Authors Making Bank With Meh Stories/Writing

Maelstrom556

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good point. *^^*

I SHOULD point out E.L.James got her start writing successful "Twilight" fan-fiction, then tried to pass off "50 Shades" as "Twilight" fan-fiction, when "Twilight" was all anyone talked about. (another crappy novel, BTW).
Yeah, iirc, there's a weird chain of events that went from 9/11 to 50 Shades. So we can partly blame bin-Laden for the existence of 50 Shades, if one plays the chain reaction blame game.
 

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I'm living by paycheck wondering the same thing! :ROFLMAO::blobrofl: Now some authors deserve it, scratch that, they all earned it. Call me naive but I don't think you reach that amount of Patreon money without putting in effort to meet the demand (supply and demand, heh).

Not all of them are smut! I've seen a few that are isekai, litrpg, and Girls Love. Those seem to be the common trends, I'm guess they're the popular trends on Scribblehub.

Oh oh, I did notice that often they share their work on multiple sites, not just here! Some marketing helps as well x)

I plan to dip my toe in the water on this stuff..I've been writing for nearly 10 years, I think I can pull it off. I have 8 stories with an overarching narrative in mind, so I've got plenty of content! Just need to find that audience first.
All the best. ⭐️
if youre spending years on worldbuilding you're a pretty shit commercial author.
Yeah that ish is exhausting damn.
:blob_hide: If Timmy is here, can I have some money? I would like money too plz..
Timmy is a goblin. Never ask goblins for anything!
 

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How would you suggest working on wolrd building? Just curious to hear your thoughts. I would think spending years on world building shows commitment to expanding this fictional world to really immerse the readers into. But maybe you have a different perspective you wouldn't mind sharing? :blobthumbsup:

Not being sarcastic btw, sorry if I sound sarcastic x)
Why do fantasy authors milk their worlds as much as possible? Because it's not easy to create a compelling and engaging world and you need dividends on your investment. You have to decide why you are writing. Are you writing for profit? If yes, you do not spend years on world-building.

There's a ton of prexistening fantasy worlds you can use as is or tweak to your preference.

If you're trying to create a unique world with its own language, customs, races, etc, it will take time and it will most likely never amount to anything. You just have to accept that.
 

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Anyone know if cat girls are still a hot topic for fantasy stories? :blob_melt: Or stories driven by characters and plot that include smut, but not driven by smut?
On SH? I think there will always be a demand for smut, bonus points for cat girls. ?

good point. *^^*

I SHOULD point out E.L.James got her start writing successful "Twilight" fan-fiction, then tried to pass off "50 Shades" as "Twilight" fan-fiction, when "Twilight" was all anyone talked about. (another crappy novel, BTW).
Is it wrong of me to say that I think Twilight is overhated? :blob_hide: I’ve never read it, but I remember in 5th grade of elementary school, I saw a girl reading it. And it’s a rather thick book. She was saying how “this book is so good.” The writing may not be overwhelmingly impressive, but at the very least it’s gotten a lot of young girls into reading, right?

Now the products that came out of it? Fifty Shades of Grey and 365 Days… those are what I raise my brow at. For context, 365 Days was a Fifty Shades of Grey fanfic-turned-novel. I remember seeing it in a bookstore, flipping to a random page, and saw that the ML had inserted a birth control implant in the FL’s arm while she was sleeping. I silently put the book back…
 

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Now the products that came out of it? Fifty Shades of Grey and 365 Days… those are what I raise my brow at. For context, 365 Days was a Fifty Shades of Grey fanfic-turned-novel. I remember seeing it in a bookstore, flipping to a random page, and saw that the ML had inserted a birth control implant in the FL’s arm while she was sleeping. I silently put the book back…
yeah, I remember an article touting "365 Days" and i thought it was a horrible concept - BUT...it was a NEW concept. The human race is going to do one of two things when it comes to new concepts in literature - read it out of curiosity or shun it out of fear. Those that read it and love it unfortunately thanks to the internet, can tout it to the masses a lot better/faster than the haters can. That's the really wild thing about the internet that baffles me today: all the negativity in the world - and yet, you see people praising movies, books, art, etc. more than people hating it.
 

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On SH? I think there will always be a demand for smut, bonus points for cat girls. ?

I, personally, think Devil/demon women are much sexier than catgirls. :blob_cookie:
Is it wrong of me to say that I think Twilight is overhated? :blob_hide:

Would it be wrong of me to say I think starwars, and harry potter aren't very good, or interesting?
 

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yeah, I remember an article touting "365 Days" and i thought it was a horrible concept - BUT...it was a NEW concept. The human race is going to do one of two things when it comes to new concepts in literature - read it out of curiosity or shun it out of fear. Those that read it and love it unfortunately thanks to the internet, can tout it to the masses a lot better/faster than the haters can. That's the really wild thing about the internet that baffles me today: all the negativity in the world - and yet, you see people praising movies, books, art, etc. more than people hating it.
Was 365 Days a new concept? Is it not just a mafia love story? Those were (and still are) quite the rage on Wattpad longer than I can remember. ?


