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The EARTH expanding would mean that the planet is expanding. Does the earth expand? Is our planet getting bigger as millions of years pass by? Does our gravity change? Does our core burn three times as hot as the sun's surface to supplement something like that? And more importantly, do other planets expand? If not, why not?

I know, I am biting onto the bait, and the worm is doing laps in my tummy, but oh well. There are times when the hangman gets hanged.
Well, first how do we define earth. Do we include the atmosphere and people on here? Or is it just the dirt?

Start with simple questions.
All your other stuff is too complicated when we haven’t even agreed on what earth is
 

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All your other stuff is too complicated when we haven’t even agreed on what earth is
 

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Then... Why do we have no more land? Are you telling me that only the ocean expands and not the land too?

I'm siding with Corty, again.

I mean, he got a point there.

And also, if Earth is growing as we type, where are the signs of it?

This'll get religious, so if you don't want to, we can stop here and now.

Are you trying to be dumb on purpose just to troll out a debate.

Ok. How about this. You have a bank account with an annual interest rate of 0.000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001% growth per year. How many years will it take you to get 1$ out of that, if you only have 1$ in it in the first place?

Answer, 100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 years. It's a ridiculously slow rate of growth, but it's STILL GROWTH YOU FREAKING CLOWN!!!!
 
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Northern Asia countries (mostly China, Japan and Korea) knows very wella about their young suicide rate and have a bajillion plans to combat it, but they neglect it because that'd means they can keep the more boot-licking workers while the weak one dies off and less mouth to feed.

Hence why their amazing overall growth rate.
 

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I heard a good theory once about how the speed of light might not be constant throughout the universe. Like the reason we haven't found alien life is because it functions like a speed limit to keep humanity from interacting with other species. Go fast enough and you get time dilation and enough of that causes weird stuff with relativity but the reality is that travel for light years gets more difficult. It would be easier if the speed of light was higher.

It reminds me of that episode in expanse when they attack the space station and it enforces an ever-slowing speed limit on them so they can't even get out of the anomaly.
 
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Damn, I am always watching conspiracy icebergs and podcast about conspiracies and no cool one comes to my mind. There is this one that most of unexplained disappearances happen next to bushes of berries, so there is someone who believes there is a race of cryptid abductors who eat berries. But I dunno, doesn’t sound that cool. This was my contribution to thread.

Are you trying to be dumb on purpose just to troll out a debate.

Ok. How about this. You have a bank account with an annual interest rate of 0.000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001% growth per year. How many years will it take you to get 1$ out of that, if you only have 1$ in it in the first place?

Answer, 100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 years. It's a ridiculously slow rate of growth, but it's STILL GROWTH YOU FREAKING MORON!!!!
Uhm, even if it is technically true that if you add a stone to a pile of gravel the mass of the pile of gravel increases, we are also shooting satellites and rockets and other stuff into space, so… ARE WE ACTUALLY DECREASING THE MASS OF EARTH?
 

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Damn, I am always watching conspiracy icebergs and podcast about conspiracies and no cool one comes to my mind. There is this one that most of unexplained disappearances happen next to bushes of berries, so there is someone who believes there is a race of cryptid abductors who eat berries. But I dunno, doesn’t sound that cool. This was my contribution to thread.


Uhm, even if it is technically true that if you add a stone to a pile of gravel the mass of the pile of gravel increases, we are also shooting satellites and rockets and other stuff into space, so… ARE WE ACTUALLY DECREASING THE MASS OF EARTH?

1st. That's a comparatively recent development. The past 70 or so years marks the first time in history we're actually offloading things from Earth.

2nd. We are only shooting a few things up into space per year. But, how does this compare to what's being added to the earth? Have you ever seen a shooting star? How about heard of one? Shooting stars are the result of comets that got close enough to Earth to begin burning in Earth's atmosphere.

If they are burning, that means every single one of them is releasing dust into the atmosphere, a portion of which will settle down to the surface and add to Earth's mass.

Now, is this enough to exceed what we are launching into space right now? I actually do not have the answer to that. You'd have to ask someone a lot more familiar with astronomy than I am. But, this does at least tell us where to start looking if we want to get answers.

(Also, I would like to say thank you for actually asking an intelligent question in regards to this matter.)
 

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(Also, I would like to say thank you for actually asking an intelligent question in regards to this matter.)
  • What would the planet's size be in the Mesozoic era if we were expanding?
  • Or in the Jurassic era?
  • Do other planets expand to? Why doesn't the Moon grow, then?
  • What about Jupiter? Will it turn into a sun one day?
  • Wait, was the Earth smaller in the Cambrian period?
  • What's going on in the middle of the planet if we are expanding?
  • How do you account for Eratosthene's calculations of the circumference of the earth not being significantly wrong even though 2000+ years have passed?
  • Wouldn't this fuck with the atmospheric pressure of our planet? If we were smaller back then, preventing life? Are we going to expand so big we suffocate one day?
While trying to explain the answers to my dumb-dumb head, O arbiter of knowledge, others can read the following part below.

