Dragon Age Veilguard is completely insufferable.

[RepresentingWrath]

It depends on whether people 'need' what you're making.
Control over food? Profit.
Control over transportation? Profit.
control over a past time people don't need to survive? Can be unprofitable.

Control the game. By remedy.

 

[AnonUnlimited]

-_-

 

[l8rose]

So... if anyone does want to test it out, you can do EA's weird subscription thing for a month and play 4ish hours (it says 5 but getting things set up right will eat into that).

You know, the game would be okay if it wasn't a Dragon Age game. I mean, it wouldn't be an awesome game but it'd be tolerable. And if it was on sale.

I still can't get over how stupid they make the Player Character. Or that we get yeeted into the story already friends with Varric and on a mission to take down the Sad Puppy Dread Wolf.

Spoiler: Also weird...

That everyone is so nonchalant about the starting twist. Sure, it gets revealed later but no one thought to stop for a few moments to have a memorial service or funetal... hell, they didnt even say a few words.

I may end up getting it down the road but probably when it's on sale and there are enough mods out there to make the faces not look like they're made of play dough.

 

[Ellieporter]

Watch me play this game and enjoy the heck out of it.

 

[AnonUnlimited]

Watch me play this game and enjoy the heck out of it.

Stream yourself enjoying it.

 

[l8rose]

Watch me play this game and enjoy the heck out of it.

Do it!

 

[Gray_Mann]

Watch me play this game and enjoy the heck out of it.

Spite is a hell of a drug.

 

[ThrillingHuman]

Owners of the studio

 

[RepresentingDesire]

I honestly think it's a shame lbqt became ever something seen as profitable, lbqt may be able to find a non lbqt audience, but it just can't become truly mainstream especially things that actually talk about lbqt.
The little rant has little with the game to do because it would be shit regardless of it's just shitty portrail of lbqt characters, even without this personal problem of mine it would have been shit.

 

[AnonUnlimited]

I honestly think it's a shame lbqt became ever something seen as profitable, lbqt may be able to find a non lbqt audience, but it just can't become truly mainstream especially things that actually talk about lbqt.
The little rant has little with the game to do because it would be shit regardless of it's just shitty portrail of lbqt characters, even without this personal problem of mine it would have been shit.

I think it could easily become mainstream if they didn't try to preach about it so much. The problem isn't that there is a character that fits that, the problem is that an entire lore is being destroyed just to preach it in a cringy way. It completely ruined the anticipation of the dread wolf story line.

Also, every time I've played Dragon Age, I've played as a lesbian.

 

[Deleted member 84247]

I think it could easily become mainstream if they didn't try to preach about it so much. The problem isn't that there is a character that fits that, the problem is that an entire lore is being destroyed just to preach it in a cringy way. It completely ruined the anticipation of the dread wolf story line.

Also, every time I've played Dragon Age, I've played as a lesbian.

Dark Souls always had gay characters and traps. Nobody said anything because the game just has them. Nobody likes preaching unless they believe whatever the preacher is saying.

 

[AnonUnlimited]

Dark Souls always had gay characters and traps. Nobody said anything because the game just has them. Nobody likes preaching unless they believe whatever the preacher is saying.

That's just the thing, no one likes preachers, religious or woke.

 

[BearlyAlive]

Anyone else feel that "woke" stories are just badly written coming-of-age stories with worse-written characters?

Like you could take a generic (J)RPG story about finding your place in the world and make it "woke" without even losing anything. But no, we gotta use the holier-than-thou-give-up-anakin-i-have-the-moral-high-ground-you-sexist-racist-whateverelseist-bigot-so-buy-my-stuff-or-you're-wore-than-hitler angery Karen card. Every effing time.

 

[AnonUnlimited]

Anyone else feel that "woke" stories are just badly written coming-of-age stories with worse-written characters?

Like you could take a generic (J)RPG story about finding your place in the world and make it "woke" without even losing anything. But no, we gotta use the holier-than-thou-give-up-anakin-i-have-the-moral-high-ground-you-sexist-racist-whateverelseist-bigot-so-buy-my-stuff-or-you're-wore-than-hitler angery Karen card. Every effing time.

Pretty much.
I don't hate 'woke' characters. I hate the way it comes off like it's telling me what to think instead of trying to tell a good story.
It doesn't help that the majority of writers of 'woke' characters are DEI hires who only know how to 'preach to ignorance' rather than making a compelling storyline with difficult decisions.

 

[BearlyAlive]

Pretty much.
I don't hate 'woke' characters. I hate the way it comes off like it's telling me what to think instead of trying to tell a good story.
It doesn't help that the majority of writers of 'woke' characters are DEI hires who only know how to 'preach to ignorance' rather than making a compelling storyline with difficult decisions.

Sadly it's a common problem everywhere. Everything gets streamlined, broken down into inorganic components, and checklisted. And then people wonder why the finished product is lifeless...

 

[RepresentingDesire]

Dark Souls always had gay characters and traps. Nobody said anything because the game just has them. Nobody likes preaching unless they believe whatever the preacher is saying.

This is what I think can become when it comes to lbqt mainstream, doing lbqt romance as well, I see it as good.

It may simply be a personal thing but in stories that deal with lbqt I expect ostracization and body horror because these are just thing that are part of the normal lbqt life.

 

[AnonUnlimited]

Personally, I think it’d be much better if the characters treat it as “normal” in their world. Like, oh… this person is trans… okay let’s not mention it and just let the reader/watcher/gamer decide what to think of it.

Instead, they always make this big deal about it telling us what to think of it.

Unskippable cutscene side quests for gay romance? I mean… would they do it for a straight romance?

Checkboxes are the problem.

 

[l8rose]

In this case, the funny thing about all this is that they had games in the series which already demonstrated how to do it properly.

Dragon Age 2 has all the characters be player sexual (not counting the DLC love interest) but at least two are coded not-straight in the story. While it's never explicitly stated what their preferences are, the starting quest for one of them is to rescue his male partner and the other flirts with anything with legs.

Inquisition handled trans people pretty good as well. Krem is a trans-male and when it's brought up, it's just flat out "that's how he is" and the story contined on.

Woke, or whatever, aside; Veilguard's writing was like boiled dog turds so it's just so much bad.

 

[AnonUnlimited]

In this case, the funny thing about all this is that they had games in the series which already demonstrated how to do it properly.

Dragon Age 2 has all the characters be player sexual (not counting the DLC love interest) but at least two are coded not-straight in the story. While it's never explicitly stated what their preferences are, the starting quest for one of them is to rescue his male partner and the other flirts with anything with legs.

Inquisition handled trans people pretty good as well. Krem is a trans-male and when it's brought up, it's just flat out "that's how he is" and the story contined on.

Woke, or whatever, aside; Veilguard's writing was like boiled dog turds so it's just so much bad.

Which is why I don't get why Veilguard had to go so far off the deep end in forcing a narrative.

Actually, this is one of the reasons I blame DEI (and hate it in the industry), because with each new game they released, they had fewer and fewer of the previous developers who made the first games so successful, this includes the writers.

 

[Deleted member 146224]

Which is why I don't get why Veilguard had to go so far off the deep end in forcing a narrative.

Because it's never enough for those people. There's always something they can be mad about. This is how they make themselves feel better. Don't believe even for a second there's anything deeper than jealousy and pettiness.