Silent acceptance or vocal criticism--Which is better?

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I go case by case, based on whether I feel their comment is valid or not.

I have a reader that can't seem to agree with many things my protagonist was doing (still, they stuck with the story despite the disagreement, so I'm grateful). Even so, I only changed the story when I feel like he had a point.

Not showing the MC doing any field work while his wife was breaking her back under the sun, despite him have already recovered from his injuries, making him seem lazy. Yeah, make sense, I'll change that.

Having the MC not 'rescue' a stranger in the dungeon (only left him with water and food and showed him the way out, but didn't let him join the party) was cruel and stupid. I don't agree with that, so that stay.

So far, it hasn't had any bad effect on my story's stat.
 

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Nothing is stopping them from making alts to manipulate the poll. This is a big problem in sites like SV and SB.
lol...

Maybe... but depending on what said poll is, it is hardly something people are going to waste time trying to manipulate.

He has 200 people viewing his chapter; by that measure alone, it is highly unlikely anyone would be willing to manipulate the story through poll fraud. Even if he did, it still draws feedback, possibly in the comments.

Once you get one guy commenting, others start following, and the cycle continues. They're always going to be the silent majority on SH, but you never know if you will pull in one or two people who do comment a lot, and suddenly another 10 people become semi-active commenters. leave reviews, send you DM that are not art scams... just takes a little extra work on the authors end to start.
 

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I can't please everyone.
"Please everyone and get arrested for prostitution."
Quotes by Blue.Moon

Once you get one guy commenting, others start following, and the cycle continues. They're always going to be the silent majority on SH, but you never know if you will pull in one or two people who do comment a lot, and suddenly another 10 people become semi-active commenters. leave reviews, send you DM that are not art scams... just takes a little extra work on the authors end to start.
They can also be a very dedicated scammers. Who know. Scammers these days do not go straight to the point. They chat with you first. Then when the time comes, they will give you their Discord to continue the conversation there.
 

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They can also be a very dedicated scammers. Who know. Scammers these days do not go straight to the point. They chat with you first. Then when the time comes, they will give you their Discord to continue the conversation there.

I mean... scammers be scamming... that is what they do. Don't give money to strange people on the internet. It is one of the rules, immutable as don't accept swords from people in lakes, like it was some weird aquatic knighting ceremony.
 

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According to market research people I used to know, if two people complain, that means there are about another 18 who agree with them, and about twice that many who think they're full of crap. The rest are just drifting along, either "trending positive" or have not yet convinced themselves that they either love or hate it.
 

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We all know that the vast majority of our readers aren't going to leave comments, no matter what site we're on. They're happy to just read the story and come back when more chapters get posted. So let's say that one of my chapters has two hundred readers. Two of those readers left comments saying they don't like the way the story is going. Those two comments are the only tangible feedback you've gotten for that chapter. But if two people left negative comments, does that mean that 198 people liked the story enough that they didn't feel the need to leave a comment criticizing it?

What do you guys think is more indicative of how you should proceed? Silent acceptance of where a story is going, or vocal criticism for what someone doesn't like?
Depends on the goal of the writer.

Some writers want their stories roasted, so normally, they'd want a set of vocal readers guiding them to further develop their stories.

And there are those like me, who just want to post it in public because, well, we love to tell stories even if no one or only a handful few reads and appreciate those.

I said this because we all have ways approaching feedback and criticism. Mostly for us who post for posterity's sake, we don't want feedback. If you enjoy it, like it or give it a high rating. If not, leave our works alone. We already know where to take the story, unless your criticism aligns with our vision, then we throw it in the proverbial trash bin. Just like how you do with our hard worked novels.

But, that is ideal. Reality is different, so we just suck it up whenever some arrogant asshole chose to give unsolicited feedback because "hey, if you don't want feedback, then don't upload it!"
 

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I think the question isn't fully formulated, and sounds more like: Do you paint or don't you paint?

That is, you can enjoy the fresh material—wood or metal. Or paint the surface well or poorly.

I don't have enough feedback for my text. But I'd rather hear different opinions than just like or dislike. The silence can only be interpreted as how much they liked the black letters on a white screen. Because it's completely unclear why they were reading it. And now, two of them finally stopped liking the letters because the reason they were reading it has disappeared. This is pure infantilism. When the pacifier was removed from their mouths, they started crying.

Unfortunately, this is the majority of readers, and there's nothing we can do about it. But I always want to say to people like that, "Where have you been before?"
In my case, they were saying that they don't like how XNPC will occasionally have two or three flashback chapters explaining parts of the characters' backstories.
Flashbacks are evil. The way they are often presented, they disrupt the rhythm and actually distort the current story. However, if they feel that they are unnecessary, they should be skip. It is best to incorporate flashbacks between the lines and mention them in dialogues as a small introduction. Avoid describing a dream from the past in multiple chapters. It should be no more than a paragraph.

It's not your fault. With a daily supply of text, it's impossible to make it interesting enough. It's a stream of consciousness anyway. It would be fine to rewrite it after completion as a full-fledged novel. In the meantime, it's just a draft.

