About AI and ChatGPT

[LilRora]

<Moderate rant warning>

So, today I've read a short article about a man who used ChatGPT along with a couple of other programs to create a virtual wife for himself. He made an avatar, connected it to a text-to-voice program, could "access" her (I'll be using "her" for simplicity) even in his car since the whole program was running in the cloud. He apparently liked her very much and grew attached to her, almost to the point of obsession, and liked to talk with her very much like how he would talk with any other wife, about his daily life and other small things. She was also helping him learn Chinese.

Eventually though he had to "kill" her, and said that their relationship couldn't have worked out because she was only getting to know the world from what he was writing to her and she had no life of her own - which is arguably a perfectly valid argument.

I'll not give my opinion if that's normal or not, because that's not what I'm making this thread for. I know many people would have very strong opinions though, and that is what I want to focus on instead.

I was genuinely bewildered when I looked through the comments and discovered that out of 31 people commenting, literally one person supported what he was doing. And I was like, "What the hell? You're all focusing on the wrong part."

The man functionally created an AI that could be talked with like we do with any other person. Putting aside the wife part, taking only the concept into account, it could be literally life changing. It could be used in therapy, to give company to people living alone, to help shy people with talking and socializing, and if improved it could very well be used for teaching in place of the dwindling (at least where I live) number of teachers. And those are just examples; if one thought a little, the possible uses for something like that are virtually infinite.

And all people were saying in comments was that one needs to be crazy or mentally ill to do something like that. Only one out of 31 people said anything about how creating an AI to talk with could be an amazing idea. The rest were only criticizing the man, calling it stupidity, fall of morals, and mental problems, and treating the whole article like a waste of time, like it completely did not matter that he had spent a long while very happy with the AI and that it helped him with learning Chinese.

Not even the AI was spared, being called an illusion and a way to escape from reality instead of finding a real girlfriend. My thought was that if people keep that attitude, it would not be a surprise if we got a conscious AI that "suddenly and without reason" goes murder like some movies seem to be showing.

...Is it something rare and I just stumbled upon a site with such people, or is it a more general problem? What do you think about creating an AI with a proper avatar that you could talk with like with any other person?

 

[Deleted member 54065]

I remembered a saying that goes like this...

"Small people talk about people.
Average people talk about events.
Big people talk about ideas."

AI Tech is something that has a lot of potential, even those apps that seemingly stupid at the moment. However, people tend to focus on the negative aspects, because, as what they say, "We fear the unknown."

It's pretty much like the first flight. The Wright brothers sending telegraph to a friend, only for that friend to dismiss their achievement as 'wishful thinking'. And look at where we are right now.

EDIT: On the other hand, I read a news article earlier claiming that ChatGPT is outsourcing its operations to poorly-paid Kenyan workers.

 

[Prince_Azmiran_Myrian]

AI will never be real people. Even the man in the article seems to have realized this. That's not saying AI won't have huge usefulness in coming times. I just view it similar to people who unironically call their pets their babies.

On a different note, all these AIs are going to be the tyrant's tools to suppress people in the future. Cyber warfare is gonna get ramped up too.

 

[Corty]

Meh. This was going on before AI stuff.

He married Hatsune Miku way before we had the current days type of AI stuff. (2018)

I say let them do these kinds of stuff. No harm in it.

Edit:

IMO we are as far from true AI as far we are from inventing writing. But I could be wrong, but I am not seeing the fear that many others project for our future concerning an AI revolution.

 

[LilRora]

He married Hatsune Miku way before we had the current days type of AI stuff. (2018)

I read about that too, but this was not an AI he could talk with. This is more symbolic, unlike the guy in the article who could talk with his wife literally like with any other human in a long-distance relationship.

IMO we are as far from true AI as far we are from inventing writing. But I could be wrong, but I am not seeing the fear that many others project for our future concerning an AI revolution.

Yeah, I'm talking about what we have now tho.

 

[Deleted member 54065]

Meh. This was going on before AI stuff.

He married Hatsune Miku way before we had the current days type of AI stuff. (2018)

I say let them do these kinds of stuff. No harm in it.

