Rejection of AI story cover

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CinnaSloth

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an in-cred-ibly ignorant hill to die on.. but sure. you're entitled to your thoughts, no matter how wrong your opinion is.

not everyone has money.
not every artist is willing to take on a 5$ commission when they can make more by selling their time to someone willing to pay much, MUCH more in order to pay their OWN bills.
not everyone cares to draw beit because of time, life, work, or kids, or any of the other two million possible reasons
not every artist gives a two shits about someone else's projects that won't give them the spotlight


I draw (maybe not well), and I have plenty of professional friends who draw, and we absolutely hate Ai people calling their shit "art" when it's not. But we can still acknowledge and understand, it's easier to type 'anime guy holding sword' than to study anatomy and shading for the next two years for a simple cover of a FREE 10 - 20 CHAPTER BOOK some random posted on a writing website flooded with hundreds of thousands of OTHER books we can read. Be pissed off about people submitting ai slop at contests go to Wattpad. Go to RR. not here.

Stop shouting wolf where there is none.
 

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I believe that this site is full of creative people, therefore I stand with the statement that story covers should also be creative, not just some AI slop. Artist exists for a reason and if you can't afford one then edit the story cover yourself.
After having a discussion with someone who worked on Microsoft's aborted AI attempt (ChatGPT beat them to market and they axed 90% of the department to use the money to buy the tech from ChatGPT), creating GOOD AI artwork IS a creative endeavor, sometimes as complicated as actually writing a bloody novel.
 

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This person hasn't been around since October, just an fyi. :blob_sweat:

probably already left site. lol
After having a discussion with someone who worked on Microsoft's aborted AI attempt (ChatGPT beat them to market and they axed 90% of the department to use the money to buy the tech from ChatGPT), creating GOOD AI artwork IS a creative endeavor, sometimes as complicated as actually writing a bloody novel.

As much as I would like to back you.. that's a pretty questionable statement.
Some people have already learned the Ai keywords, and have also placed those keywords online in posts where anyone can get them, if they happen to be searching for them. Not only that, but Ai has come a long way in such a short amount of time to the point it's getting somewhat more difficult to tell Ai from certain talented artists that lean more toward "Realistic anime" rendered styles, which are very highly sought after just because of their color blends, shades, and beauty.

That being said, not everyone can write a good novel, or pretend to write in general, where Ai is also having the same issue (Thankfully). But give it another few months, and I'm sure someone out there will be stealing people's online trending works to feed into their stupid algorithms claiming their Ai is smarter than the rest, because it can write, in order to sell it. Because that's capitalism. -and that's humanity.

-shrug
 
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tiaf

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Well, I didn't use an AI cover myself, but not everyone is an artist. If I didn't have an artist friend, and AI wasn't allowed, my cover would literally be a stick figure that looked like it was trying to go super Saiyan. I feel like this is just a rage bait thread.
What’s so bad at stickmen covers??? A few of my adored cn novels have stickmen running on the cover.
 

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I earn a majority of my living with drawing and art.

And call me old fashioned but why the heck does one ask for art on reddit? There are websides for it, exclusively for hiring legal, not ghosting on you, artists where you can post your offer and people who are interested in it contact you.

I mean I understand people and hobbiest using AI art, especially when it's a hobby and doesn't bring any money itself and spending money is not a realistic possibility for them.
I also love stickman covers, or covers made by the writer that maybe aren't perfect, fancy or even good.

But usually when you do drawings, book covers or anything. One of the easiest ways especially for continuous and large comissions nail the artist and yourself on a contract.
No need to be fancy about it and if it's a legal artist a lot of them even have their own templates and it will scare scammers away.

So why reddit?
 

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I can't fawn over @Hans.Trondheim enough. I know people complain about art costs, but for $45-50 per cover, he does amazing work that very much looks worth much more than that. :love: I really don't think asking that kind of fee is out of the realm of possibility for any of us - even if you'd have to save up a little for it.
 

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Ultimately, for me, the question comes down to a few questions: 'should this be banned for moral reasons', 'should this be banned for this website', and 'will not banning this cost anything for the website'.

For this, I'm going to be talking about the general situation. Not exceptions. There are always exceptions, and they should be treated as what they are -- exceptions. For my purposes, the 'general situation' is somebody who is writing something that others will read for free and they have, at most, a crowdfunding platform to obtain money, and most likely not that -- and if they do have it, it's not going to grant them a lot of money.

So.

For moral issues, I don't think it's the place of this website, nor the authors, to be concerned about. Because the issue is bigger than small, independent writers writing things for people to read for free. Ideally, sure, don't use AI art. But for a lot of people, it's going to be 'use AI art' or 'don't have art', and I'm not going to ask a creative to not use what is, for them, a free or extremely cheap option to get art for their personal project that they are sharing for free. Banning AI art will most strongly affect those that do not feel like they have a choice in the matter, instead of those that have a choice, and choose AI.

In terms of this being a rule for the site, I also disagree, but for a more practical reason: It would need people to manually check, determine which is AI and which is not, and there will be mistakes. That means you need to have a team to go over complaints, check, double-check, etc, which I don't think is a fair ask of Scribblehub. Chances are, even if that happens, it's going to be overworked by a large degree -- meaning that the people that are most likely to be have to deal with mistakes are those that have trouble advocating for themselves for one reason or another. Social awkwardness, inability to connect the artist they commissioned with whatever 'team' is running this, and those that did draw things on their own in a manner that look like it was made by an AI. None of those are likely, but there'd almost certainly be at least one.

