Can We Fix Isekai? (Lost Zoro Story)

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Basically, these are the accusations leveled against Isekai:
7. It Relies Too Much On Stereotypes
6. The Harem Issue Is Getting Out Of Control
5. The Demon Lord/King Conundrum
4. Excessive Use Of CGI And Even AI
3. The Level Of Fan Service Is Over 9000
2. It Relies Too Much On Cliché Tropes
1. Excess Of Visual Impact

Basically, instead of creating a satisfying world, they pull overworked Japanese, who are probably a stand-in for artists forced to make this crap and give them a wish-fulfillment fantasy. They give them a harem, where there is no satisfying romance element but instead a bunch of half-developed bimbos who all LOOOOVE the hero so much that they don't fight and instead unrealistically all hang out with the hero. There is a demon king because the story needs a protagonist, but he has almost no development, and it wouldn't matter if he did. The idea is so cut and paste, that the studio might even fire the creative team and just get ChatGPT to draw the anime. The "genre" is essentially junk food, geared toward giving "fans" cliches they want, without bothering to ask what sort of fans these are. Like, should we really be catering to the sort of scumbags that think slavery and polygamy is okay?
Yeah, yeah, I know. "Whoa, harsh! Quit being so close-minded! It's okay if I like it." No. It's bad, and it's time you finally feel bad about finding the enslavement of women and beastkin socially admirable. Just as guro isn't a "niche" but a sign of possible psychopathy.

With that said, I wonder if someone here can draft a better story that is an isekai?

One of the commenters on another link ( https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=2179117 ) said,
Sooner or later, Zoro is going to get lost and end up transported to another world, I swear to God.
And then I thought about it, and I decided, "This might actually be better than some of the crap that is churned out." Why? Well...
1. He is an already developed character, making this more of a fanwork of the character than complete from scratch isekai xerox with no personality.
2. As such, we can lay ground rules:
a. No cheats. He already has established powers.
b. No harem. Zoro has rather specific views on love which make him other monogamous or straight up without a romantic interest.
c. No RPG elements like status screen or levels or inventory. Zoro carries only his swords, gains power by lifting crazy amounts of weights, and doesn't even understand numbers (he's an idiot, more or less).
3. Whatever setting Zoro is tossed into, as we saw from Kumo blasting him somewhere, Zoro is Zoro. The elements of the Demon Lord, social disorder, whether it's a pirate world or a future setting like Vegapunk, Zoro changes the least of One Piece characters.
4. The point of an isekai should not be being overpowered (I watched an isekai last night where the god basically wrote cheats on a piece of paper, and before ten minutes were done, I stopped watching) but rather to have a disadvantage in combat. Zoro frequently fights wounded or outmatched in some way. It's all about the battles.

So ummm, make a Zoro fanfic isekai concept that I would actually want to read.
 

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The term Isekai could apply equally to various reincarnation stories, or stories where a character winds up on another world - by purely technical definition, Clayface was right in Suicide Squad: Isekai when he claimed the entire team was Isekai'd. But by common usage, they were sent on a Portal Fantasy Trip, much like the kids in the Narnia novels and a bunch of others like them.
 

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You want us to write a fanfic? That's the worst thing you ever asked for-nya.

Also.
gains power by lifting crazy amounts of weights, and doesn't even understand numbers (he's an idiot, more or less).
That is also a cheat, no? In the story of OP, he gets stronger through experiences via battles.
No cheats. He already has established powers
What kind of powers? Do you mean he still has Haki? Or the forbidden four sword style?
 
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LMAO... that was a hell of a rant for just wanting a zoro fanfic.

I won't comment on your opinions, as we all have one and should be entitled to it.

However, I started making a Zorro isekai in my head, my Mexican robin hood hero being sent to some isekai world, then realized you meant that One Piece Zoro, so I lost interest. =)

You are right about one thing though, there are not many monogamy stories within the isekai genre, poly/harem being the norm. I would love to read something like that someday, and maybe I will write something like that later on. Until then, I will keep doing what I am doing.
 

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Zoro woke up in a strange, brightly lit place. This seemed strange, as that massive boulder had seemed certain to end her* life.
Someone was calling Zoro's name, though so she must still be alive. She glanced around, and saw a group of young people dressed in odd, white, button down shirts and black slacks holding odd devices to their faces. One said: "You have reached Zoro. I am Hikaru. How may I help you today?"
Zoro noticed a device like the one this 'Hikaru' held was at her side - and making a hideous noise. A young woman passed by and said: "Go on - answer it. Use the script if you aren't up to winging it!"
Looking around, Zoro saw a piece of paper that read:
"Inform the caller that they have reached Zoro Business Supplies**
Give your personal name (but not your family name)
Offer to help"
Suddenly that boulder seemed like a good idea...

(* going from the art I've seen - never saw the show so guessing, really)
(** Just had a pop-up advertising this actual store turn up while reading this post...)
(One of my first posts here was an "anti-Isekai" story - a guy who made a living writing (bad) isekai (only made money because his mom owned the publisher and bought just enough copies to have it debut on bestseller lists every time) is hit by a truck after selling his one hundredth bad isekai story - and told he'll be sent back to Earth, not a magical world or something, but Earth, as a schoolgirl - no, not a magical girl, maybe he'll have a bit of a system but not much of one, but mostly just a school girl).
 