Not my comment, but I found it interesting:

I wanted to see if I could run the numbers and test how ridiculously contrived this hypothesis would have to be if it were true. I assumed that for the Earth to expand, the mantle and core would have to behave like an expanding fluid. Honestly, it's the only physical process I can think of that even barely works, but it still fails horrifically. Here's what the thermodynamics say:

1. The core of the Earth would have an average temperature of around 17,760 K (~3 times the surface temperature of the Sun). a) Temperatures like this aren't impossible to find in the universe, but they're not likely for a smaller planet like ours. To put it in perspective, it would be like stuffing Saturn's hot core into a planet the size of Mars! I’m no expert in geology, but I’d be amazed if extreme conditions like that didn’t leave long-lasting marks on our planet. b) If Earth's heat flow had been relatively consistent throughout its history, the cooldown time of the Earth's core to its current temperature would have taken more than three times the entire age of the universe!

2. An expanding Earth would also have started with a surface gravity of 33.8 m/s² (about 3.4 Gs, or 1.4 times Jupiter's surface gravity). I don't care how oxygen-dense the surface might be; the bones of megafauna would simply be unable to keep up. Hell, fuana on the humans scale would have struggled.

3. I found that the early thermal pressure of the core and mantle could provide up to 75% of the energy needed to break Earth's binding energy. For those who don’t know, energy amounts above Earth's binding energy are enough to physically obliterate the planet. That’s one Earth-Theia collision event away from shattering the planet into oblivion. a) Speaking of which, why can't we see any visible signs of inflation on the Moon? Old craters still retain their shape, marks, and ridges, yet expansion should suggest that craters would smooth out over time or at least be discontinuous. b) If I use the same process for Jupiter, it highly suggest that Jupiter should have started off as possible Brown Dwarf star. When fusion starts, it's hard to stop. Yet for some reason, Jupiter just decided to change career paths I guess.

4. I also found that the core density of an expanding Earth would have started at half the density of the Sun's core. Which brings an important question: What would even cause these insane initial conditions to form anyway? We're talking about stellar-level packing on a random dusty ball in the middle of nowhere space. a) We have a scenario where, for some reason, all the elements of the Earth are compressed beyond there natural sizes for a planet like ours. b) Conditions like this would have made it nearly impossible for complex life to form as early as it did. Part of me feels like it's a gateway to creationist Earth hypotheses (be it Scientology or whatnot) there are just to many unexplainable questions as to why Earth started off so unnaturally

5. Furthermore, why don’t we see evidence of planet expansion elsewhere in the universe? As we look into deeper regions of space, redshift should allow us to see the early universe. We should see exoplanets that are smaller on average than in the early universe vs. those in the later universe, but we don’t observe that trend at all. And if this mechanism works on our planet, why don’t we see it on larger-scale objects like galaxies? Don’t get it confused—the universe itself is expanding (i.e., the distances between objects), but gravitationally bound structures like galaxies don’t change size for no reason. These are also structures that tend to have more outward pressure, unlike Earth. But no expansion to speak of.
 

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Unfortunately I live with one. It's so bad she thinks 5G and vaccines are evil or whatever. And absolutely everything has some hidden meaning.
One of the crap youtube shorts that pops up on her notifications is trying to tell people the closing show of the olympics is a satanic ritual and that the ring they put was somehow a 'nazi' symbol.

Like no, not every 'circle with 4 lines coming out' is nazi symbolism. For that matter every conspiracy trying to make everything symbolic of evil conveniently forget the fact that a swastika never originally stood for nazi in the first place. It was a hindu symbol of prosperity for god's sake. Then it got rotated 45 degrees and you know the rest.
hmm yes, corona was not a biological weapon. yes the vaccines were not an untested cash grab
 

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This'll get religious, so if you don't want to, we can stop here and now.
I'm fine with that, as I am religious myself, but rules say no religion therefore we shouldn't. If you want to, you may PM me and we can talk about it, or, if you don't want to undergo alot of religious and philosophical conversation, we can leave it, whichever you prefer
 

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@Corty I believe I asked you in another thread to stop making any and all replies to me. You have a history of harassment here. I will re-itterate it in this thread. Any and all interaction from you is unwelcome.
 

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@Corty I believe I asked you in another thread to stop making any and all replies to me. You have a history of harassment here. I will re-itterate it in this thread. Any and all interaction from you is unwelcome.
I am asking you questions because I think you are wrong. Simple. Plus, you started by quoting me buddy
 

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Conspiracies theories are part of the reason why I have the ideology I have.
People see only truths they accept and reality allows for interpretation, if you desire a truth you only need time to find it.
 