I, personally, think Devil/demon women are much sexier than catgirls. :blob_cookie:


Would it be wrong of me to say I think starwars, and harry potter aren't very good, or interesting?
Devil/demon women are indeed sexy ? hehe.

And no, I don’t think you’re wrong. I don’t think anyone’s wrong for not liking something popular. I’m not that interested in space opera or sci-fi in general, so Star Wars isn’t my cup of tea. But these are all examples of well-known money-makers, and it goes to show that something that earns a lot of money and is incredibly popular doesn’t mean everyone will unanimously like it. :blob_cookie:
 

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Was 365 Days a new concept? Is it not just a mafia love story? Those were (and still are) quite the rage on Wattpad longer than I can remember. ?
Are we speaking of the same book? I'm referring to the concept where a man kidnaps a woman and gives her 365 days to fall in love with him, or he kills her. ?
 

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Are we speaking of the same book? I'm referring to the concept where a man kidnaps a woman and gives her 365 days to fall in love with him, or he kills her. ?
Yes that’s the one ??? I could’ve sworn it’s a mafia love story. I remember watching the movies (yes. Movies. There are 3. And no. I don’t remember anything from it.) and thinking this is something that would’ve absolutely killed it on Wattpad 10 years ago. ? I mean I guess threatening to kill a lady if she didn’t fall in love with you is… a novel concept??
 

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Why do fantasy authors milk their worlds as much as possible? Because it's not easy to create a compelling and engaging world and you need dividends on your investment. You have to decide why you are writing. Are you writing for profit? If yes, you do not spend years on world-building.

There's a ton of prexistening fantasy worlds you can use as is or tweak to your preference.

If you're trying to create a unique world with its own language, customs, races, etc, it will take time and it will most likely never amount to anything. You just have to accept that.
I suppose it depends on how you explore your world :blob_hmm:

I would not recommend going as far as to invent a new language :blob_dizzy: but what about a fantasy world where each story takes part in different settings? Would that be okay?

I prefer worldbuilding as a backstage character, not the main focus but always give a little pinch here and there if it's necessary. But not too much :blob_happy: it's like a play, the characters take center focus and the plot drives the narrative, but the background image and set pieces help paint an image for the world around them. Does that make sense?

I plan on writing 8 stories that take place in the same fantasy world, hence why I'm asking. World building is a fun thing to add but I'm not smart enough to go too in-depth, plus it's not the central focus.
On SH? I think there will always be a demand for smut, bonus points for cat girls. ?
Then I have hope to make a stand and grow my audience! :blob_aww::blob_highfive:

Nya~! :blob_catflip::blobtaco::meowsip:
 

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Yes that’s the one ??? I could’ve sworn it’s a mafia love story. I remember watching the movies (yes. Movies. There are 3. And no. I don’t remember anything from it.) and thinking this is something that would’ve absolutely killed it on Wattpad 10 years ago. ? I mean I guess threatening to kill a lady if she didn’t fall in love with you is… a novel concept??
It's a brilliant concept but certainly not new. "Beauty and the Beast" had the same exactly concept. Beast kidnaps Belle; she's forced to live with him in the hopes he'll find love. same tale, different twist.
 

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On SH? I think there will always be a demand for smut, bonus points for cat girls. ?


Is it wrong of me to say that I think Twilight is overhated? :blob_hide: I’ve never read it, but I remember in 5th grade of elementary school, I saw a girl reading it. And it’s a rather thick book. She was saying how “this book is so good.” The writing may not be overwhelmingly impressive, but at the very least it’s gotten a lot of young girls into reading, right?

Now the products that came out of it? Fifty Shades of Grey and 365 Days… those are what I raise my brow at. For context, 365 Days was a Fifty Shades of Grey fanfic-turned-novel. I remember seeing it in a bookstore, flipping to a random page, and saw that the ML had inserted a birth control implant in the FL’s arm while she was sleeping. I silently put the book back…
The biggest sin of Twilight is that the MC is kinda... bleh. The second biggest sin is that the world building is kinda silly if you think about it. Other than the marring from Bella's need to be a self-insert for disaffected middle-aged women (with tepid love lives), it's a very okay story. Perfectly functional, and you can tell the writer has some actual talent for prose and such. If you have some free time, and nothing better to read, I'd say give it a go (maybe pirate it off Z-lib or something, unless you can find a copy second hand).
 

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I find it encouraging. I'd never claim that I'm the next Tolkien or Sanderson, but I'm fairly comfortable saying that I'm a better writer than the vast majority of people on RR. If Little Timmy No-Commas can make $3000 a month off his crappy My Hero Academia knockoff litrpg, then it stands to reason that my story will make just as much, if not more. Right?

