotic trees)
ps : I hate both men and women, all humans so i got a perfect neutral stance on this shit.
pps : Just like men are disgusting for lot of things (like rape in war), there are also horrible cases where women during WW2, bullied crippled men to the point of suicide. (shrug)
(Edit) TLDR : There is misogyny AND misandry.
The world isnt black and white. The world is gray. And this fact should be a perfect middle ground to whoever is participating in this thread.
If you want a goody two shoes in a clean, black-and-white morality setting, sure. There are a lot of characters I love to watch who are complete unrepentant a-holes with little to no justification. There doesn't always need to be.
I am not trolling you, I am genuine. You might not believe it, but I'm trying to help you. As long as you let this hatred fester, you won't get better. I'm not saying you are a monster, I'm saying you are hurt and hurting others in turn and that make you an agressor like your own agressors did. But you can't read it as such because you predecided what my intent was from the start and are reffusing to see how your behaviour mirrors any mysoginist. Swap the sexes in your head, seriously, see how your answer sounds. How dismissive and hostile it is, purely based on the shape of our genitals.
This is a typical narcissistic wound. I'm not saying you are all narcissistic; I'm saying that specific wound makes you narcissistic in this type of context. The longer you wait to treat this, the more it will twist your personality over time because some part of you is stuck at the moment of trauma.
This is my last answer. I know the pattern you are in; no matter what I say, you see me as an enemy. Anything will be enough to dismiss anything I say, even if it isn't rational, even if it is out of character for you normally. I'm saying think about it later, when you feel calmer in a day or two, take some distance from this conversation and from me to think about it. I'm not asking for excuses either; I gain nothing by humiliating you in any way. I'm simply offering hard-won wisdom because when I was 16, I was on a bridge, and I decided that my own experience would be valuable to others if I survived this.
You think you are getting trolled because let's face it, people like me don't survive for long, let alone can speak about their experience after a very long recovery. There is nearly no help for people like me; there is no love, and there is no empathy, yet I survived by being too stubborn to die, by deciding that my pain was lesser than my desire to help others from similar pain. Please take my intent at face value; it is genuine. I treat you the same way I would treat anyone else behaving like that. I don't take your crap, but I don't hate you for it either. Right now, you need actual help, and you need to do the work, as a violent alcoholic would. If you refuse to, you will hurt people around you long after I'm gone, people you care about, probably.
If you still don't believe me, read my book... it will show you who I am underneath (as the author, the main character is an extreme characterization of my wounded self at age 23... the others are shards at other moments in my life. 1... the me now... is way past any of these characters on the road to recovery)
I hope you take some distance from this, if you ever feel the need to talk, I'll be there, but trust me on this, I will not tolerate more abuses.
When I was really little, like three or four, I would sleep on the couch and I'd have a golden retriever crawl up to join me. So, yeah, even as a kid, doggos displayed unconditional love when I wasn't even aware what a dog was then.
I am not trolling you, I am genuine. You might not believe it, but I'm trying to help you. As long as you let this hatred fester, you won't get better. I'm not saying you are a monster, I'm saying you are hurt and hurting others in turn and that make you an agressor like your own agressors did. But you can't read it as such because you predecided what my intent was from the start and are reffusing to see how your behaviour mirrors any mysoginist. Swap the sexes in your head, seriously, see how your answer sounds. How dismissive and hostile it is, purely based on the shape of our genitals.
This is a typical narcissistic wound. I'm not saying you are all narcissistic; I'm saying that specific wound makes you narcissistic in this type of context. The longer you wait to treat this, the more it will twist your personality over time because some part of you is stuck at the moment of trauma.
This is my last answer. I know the pattern you are in; no matter what I say, you see me as an enemy. Anything will be enough to dismiss anything I say, even if it isn't rational, even if it is out of character for you normally. I'm saying think about it later, when you feel calmer in a day or two, take some distance from this conversation and from me to think about it. I'm not asking for excuses either; I gain nothing by humiliating you in any way. I'm simply offering hard-won wisdom because when I was 16, I was on a bridge, and I decided that my own experience would be valuable to others if I survived this.
