What are your thoughts on creators advertising their Patreon

[RedM0narch]

Now personally I don’t mind it if they like advertise to be able to Read more chapters ahead of others. If you really like the story and want to support the creator sure all for it. But are there people not agreeing with me. If you don’t I’d like to know your point of view and if you do agree with me I’d also like to know why.

 

[LeilaniOtter]

I just hope these people aren't counting on Patreons as anything more than secondary means of income. It takes remarkable talent and a huge fanbase to make it succeed, and I don't understand why people just create them at a drop of the hat. They need to understand it's not a "job" - and they're committed to it, like owning a pet.

 

[Eldoria]

Well, some platforms do restrict Patreon advertising beyond their terms. However, as a casual reader, I don't really mind.

You (readers) can join the Patreon or not. You (authors) can actively promote your Patreon or wait for readers' initiative.

 

[JordanIda]

Much of the work I've encountered here is fan fiction. I have ethical qualms with profiteering from it. If other writers choose to monetize fan fiction, I won't judge them. To each his/her own and all that. But I won't do it. To Leilani's point, this is strictly a hobby. At least for me.

And I don't have a problem with hosting platforms that restrict or prohibit the practice.

 

[ShrimpShady]

In this economy? Do whatever to get your money up

 

[Assurbanipal_II]

Now personally I don’t mind it if they like advertise to be able to Read more chapters ahead of others. If you really like the story and want to support the creator sure all for it. But are there people not agreeing with me. If you don’t I’d like to know your point of view and if you do agree with me I’d also like to know why.

I see it as donations to suppurrt my effurrts~.

 

[LeilaniOtter]

Much of the work I've encountered here is fan fiction. I have ethical qualms with profiteering from it. If other writers choose to monetize fan fiction, I won't judge them. To each his/her own and all that. But I won't do it. To Leilani's point, this is strictly a hobby. At least for me.

And I don't have a problem with hosting platforms that restrict or prohibit the practice.

This, all day long. It shocks me sometimes that RoyalRoad pays their authors for fan-fiction. Unethical and insulting.

 

[Wanderrae]

Now personally I don’t mind it if they like advertise to be able to Read more chapters ahead of others. If you really like the story and want to support the creator sure all for it. But are there people not agreeing with me. If you don’t I’d like to know your point of view and if you do agree with me I’d also like to know why.

This has been the norm since over a decade ago. It's not a zero sum game, patronage is as old stone crafting. Writing is something most people will never make a dime out of, offering exclusive content for the price of a coffee is well a small price to pay. Don't get me started on piracy, if people really want something, they'll get no matter what. On that note, if you want to see, your favorite author succeed, realize that you the reader has the power of purchasing parity in your hands.

This, all day long. It shocks me sometimes that RoyalRoad pays their authors for fan-fiction. Unethical and insulting.

They don't pay anyone except their staff and moderators. Those fanfictions, just keep slipping through the moderation, I believe monetized "linked" patreons for fan-fiction is not allowed at all.

https://www.royalroad.com/blog/68/recent-fanfiction-moderation-actions

On that note, if anything it's patreon that has to start to take it seriously. Personally, I'm neutral on the matter.

 

[LeilaniOtter]

This has been the norm since over a decade ago. It's not a zero sum game, patronage is as old stone crafting. Writing is something most people will never make a dime out of, offering exclusive content for the price of a coffee is well a small price to pay. Don't get me started on piracy, if people really want something, they'll get no matter what. On that note, if you want to see, your favorite author succeed, realize that you the reader has the power of purchasing parity in your hands.


They don't pay anyone except their staff and moderators. Those fanfictions, just keep slipping through the moderation, I believe monetized "linked" patreons for fan-fiction is not allowed at all.

https://www.royalroad.com/blog/68/recent-fanfiction-moderation-actions

On that note, if anything it's patreon that has to start to take it seriously. Personally, I'm neutral on the matter.

Hold on.
So if someone is offering Patreons for fan-fiction, we should be reporting that as a violation?

 

[Wanderrae]

Hold on.
So if someone is offering Patreons for fan-fiction, we should be reporting that as a violation?

well, I mean technically yes, if notice it. You can always send support tickets to the sites moderators. They'll decide what is necessary "punishment." Though it should be said there are a few authors, who write both original fiction and fanfiction and well may have a patreon specifically for the former. While using the latter as way to garner a audience.