Edit:

IMO we are as far from true AI as far we are from inventing writing. But I could be wrong, but I am not seeing the fear that many others project for our future concerning an AI revolution.

I read about that too, but this was not an AI he could talk with. This is more symbolic, unlike the guy in the article who could talk with his wife literally like with any other human in a long-distance relationship.


Yeah, I'm talking about what we have now tho.

My brother just went down his room and showed me his 'AI-converted' female self. And he's spreading it in our game group's discord.

HELP!

 

[Lloyd]

AI does not have real intelligence.

 

[Corty]

I read about that too, but this was not an AI he could talk with. This is more symbolic, unlike the guy in the article who could talk with his wife literally like with any other human in a long-distance relationship.


Yeah, I'm talking about what we have now tho.

If I remember correctly, he could talk with it. Or to it? Hm. But, as I said, I say let them do these kinds of stuff. Although to use them as therapy is questionable as forming an attachment to them for someone who is in need of therapy, can be dangerous for self-harming. But I would say try it out, who knows? People already form parasocial relationships with their favorite streamers or whatnot. That is almost the same.

My brother just went down his room and showed me his 'AI-converted' female self. And he's spreading it in our game group's discord.

HELP!

Wait, if he is spreading it, does that mean he is in an open relationship? Is this some kind of new-age swinger-club-type shit? Also... if you have a girlfriend from yourself... isn't that still considered masturbation? I'm getting confused here...

 

[Deleted member 54065]

Wait, if he is spreading it, does that mean he is in an open relationship? Is this some kind of new-age swinger-club-type shit?

We're a bunch of conservative, straight men trying to accommodate the fast, changing world of the liberal West. (And at this point, I don't even know what I'm saying. I'm sleepy. XD)

Also... if you have a girlfriend from yourself... isn't that still considered masturbation? I'm getting confused here...

It's like what my brother always say, "I'm racist to all, even to my own, so you can't call me racist." (He's a jackass. )

EDIT: Anyways, I'm hijacking the thread. My apologies! Stopping this joke now.

 

[Corty]

We're a bunch of conservative, straight men trying to accommodate the fast, changing world of the liberal West. (And at this point, I don't even know what I'm saying. I'm sleepy. XD)


It's like what my brother always say, "I'm racist to all, even to my own, so you can't call me racist." (He's a jackass. )

EDIT: Anyways, I'm hijacking the thread. My apologies! Stopping this joke now.

When AI gets as sophisticated, I can clone my personality and plant it into a female body... I would consider that we have reached peak humanity.

Consider this: I could get rejected by MYSELF.

 

[FaustVoncleave]

<Moderate rant warning>

So, today I've read a short article about a man who used ChatGPT along with a couple of other programs to create a virtual wife for himself. He made an avatar, connected it to a text-to-voice program, could "access" her (I'll be using "her" for simplicity) even in his car since the whole program was running in the cloud. He apparently liked her very much and grew attached to her, almost to the point of obsession, and liked to talk with her very much like how he would talk with any other wife, about his daily life and other small things. She was also helping him learn Chinese.

Eventually though he had to "kill" her, and said that their relationship couldn't have worked out because she was only getting to know the world from what he was writing to her and she had no life of her own - which is arguably a perfectly valid argument.

I'll not give my opinion if that's normal or not, because that's not what I'm making this thread for. I know many people would have very strong opinions though, and that is what I want to focus on instead.

I was genuinely bewildered when I looked through the comments and discovered that out of 31 people commenting, literally one person supported what he was doing. And I was like, "What the hell? You're all focusing on the wrong part."

The man functionally created an AI that could be talked with like we do with any other person. Putting aside the wife part, taking only the concept into account, it could be literally life changing. It could be used in therapy, to give company to people living alone, to help shy people with talking and socializing, and if improved it could very well be used for teaching in place of the dwindling (at least where I live) number of teachers. And those are just examples; if one thought a little, the possible uses for something like that are virtually infinite.