As for 'costs of not banning it', there is some. I'm not going to pretend that there isn't. But the cost is, I feel, relatively minor. A decrease in trust for Scribblehub as a platform from those that care strongly about AI art in all situations. Amount of trust decrease -- well, it's going to be there. A few users will probably leave, maybe spread some hate on a few websites or to their friends. Not really an expert in that. But as this is not an art website, I don't feel like that cost will be particularly large.

I could be wrong, of course, but I feel -- ah -- medium-to-high strongly -- that banning AI art covers isn't the right move. Maybe add a tag of some sort, at most, that identify which stories have them, but that has its own implementation questions.

For contexts sake, I used AI art for my story's cover when I wrote it a few years ago -- back then, I didn't know as much about the costs and moral issues of AI and AI art as I do now. If I did at the time, I might -- emphasis might -- have tried to get a commission, but given my own social issues, I probably would not have. And if I write another story in the future, I will put in a good effort to getting somebody to draw the cover, as I am in a place, both financially and personally, where I can do so without any great cost or effort to myself.

EDIT: Realized shortly after I posted this that I should clarify something. As Scribblehub is a website for authors, I am judging this question in terms of what is most fair for the authors of this website. I am not judging this question in terms of what is most for artists. That is a valid question that deserves discussion, but not one that is, I think, important for the question of if Scribblehub should ban AI art covers.
 
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I can't fawn over @Hans.Trondheim enough. I know people complain about art costs, but for $45-50 per cover, he does amazing work that very much looks worth much more than that. :love: I really don't think asking that kind of fee is out of the realm of possibility for any of us - even if you'd have to save up a little for it.
Thanks for the mention!

I'll be honest. Though I'm an illustrator myself, I don't think we should go banning AI covers from sites. For one, many authors here are just starting, so it's understandable they won't have money for commissioning artists. AI is their go-to; depriving it from them would only cause them to leave, and leaving from here isn't the best for ScribbleHub right now.

Second, instead of looking at AI as the 'bane of illustrators' existence,' you can consider it as a 'Great Equalizer.' Like, before AI, many 'professional artists' have become arrogant and drama queens. AI 'weeded out' the posers from the ones dedicated.
 

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EDIT: Realized shortly after I posted this that I should clarify something. As Scribblehub is a website for authors, I am judging this question in terms of what is most fair for the authors of this website. I am not judging this question in terms of what is most for artists. That is a valid question that deserves discussion, but not one that is, I think, important for the question of if Scribblehub should ban AI art covers.
Oh, I don't believe SH should ban anything, if I'm honest. Banning anything is just narrowing the creativity of the artists/authors. I don't believe in that. But, that said, I don't like how AI looks, either. It's all the same. Everyone looks the same, the settings look the same, the poses look the same. AI hasn't learned yet to be original, and I think it looks terrible. That new McDonald's AI ad they did a few months ago for the holidays? it looks awful. You can tell it's not real 100%. And that's the sticking point I have with A.I.

It's just not real and...it doesn't try to NOT be. ? ?
 

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My Avatar is AI-generated. It is the first presence from my story, seeing the first sun for the first time. There's no way I could draw this myself. I've tried to find artists all over the internet, and no one seems interested, so I generate my own. The cover of my story is AI for the same reason. I have the money to hire an artist, but it seems only scammers respond, and I've been ripped off more than once. So here I am. AI-generated or none at all. I think I'll stick with AI art until I find a reputable artist with the skill and professionalism I'm looking for.
 

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My Avatar is AI-generated. It is the first presence from my story, seeing the first sun for the first time. There's no way I could draw this myself. I've tried to find artists all over the internet, and no one seems interested, so I generate my own. The cover of my story is AI for the same reason. I have the money to hire an artist, but it seems only scammers respond, and I've been ripped off more than once. So here I am. AI-generated or none at all. I think I'll stick with AI art until I find a reputable artist with the skill and professionalism I'm looking for.
@Hans.Trondheim @pangmida Don't sue me for mentioning you two but you are really great artists-nya :blob_melt:
 

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Money is *definitely* an issue for me. I have to decide whether to refill my prescriptions or buy groceries this month. So dropping upwards of hundreds of dollars on commissions isn’t feasible for me. That doesn’t mean I’ll never commission an artist. If, by some chance, my books start making money, I would love to commission covers and other art. But writing costs me nothing to create. It’s not my day job, it’s a side gig. And one that isn’t monetized. So till then, it’s AI crafted covers for me.
 
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My book cover I used royalty free photographs and edited with a free online photoshop. Now does said image fit the theme of my story? Kinda. It is definitely not what I want, but I lack the talent to draw it myself. As this is a hobby I rather not spend real money on it until I have suitable engagement. Then I will commission an artist.

This is simply the thought process on someone who does not have an AI cover.
 

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My book cover I used royalty free photographs and edited with a free online photoshop. Now does said image fit the theme of my story? Kinda. It is definitely not what I want, but I lack the talent to draw it myself. As this is a hobby I rather not spend real money on it until I have suitable engagement. Then I will commission an artist.

This is simply the thought process on someone who does not have an AI cover.
I am Photoshop illiterate ? It’s a program I always meant to learn, but never did. Ironic since my other passion is photography.
 

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Back in the older days, authors would find an image from the internet and use the one they like to create a cover by adding the title of their story and their pen name. They would then later commission an artist if they are not a hobbyist and they have enough money saved to pay.

Now, the placeholder image is replaced by AI cover because you can customize them more easily. You can use the AI cover as a reference too when hiring an artist so they know what you want the finished product to look like.
 
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