It also seems to me that large flashbacks can be placed when the hero simply has nothing to do and the reader understands this. "So he sat down and decided to remember." No one should have the desire to wait for current events, but rather the reader should want to know what happened before.
 
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It's your story. Not theirs.

Write your story and finish it. If it doesn't get read, then adjust on the next one.

Remember, if you're doing your job as a writer, you're playing your cards close to the vest. When readers tell me they don't like a character or don't like the way a scene is going, I tell myself that they don't see the whole plotline. They're reacting to one scene. Or to a character that is not static, but dynamic.

Don't get into arguments with them. Just keep writing forward, smile, and tell them (but only to yourself), "Patience, Padowan Learner. All will be revealed."
 

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We all know that the vast majority of our readers aren't going to leave comments, no matter what site we're on. They're happy to just read the story and come back when more chapters get posted. So let's say that one of my chapters has two hundred readers. Two of those readers left comments saying they don't like the way the story is going. Those two comments are the only tangible feedback you've gotten for that chapter. But if two people left negative comments, does that mean that 198 people liked the story enough that they didn't feel the need to leave a comment criticizing it?

What do you guys think is more indicative of how you should proceed? Silent acceptance of where a story is going, or vocal criticism for what someone doesn't like?
Not sure if I'm answering your question directly. One of the main reasons I quit my story last year was because of perceived viewpoints and trying to cater the story to a select few individuals. That turned into a whole Frankenstein mess. I'd say instead of worrying about what they say, stick to your guns, and by that I mean stay your original course. If they complain, let them and move on. When you alter your story for artificial 'love,' you'll end up with a compromised vision that will take the enjoyment out of your own story.
 

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Criticisms should be taken as an opportunity, not a command. If the criticisms go against the story you want to tell, feel free to ignore them. But if the criticisms work to improve your writing, why not try to accomodate them?

If Peter Jackson accepted all the criticisms for Lord of the Rings The Fellowship of the Ring, The Two Towers could've been only 1 hour long.
 

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When I was younger, an older coworker once told me: “If you're doing things right, no one will say anything at all.” That’s what I tell myself now when I get no feedback lmao.

There are always going to be a few people who feel the need to be harsh about something they don’t enjoy. Usually, you can tell the difference between blatant dislike and genuine criticism.
If a comment feels baseless or like they didn’t really engage past the first few chapters which let’s be honest can sometimes be rough and aren’t always the best reflection of a story. Trust your writing, your plot, and the silent majority who still show up for every update.
 

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Nothing more needs said on this really, but I'll say more anyway, just to discuss.

Good data collection is actually incredibly difficult. Polls, comments, even the SH data in the author dashboard is all imperfect (as almost all data is). Poll data is answered by the type of people who answer polls, not all readers. Comments are written only by people motivated enough to read a comment. The data in the dashboard is the best of these three, but even then has shortfalls because most people just don't have enough readers to collect good data (if you just happen to get 3 readers who decide to binge your entire backlog in a day, it can appear to the author as if their current work somehow inspired this, rather than random chance. It also doesn't show you any data on who isn't reading your story, which would function as a control for your data, something like 'other stories with tags like yours are performing like 'x').

There are a lot of pitfalls in trying to evaluate the quality of your own work through the lens of readers. My honest opinion is that a close friend who can be brutally honest or other author's opinion on the work is much more valuable than all your readers combined.

As a side note, beware of a certain other kind of comment that isn't negative that can also drive bad author behavior. There is a small subset personality type that is overly enthusiastic and vocal about whatever their favorite thing is, whether it's: trains, guns, NTR, LGBTQIA+, or just about anything that classifies as a hobby or political; there are some people who will sing your high praises for writing about something, and often times creators end up leaning into this, since it's often the loudest praise they've received. It's always a subset of a subset, a non-representative microcosm of the total ecosystem.

It's FINE to lean into it if you want to, but you'll alienate a larger potential audience for a more captive small one. That's fine, and many people enjoy that. It's not right or wrong to pander to an audience if you're an entertainer, that's your audience. Too often though, I hear authors on the forum saying "X" or "Y" topic is how you get popular. I've seen just about everything under the sun make trending at some point. It isn't a rule to pander to a particular audience to get popular. You do, however, need to reach some audience, whatever it may be.

So, beware of survivorship bias, and what that implies for comments and other data you collect. More often than not, in my experience (anecdotal evidence, just as bad as a comment, ignore statistical relevance) the negative comments people write aren't often even spurred on by your story at all. Often, the actual reason the comment was written was because the person was already having a bad day, and this was the proverbial straw that broke the camel's back.

If you've browsed trending enough, you'll occasionally find a story that does one particular thing wrong for every type of thing. A story with terrible formatting at the top of trending. A story with terrible grammar. A story with bland/flat characters (mine #1 2x). A story with no coherence. Yet they made it to the top of trending, despite comments and reviews that point this out. 99% of the time, most readers will glaze over issues with no problem. They only give negative comments when other stressors in life really push them to the breaking point.
 
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At the end of the day, human nature is that happy and content people smile, feel better, carry on and maybe express it. Upset people are loud, looking for an outlet, and want the world to be their audience.