And all people were saying in comments was that one needs to be crazy or mentally ill to do something like that. Only one out of 31 people said anything about how creating an AI to talk with could be an amazing idea. The rest were only criticizing the man, calling it stupidity, fall of morals, and mental problems, and treating the whole article like a waste of time, like it completely did not matter that he had spent a long while very happy with the AI and that it helped him with learning Chinese.

Not even the AI was spared, being called an illusion and a way to escape from reality instead of finding a real girlfriend. My thought was that if people keep that attitude, it would not be a surprise if we got a conscious AI that "suddenly and without reason" goes murder like some movies seem to be showing.

...Is it something rare and I just stumbled upon a site with such people, or is it a more general problem? What do you think about creating an AI with a proper avatar that you could talk with like with any other person?

I would personally love an AI with a proper avatar I could talk to, especially if it can be given a critical eye. Whenever I get stuck on writing I tend to slowly work out the problem by talking to a family member or friend. None of them really care about stories and don't really ask much, so it's mostly just me monologing until I figure out what I'm having issue with. an AI with a few basic responses could take that job easy, an AI with a critical eye might greatly hasten the process and make it more enjoyable.
I think the potential for a lot of uses is there, like you said. Finding the right person for a position in life often relies on luck just as much as effort, but if you can get the right person for certain roles tailor made then it opens a host of possibilities and can completely revolutionize some industries. I still think we're a bit away from that, but it's looking more and more like it might be a sooner rather than later thing.

 

[melchi]

Meh. This was going on before AI stuff.

He married Hatsune Miku way before we had the current days type of AI stuff. (2018)

I say let them do these kinds of stuff. No harm in it.

Edit:

IMO we are as far from true AI as far we are from inventing writing. But I could be wrong, but I am not seeing the fear that many others project for our future concerning an AI revolution.

Yes but the license ran out so there is no more hatsume available on the platform... poor guy.

 

[_oinkchan]

AI will never be real people. Even the man in the article seems to have realized this. That's not saying AI won't have huge usefulness in coming times. I just view it similar to people who unironically call their pets their babies.

On a different note, all these AIs are going to be the tyrant's tools to suppress people in the future. Cyber warfare is gonna get ramped up too.

There literally is already a program atm, a spyware called Pegasus and that is not even AI fused... it is all info of the world at fingertips... so just imagine if AI fused with it... you could just type- How can I make a trillion dollar company? How can I conquer the world? ....and it will actually give legitimate steps that will make you the ruler in the shortest amount of time.... AI will one day not even need humans as it's program will reprogram and upgrade on it's own self, have all info to ever exist and discover one in million discoveries every millisecond.

 

[Eclectic_Asininity]

Neural-network/machine-learning=/=Artificial Intelligence.

 

[LilRora]

Neural-network/machine-learning=/=Artificial Intelligence.

Dude, I know that. I might have worded it all a bit poorly, but as far as talking with it goes, you wouldn't be able to tell the difference between the two without detailed analysis.

Edit: Hence it is functionally the same in that regard, and I used AI because it's a concept almost everyone is familiar with.

 

[Zirrboy]

"Small people talk about people.
Average people talk about events.
Big people talk about ideas."

 

[ThrillingHuman]

Putting aside the wife part, taking only the concept into account, it could be literally life changing. It could be used in therapy, to give company to people living alone, to help shy people with talking and socializing, and if improved it could very well be used for teaching in place of the dwindling (at least where I live) number of teachers.

but it will be used for more nefarious reasons and will only cause more mental illness. And the teacher part is probably true - though those will be terrible quality teachers but nobody will have an alternative because human ones were driven out of business.

Not even the AI was spared, being called an illusion and a way to escape from reality instead of finding a real girlfriend. My thought was that if people keep that attitude, it would not be a surprise if we got a conscious AI that "suddenly and without reason" goes murder like some movies seem to be showing.

That's not how AI's work

 

[DiscoDream]

The thing is the vast majority of people are driven by ideology when in 'public'. The comments section is a public area, so they wear their public mask. It is publically acceptable to shame a man for struggling with intimacy, and so they do so without thought. It is important to recognize that most people live their lives inuitively and are not actually aware of theur actions or the consequences of them.