... RIGHT?!
 

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I suppose it depends on how you explore your world :blob_hmm:

I would not recommend going as far as to invent a new language :blob_dizzy: but what about a fantasy world where each story takes part in different settings? Would that be okay?

I prefer worldbuilding as a backstage character, not the main focus but always give a little pinch here and there if it's necessary. But not too much :blob_happy: it's like a play, the characters take center focus and the plot drives the narrative, but the background image and set pieces help paint an image for the world around them. Does that make sense?

I plan on writing 8 stories that take place in the same fantasy world, hence why I'm asking. World building is a fun thing to add but I'm not smart enough to go too in-depth, plus it's not the central focus.

Then I have hope to make a stand and grow my audience! :blob_aww::blob_highfive:

Nya~! :blob_catflip::blobtaco::meowsip:
Pfft you’re so adorable ? I see that you have a large readers base and lots of views though! So you’re definitely not doing poorly at all! ? Don’t be disheartened when comparing yourself to others. :)

It's a brilliant concept but certainly not new. "Beauty and the Beast" had the same exactly concept. Beast kidnaps Belle; she's forced to live with him in the hopes he'll find love. same tale, different twist.
That’s true, that’s why I said I’d expect that kind of story 10 years ago. A little outdated in a “modern morality” (I know I know) but a trope many still love. I’ll never judge that. I will stand by my opinion that the movies were horrendous though. ?

The biggest sin of Twilight is that the MC is kinda... bleh. The second biggest sin is that the world building is kinda silly if you think about it. Other than the marring from Bella's need to be a self-insert for disaffected middle-aged women (with tepid love lives), it's a very okay story. Perfectly functional, and you can tell the writer has some actual talent for prose and such. If you have some free time, and nothing better to read, I'd say give it a go (maybe pirate it off Z-lib or something, unless you can find a copy second hand).
I’ve binged the movies back when they were all on Prime Videos. Not gonna lie I don’t remember 90% of it ? I do think I should give it a read though. Seems like an integral part of YA/teenage romance reading journey ?
 

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I, personally, think Devil/demon women are much sexier than catgirls. :blob_cookie:


Would it be wrong of me to say I think starwars, and harry potter aren't very good, or interesting?
I think the OG Starwars deserves its praise (the special effects alone would be enough, but the rest of the execution is excellent, even if the plot itself is (intentionally) as basic as possible). Everything afterwards though is kinda crap, tbh, and all rapidly downhill from there. The second one gets some marks for a little boldness is story structure (ends on a low note), but otherwise I think we'd all be better off if Lucas had some artistic integrity and never made a single sequel (let alone a shitty EU).

The thing I like most about HP is that it is secretly a mystery series, cleverly disguised as a fantasy novel. I'm confident Rowling's favorite writer is Agatha Christie.
 

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I find it encouraging. I'd never claim that I'm the next Tolkien or Sanderson, but I'm fairly comfortable saying that I'm a better writer than the vast majority of people on RR. If Little Timmy No-Commas can make $3000 a month off his crappy My Hero Academia knockoff litrpg, then it stands to reason that my story will make just as much, if not more. Right?

... RIGHT?!
I'm comfortable saying I think I'm also a better writer than most of the RR authors, and probably the SH ones as well here. I'm not slighting anyone, but a lot of people simply don't pay attention to certain things that harm their stories - bad grammar, imperfect tenses, typos, etc.

So, yes, there are a lot of mediocre writers on SH and RR, but there's nothing stopping them from being great ones. Full stop.
 

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It's a brilliant concept but certainly not new. "Beauty and the Beast" had the same exactly concept. Beast kidnaps Belle; she's forced to live with him in the hopes he'll find love. same tale, different twist.
Tangential, but if you like the "Beauty and the Beast" concept but want to see it done really well, "Till We Have Faces" by CS Lewis is fantastic. It's a retelling of the original myth (from ¿Greek? mythology) and I think it's his best work (though his space trilogy is great too).
I’ve binged the movies back when they were all on Prime Videos. Not gonna lie I don’t remember 90% of it ? I do think I should give it a read though. Seems like an integral part of YA/teenage romance reading journey ?
I read it long ago, and I have no regrets. It's easy to see why it got popular, even if I think it could have endured an MC with a little more substance.
I love how everyone that writes for themselves also wants money usually. But they can mask that feeling as if it's not true.
Personally, I blame socialists for giving everyone a false impression of what money and profit mean. It suits their bitterness to ignore the fact that making money (aka, turning a profit) (ignoring the fuck government) means you've delivered value to other people by creating value from nothing.

I love seeing people (especially artists) make bank (even if I'm a little jelly, lol) because it's one of the purest expressions of value creation.
 
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