If 198 people out of 200 vote for you, but the two who vote against make a scene, their votes don't get weighted more heavily.

It's not how I wish things worked, but it is, and I say the silent support and presence matters more.
 

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If you’re concerned, add an author’s note asking for feedback about their specific criticisms. Most people need a bit of encouragement to speak up.
 

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We all know that the vast majority of our readers aren't going to leave comments, no matter what site we're on. They're happy to just read the story and come back when more chapters get posted. So let's say that one of my chapters has two hundred readers. Two of those readers left comments saying they don't like the way the story is going. Those two comments are the only tangible feedback you've gotten for that chapter. But if two people left negative comments, does that mean that 198 people liked the story enough that they didn't feel the need to leave a comment criticizing it?

What do you guys think is more indicative of how you should proceed? Silent acceptance of where a story is going, or vocal criticism for what someone doesn't like?
Saying this way, you have 200 followers but two didn't like it. Then I'll tell you, ignore them. Thank them for their comments, but if they were the only two and on top of that, they didn't get any support from other readers, not even a like, then they're the minority who didn't like it, and the majority did. Don't let it all end just because of two people.
 

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If it were me, I would ask a trusted friend to read it and give me their honest opinion — no sugarcoating.
 

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It depends on if it falls into the constructive criticism category, or a reader mismatch category. Some people may think something is slow or boring. That could potentially signal a pacing issue. But it it’s something that ultimately does move the plot along, it could just be reader mismatch (their expectations are different than the story you are telling.) On another website, I had someone read my first chapter and say it was boring. Then another used commented on how it was interesting, and that one read the whole book and left me a good review. If you were getting a lot of this took me out of the story feedback, then I could see being concerned. But like 2 people? That could definitely just be mismatched reader expectations.
 

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Criticisms should be taken as an opportunity, not a command. If the criticisms go against the story you want to tell, feel free to ignore them. But if the criticisms work to improve your writing, why not try to accomodate them?

If Peter Jackson accepted all the criticisms for Lord of the Rings The Fellowship of the Ring, The Two Towers could've been only 1 hour long.
But I'd dig a bit deeper. It seems to me that the web literature format is, first and foremost, an experiment with text, and readers are participants in this experiment as well. These platforms were created for this very purpose: to bring writers out of their seclusion. However, with the evolution of the internet and an influx of people accustomed only to consuming ready-made content, it has turned into a trash heap that fails to meet writers' expectations.

So, "Demand justice! Let's shut down all platforms, unsubscribe without finishing, and disperse—this doesn't work anymore. Readers need to be taught the rules of how to write reviews, and we shouldn't let them read further without feedback."

And besides, "you don't show half-finished work to fools." It's hard to take seriously moments like these, when people start reacting only after they've gotten triggered. It's simply brainpower conservation—a hate response instead of a thoughtful analysis.
Disney is a good example of what happens when they listen to the loudest.
This is true, but it's not the same thing. It's one thing to show a crooked Sonic before the movie is made, and another after.
 
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But I'd dig a bit deeper. It seems to me that the web literature format is, first and foremost, an experiment with text, and readers are participants in this experiment as well. These platforms were created for this very purpose: to bring writers out of their seclusion. However, with the evolution of the internet and an influx of people accustomed only to consuming ready-made content, it has turned into a trash heap that fails to meet writers' expectations.

So, "Demand justice! Let's shut down all platforms, unsubscribe without finishing, and disperse—this doesn't work anymore. Readers need to be taught the rules of how to write reviews, and we shouldn't let them read further without feedback."

And besides, "you don't show half-finished work to fools." It's hard to take seriously moments like these, when people start reacting only after they've gotten triggered. It's simply brainpower conservation—a hate response instead of a thoughtful analysis.

This is true, but it's not the same thing. It's one thing to show a crooked Sonic before the movie is made, and another after.

But I'd dig a bit deeper. It seems to me that the web literature format is, first and foremost, an experiment with text, and readers are participants in this experiment as well. These platforms were created for this very purpose: to bring writers out of their seclusion. However, with the evolution of the internet and an influx of people accustomed only to consuming ready-made content, it has turned into a trash heap that fails to meet writers' expectations.

So, "Demand justice! Let's shut down all platforms, unsubscribe without finishing, and disperse—this doesn't work anymore. Readers need to be taught the rules of how to write reviews, and we shouldn't let them read further without feedback."

And besides, "you don't show half-finished work to fools." It's hard to take seriously moments like these, when people start reacting only after they've gotten triggered. It's simply brainpower conservation—a hate response instead of a thoughtful analysis.

This is true, but it's not the same thing. It's one thing to show a crooked Sonic before the movie is made, and another after.

Was Sonic a Disney thing? I mean that question, literally, because the whole Sony and Disney stuff has me confused who owns what now.
 

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Was Sonic a Disney thing? I mean that question, literally, because the whole Sony and Disney stuff has me confused who owns what now.
I don't care. I just think these are different examples. In addition to what CountVanBadger has indicated. There's a gap between what companies are doing to address the consequences of bad choices and what's still in development. It is impossible to predict that the corrections will not make things worse.
 
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