You think you are getting trolled because let's face it, people like me don't survive for long, let alone can speak about their experience after a very long recovery. There is nearly no help for people like me; there is no love, and there is no empathy, yet I survived by being too stubborn to die, by deciding that my pain was lesser than my desire to help others from similar pain. Please take my intent at face value; it is genuine. I treat you the same way I would treat anyone else behaving like that. I don't take your crap, but I don't hate you for it either. Right now, you need actual help, and you need to do the work, as a violent alcoholic would. If you refuse to, you will hurt people around you long after I'm gone, people you care about, probably.
If you still don't believe me, read my book... it will show you who I am underneath (as the author, the main character is an extreme characterization of my wounded self at age 23... the others are shards at other moments in my life. 1... the me now... is way past any of these characters on the road to recovery)
I hope you take some distance from this, if you ever feel the need to talk, I'll be there, but trust me on this, I will not tolerate more abuses.
The problem alot of you do is you use men's issues as a rebuttal, not to spread awareness. I used a few examples of the usually affect peoples in my experiences. You assumed so much about me for simply not saying men. Duh, I empathize with men. You're using men's issues as some weird put down from my simple post about exercising empathy for minorities in WRITING because HISTORICALLY women were used as tools and meat to attract men, and minorities were used for tokens at best and laughing stocks at worst. I won't get into the gender talk with you, this ain't the time or place, and you grown enough to hopefully realize there's a word for what you're doing here. Just stick to writing in this discussion.
It's not. I don't claim the book is good; it's harsh and uncompromising, and frankly, I hate advertising with a passion. I'm writing this book for myself more than for others; it was, for a long time, an exorcism for my own trauma. It's genuine about trauma for sure though; I would not speak about it if it wasn't truly à propos in this very specific context.
1) Women were indeed oppressed.
2) Lot of cases of women beaten
3) Patriachy truly was a thing in the past
BUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUT
4) Indeed nowadays, some women are now oppressing men in lot of cases
Its like chinese country event that changed their whole country, where a old man fell, and profited of his old age, to sue a young man (and destroy its future). Humans KNOW to profit from loopholes. So it isnt that far fetched for women to do the same. Not women but basically human beings do that, men too. Like this (delivery) woman that illegaly entered the appart of this sleeping dude and filmed it and said it was harassment that his BEEP was out. Or lot of men losing custody of children despite the mother being far worse or brainwashing their children their dad is horrible.
5) Feminism turned toxic
Even Feminist Writer of Harry Potter say its now bad.
6) To be honest, feminism that aimed for the goal of "equality" (like voting rights, etc)
now changed their goal into : WOMEN FIRST. MEN BAD.
And their goal is to turn society into a matriachal society like fictions do.
(i love one novel that had the protag do a poem that women arent roses but symbiotic trees)
ps : I hate both men and women, all humans so i got a perfect neutral stance on this shit.
pps : Just like men are disgusting for lot of things (like rape in war), there are also horrible cases where women during WW2, bullied crippled men to the point of suicide. (shrug)
(Edit) TLDR : There is misogyny AND misandry.
The world isnt black and white. The world is gray. And this fact should be a perfect middle ground to whoever is participating in this thread.
Actually, you are pretty much with me on the basics, except I wouldn't say every feminists are evil, a lot just didn't get the memo of the current vocal majority (the majority of the vocal part to disambiguate, not the absolute majority) in the movement, and I'm not hating humans. I'm just aware of how messed up we are because, well, fundamentally we didn't evolve for complex societies yet, so our biology is lagging behind our social and technological ambitions so it makes us lash out due to stress and natural blindspots... I have empathy for us as I would for a dog put in a cage all its life, biting the first person trying to pet them... but I wouldn't try to pet them.
I'd also add that there is a LONG history of exploiting men also, only differently, but for the same fundamental goals, for the elites to sustain their personal power. While women were treated as child bearers, men were spent in wars like tokens in a casino. War is hell for soldiers too, not just civilians, but we keep abstracting their suffering as unimportant. The whole hero myth is about a child soldier lucky enough not to get killed (unlike all the other child soldiers' skulls previous owners used to make the dark lord's throne). The myth is literally propaganda that sells to kids: if you're a man, you have to risk your life; otherwise, you are socially worthless. And it tells the girls to wait for the survivors because they are sexy. Sexism is a blade that cuts both ways when you truly stop to think about it.