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Anyway, I just heard a theory about how Flat-Earther misunderstood Terry Pratchett's Discworld books and thought they were medieval facts.
 

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Are you trying to be dumb on purpose just to troll out a debate.

Ok. How about this. You have a bank account with an annual interest rate of 0.000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001% growth per year. How many years will it take you to get 1$ out of that, if you only have 1$ in it in the first place?

Answer, 100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 years. It's a ridiculously slow rate of growth, but it's STILL GROWTH YOU FREAKING CLOWN!!!!
So it's insignificant, isn't it? We all die first before we see a big blunt appear on earth.

Also, no. I am actually asking you because I want to know just how impactful the earth expansion is to my life.
Anyway, I just heard a theory about how Flat-Earther misunderstood Terry Pratchett's Discworld books and thought they were medieval facts.
Lol
I am asking you questions because I think you are wrong. Simple. Plus, you started by quoting me buddy
He forgor he quoted you, oh no.

And we're all are curious beings, so pardon us.
I'm fine with that, as I am religious myself, but rules say no religion therefore we shouldn't. If you want to, you may PM me and we can talk about it, or, if you don't want to undergo alot of religious and philosophical conversation, we can leave it, whichever you prefer
I was asking if you'll get disturbed or not. But since you said that, Ima go PM you.
 
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This warlord has watched a snippet of the video, and would probably watch more in my free time, but this warlord has a comment on this.

Be advised, this warlord is not an astrophysics, but this warlord have story drafts that has power system based on the movement of the stars. Said power system is not arbitrarily written, but based on some surface-depth research regarding celestial bodies over the course of a few years during my university days. It was a fun pastime. It goes on like this:

Celestial bodies (such as stars and planets), are basically space dusts that contain all sorts of elements like lead, platinum, gold, etc. They got stuck with each other over the course of a period of time while they were drifting in space. Once they reached critical mass (don't rely on me on the numbers), this lump of material started to generate gravity. With gravity, more space dusts are drawn upon it. During this phase, a celestial object CAN be considered as 'growing', as they literally gained mass and volume with each passing moment. However, once it gain sufficient mass and more mass meant more gravity, the 'core' of the object are subjected to extreme pressure of said mass, which eventually turned it into a liquid core, typically made out of molten metal.

Again, am not an expert at this so correct me if am wrong, but once a liquid core is formed and ignited, said celestial body will eventually create magnetic field due to its interaction with the celestial body's mantel. This magnetic field is what protect the celestial body from solar winds and debris, so accumulation of mass through debris shouldn't be able to continue as easy as it was before. It is, to a certain degree, can be considered as the phase where a celestial body 'stopped' growing. Of course, there are some celestial bodies who, despite having a core, failed to ignite it, thus becoming barren planets with no atmosphere or having weak magnetic field. I can't say anything for planet with no atmosphere or weak magnetic field, but we're talking about earth.

So unless we developed a higher ability to do science, 'Earth does not Grow' can be considered as a fact, which if you're not familiar with the scientific world, is literally how we do science.
 

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So, uhm...democracy is so romanticized today that if you side with authoritarianism, you'd automatically be viewed as the bad guy.

However, this thread is a great example for those who would argue about the bad side of democracy. As you turn the page, the demo (bait video) gets even more crazy (the thread replies)! Nothing gets actually done (your stories still gather dust, while everyone is so engaged in proving the other is stupid), and we all look like monkeys banging our heads to nonsense.

Make it make sense, people! We're authors, not scientists. No matter how deep the research we make, it's still just browsing through google, not actually doing some calculations and using gadgets for testing the hypotheses. As such, we can only speculate based on what we read, not prove a theory.

Freedom of speech got so fked, opinions that spread stupid ideas are given voices, and people are not educated enough to 'test' whether these ridiculous concepts are truly applicable.

*Takes a deep breath

Okay rant over. Go back to debating each other.
 
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So, uhm...democracy is so romanticized today that if you side with authoritarianism, you'd automatically be viewed as the bad guy.

However, this thread is a great example for those who would argue about the bad side of democracy. As you turn the page, the demo (bait video) gets even more crazy (the thread replies)! Nothing gets actually done (your stories still gather dust, while everyone is so engaged in proving the other is stupid), and we all look like monkeys banging our heads to nonsense.

Make it make sense, people! We're authors, not scientists. No matter how deep the research we make, it's still just browsing through google, not actually doing some calculations and using gadgets for testing the hypotheses. As such, we can only speculate based on what we read, not prove a theory.

Freedom of speech got so fked, opinions that spread stupid ideas are given voices, and people are not educated enough to 'test' whether these ridiculous concepts are truly applicable.

*Takes a deep breath

Okay rant over. Go back to debating each other.
The craziest and most unbelievable conspiracy theory that I doubted has never truly changed.
It goes on like this:
Everything is going to be alright in the end.
 
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