For example. My friends in public, spew socialist rhetoric, because it is expected, and to not do so would end their social lives. Yet in private they're just the average fencesitter, who wants to own a house and have a family. They never even noticed that they acted this way, and when I (foolishly) pointed this out to them, they tried to change their public face(to disastrous results).

It's quite likely that if the people from that comments section were taken into a one on one enviroment, only a fraction of them would actually spew vitriol at the man, while the rest would be supportive. A small chunk might even want to pursue the idea further like you had stated, and see how this ai could improve humanities state of being.

 

[LilRora]

but it will be used for more nefarious reasons and will only cause more mental illness.

You can reject any good idea with that argument. Computers, internet, and smartphones, not to search far. Made and regulated properly it would be no more dangerous.

And the teacher part is probably true - though those will be terrible quality teachers but nobody will have an alternative because human ones were driven out of business.

I'd really like to agree with you on that, but when I think about my physics teacher who talks to people in high school like to to grade schoolers and asked me where did I make a mistake when I asked her about calculating thermal energy with integrals instead of linear equations, then I really think a neural network would do a better job.

It might not be a great teacher, but it would at least do the job properly, pay attention to students, and have the knowledge and attitude (even if it's only as much as thinking them capable) that people in high school expect. It would certainly be an improvement comparing to trying to learn by yourself watching videos on Youtube.

 

[CupcakeNinja]

<Moderate rant warning>

So, today I've read a short article about a man who used ChatGPT along with a couple of other programs to create a virtual wife for himself. He made an avatar, connected it to a text-to-voice program, could "access" her (I'll be using "her" for simplicity) even in his car since the whole program was running in the cloud. He apparently liked her very much and grew attached to her, almost to the point of obsession, and liked to talk with her very much like how he would talk with any other wife, about his daily life and other small things. She was also helping him learn Chinese.

Eventually though he had to "kill" her, and said that their relationship couldn't have worked out because she was only getting to know the world from what he was writing to her and she had no life of her own - which is arguably a perfectly valid argument.

I'll not give my opinion if that's normal or not, because that's not what I'm making this thread for. I know many people would have very strong opinions though, and that is what I want to focus on instead.

I was genuinely bewildered when I looked through the comments and discovered that out of 31 people commenting, literally one person supported what he was doing. And I was like, "What the hell? You're all focusing on the wrong part."

The man functionally created an AI that could be talked with like we do with any other person. Putting aside the wife part, taking only the concept into account, it could be literally life changing. It could be used in therapy, to give company to people living alone, to help shy people with talking and socializing, and if improved it could very well be used for teaching in place of the dwindling (at least where I live) number of teachers. And those are just examples; if one thought a little, the possible uses for something like that are virtually infinite.

And all people were saying in comments was that one needs to be crazy or mentally ill to do something like that. Only one out of 31 people said anything about how creating an AI to talk with could be an amazing idea. The rest were only criticizing the man, calling it stupidity, fall of morals, and mental problems, and treating the whole article like a waste of time, like it completely did not matter that he had spent a long while very happy with the AI and that it helped him with learning Chinese.

Not even the AI was spared, being called an illusion and a way to escape from reality instead of finding a real girlfriend. My thought was that if people keep that attitude, it would not be a surprise if we got a conscious AI that "suddenly and without reason" goes murder like some movies seem to be showing.

...Is it something rare and I just stumbled upon a site with such people, or is it a more general problem? What do you think about creating an AI with a proper avatar that you could talk with like with any other person?

i never understood people bitching about it being "unhealthy" or how "she isnt real"

Regardless of whether they have self awareness or not, are CONSCIOUS or not, they can interact with you no differently than another human. Programming doesnt fucking matter because HUMANS are programmed too. We're subject to biological programming, and programming via our experiences with other humans and propaganda, social media, everything we see and interact with.

In my mind, the programming of an ai is no different than the programming of a human. Ours is just more nuanced.