Of course that just makes it a case by case situation.

It happened a few times last year on royalroad, and I believe the moderators, removed the fiction. Only allowing it back under the pretense, that they wouldn't "link" it again.

I believe a discussion about the legalities of fanfiction, can be found on this forum as well (was quite a ruckus)

But...not my business beyond observation.

 

[JordanIda]

Fan fiction is theft of intellectual property, subject to civil penalties just about everywhere.

The notion of "legality" begins and ends with the degree of tolerance that authors grant to it. I'm posting Twilight inspired fan fiction. I take no compensation for it. Not even "donations." Twilight is relatively safe as subject matter. Yesterday's craze, for one thing. For another, Stephenie Meyer got her start on fan fiction, so it would be the height of hypocrisy, were she ever to go after it.

However, websites like this one have to be careful, because content creators can shut them down with a phone call. Anne Rice goes after fan fiction aggressively and has shut down websites. In my view she's fully justified in doing so, and I'm astonished by the number of debates I've seen on this subject, in which so-called "authors," "creators," and "artists" vilify her as some kind of mean ogre. Anne Rice is correct: fan fiction has zero benefit to her own fan base. It is parasitical at best and prurient at worst. She's right to go after it and shut it down. No real "artist" or "creator" would debate it. But the parasites? Yeah, they get vicious and ugly about it, to the point where there's just no hope of having a rational conversation with them.

 

[CharlesEBrown]

See. I have no problem at all with people writing and sharing fan fiction - but if they are making money off of fan fiction for something I wrote, I'd damned well better either have given them explicit WRITTEN permission detailing their rights to my material and waiving any fees before they started, OR be getting a percentage of any profits as the original creator.

 

[LeilaniOtter]

well, I mean technically yes, if notice it. You can always send support tickets to the sites moderators. They'll decide what is necessary "punishment." Though it should be said there are a few authors, who write both original fiction and fanfiction and well may have a patreon specifically for the former. While using the latter as way to garner a audience.

Of course that just makes it a case by case situation.

It happened a few times last year on royalroad, and I believe the moderators, removed the fiction. Only allowing it back under the pretense, that they wouldn't "link" it again.

I believe a discussion about the legalities of fanfiction, can be found on this forum as well (was quite a ruckus)

But...not my business beyond observation.

You're aware RoyalRoad is MOSTLY fan-fiction, right?

 

[Envylope]

In this economy? Do whatever to get your money up

Yeah!

 

[AnonUnlimited]

I see them as poor SOB's who need money. I of course, won't give them any, but at least someone might and that's why they do it.

 

[Zagaroth]

This, all day long. It shocks me sometimes that RoyalRoad pays their authors for fan-fiction. Unethical and insulting.

They don't pay authors anything, what are you talking about?

 

[LeilaniOtter]

They don't pay authors anything, what are you talking about?

Well, ONE of those offers residuals to authors - I forget which one. There's so many venues, hard to keep them all straight.

 

[Eldoria]

Well, ONE of those offers residuals to authors - I forget which one. There's so many venues, hard to keep them all straight.

Maybe you mean webnovel? (or other platforms).

As far as I know, RR's business model capitalizes on the site with advertising (either from companies promoting their products or from authors seeking to promote their fiction), memberships, and partnerships with established publishers (e.g., Amazon).

 

[Tetrahedron]

If other writers choose to monetize fan fiction, I won't judge them

I heavily disagree. You SHOULD judge them. It's relatively equal to monetizing stories off of someone else's IP.

I have no problem with authors putting more chapters behind paywall, I don't mind their stories are "stubbed" in favor for those Amazon Kindle contract, so long as it is something original to the writer themselves. But I do mind if those works are fanfictions.

Fan fiction is theft of intellectual property, subject to civil penalties just about everywhere.

So, by your logic, those doujinshi that many read in some site should be considered a theft of intellectual property, then. Also, fan art should be considered a theft of intellectual property. if you don't provide any context of this line, I'll drag it as it is and said what I said.

 

[LeilaniOtter]

Maybe you mean webnovel? (or other platforms).

As far as I know, RR's business model capitalizes on the site with advertising (either from companies promoting their products or from authors seeking to promote their fiction), memberships, and partnerships with established publishers (e.g., Amazon).

Oh, yes, that might be them. Thanks, hon.