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Zoro changes the least of One Piece characters.
Oh... I thought you meant Zorro.

I was a little confused, but it still kinda made sense until you said that.

If I had the time, I would absolutely write a Zorro isekai.
 

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Basically, these are the accusations leveled against Isekai:
7. It Relies Too Much On Stereotypes
6. The Harem Issue Is Getting Out Of Control
5. The Demon Lord/King Conundrum
4. Excessive Use Of CGI And Even AI
3. The Level Of Fan Service Is Over 9000
2. It Relies Too Much On Cliché Tropes
1. Excess Of Visual Impact

Basically, instead of creating a satisfying world, they pull overworked Japanese, who are probably a stand-in for artists forced to make this crap and give them a wish-fulfillment fantasy. They give them a harem, where there is no satisfying romance element but instead a bunch of half-developed bimbos who all LOOOOVE the hero so much that they don't fight and instead unrealistically all hang out with the hero. There is a demon king because the story needs a protagonist, but he has almost no development, and it wouldn't matter if he did. The idea is so cut and paste, that the studio might even fire the creative team and just get ChatGPT to draw the anime. The "genre" is essentially junk food, geared toward giving "fans" cliches they want, without bothering to ask what sort of fans these are. Like, should we really be catering to the sort of scumbags that think slavery and polygamy is okay?
Yeah, yeah, I know. "Whoa, harsh! Quit being so close-minded! It's okay if I like it." No. It's bad, and it's time you finally feel bad about finding the enslavement of women and beastkin socially admirable. Just as guro isn't a "niche" but a sign of possible psychopathy.

With that said, I wonder if someone here can draft a better story that is an isekai?

One of the commenters on another link ( https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=2179117 ) said,

And then I thought about it, and I decided, "This might actually be better than some of the crap that is churned out." Why? Well...
1. He is an already developed character, making this more of a fanwork of the character than complete from scratch isekai xerox with no personality.
2. As such, we can lay ground rules:
a. No cheats. He already has established powers.
b. No harem. Zoro has rather specific views on love which make him other monogamous or straight up without a romantic interest.
c. No RPG elements like status screen or levels or inventory. Zoro carries only his swords, gains power by lifting crazy amounts of weights, and doesn't even understand numbers (he's an idiot, more or less).
3. Whatever setting Zoro is tossed into, as we saw from Kumo blasting him somewhere, Zoro is Zoro. The elements of the Demon Lord, social disorder, whether it's a pirate world or a future setting like Vegapunk, Zoro changes the least of One Piece characters.
4. The point of an isekai should not be being overpowered (I watched an isekai last night where the god basically wrote cheats on a piece of paper, and before ten minutes were done, I stopped watching) but rather to have a disadvantage in combat. Zoro frequently fights wounded or outmatched in some way. It's all about the battles.

So ummm, make a Zoro fanfic isekai concept that I would actually want to read.
This is why I enjoy crossover works , because they sidestep all of the issues you brought up... usually. They bring in an established character, either developed or undeveloped, force them to deal with disadvantageous circumstances, and there's usually no cheat skill or harem. And usually, it's either monogamous or no pairing.
 

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A Zorro isekai would go hard.

EL ZORRO Y EL MUNDO DE ISEKAI | WEBTOON Oh shit. Someone at least tried to make one.

Fix isekai by telling the audience to no be like that gamerrant article. It's not "overworked manga artist" as a plugin. It is and always has been their work culture that is the stand in that gets isekai'd.

The harem elements simply going back to its roots of "random ass ball of girls" around a male protag instead of the lukewarm "trying" at any type of romance. Ignore the west for that.

Simply don't ignore the demon king and turn it into a background thing that will be brought up ten volumes/seasons from now.

CGI hasn't been a problem it has been the adaptation of the stories. Same bullshit as the hand-drawn vs cgi debate from ages ago.

Fanservice is exactly that and will never be whatever excuse imbeciles come up with to try to demonize it. It's for the fans not the random ass bitch.

Cliches and Stereotypes are the entire genre. Did this guy forget you're supposed to smoke crack not pour it into a gallon of water and chug it through the ass? The fuck was that reasoning?

It ends with a "wrong audience". Pussyfooting with the genre causes no money to show up. The "wrong audience" are the ones who pay. It's a non issue that doesn't "need" to be fixed.
 

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You want us to write a fanfic? That's the worst thing you ever asked for-nya.
Most Isekai these days is not just fanfic, but the worst kind of Fanfic = the Wish-Fulfillment Self-Insert Mary Sue Fanfic,

The Harry Potter Vampire Self-insert fanfic "My immortal" type of worst.(Just How many MC/FMC ln those self-insert isekai just blatantly takes estabilished villain/villainess as trophy waifu/husbando)

The kind of trashes that were cast out in the fanfic community.

And they made it into to the "Mainstream-media", even turning them into Anime.

It's like pulling the worst kind of trashes from the trashbins of the slums, that were considered bad even by the residents of the slums themselves,

Then somebody got the genius idea of serving those insanely bad trashes into the platter of 5 star estabilishment.
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