Gender Bender Bait

[Jocelyn_Uasal]

Maybe you're just not the target audience. As someone who is trans, and has been out for many years, I think the story concept is pretty cool. I plan on writing my own story where this guy dies and is reborn as a swamp witch.

 

[CharlesEBrown]

Maybe you're just not the target audience. As someone who is trans, and has been out for many years, I think the story concept is pretty cool. I plan on writing my own story where this guy dies and is reborn as a swamp witch.

I THINK the specific issue is "stories where guy is reborn as a girl but continues to act like a guy, especially in terms of sexuality" - which there does seem to be an awful lot of.

 

[Jocelyn_Uasal]

I THINK the specific issue is "stories where guy is reborn as a girl but continues to act like a guy, especially in terms of sexuality" - which there does seem to be an awful lot of.

Oh well if that's what their issue is, then I can only agree lol Watching 99% of those guys get reborn and immediately go AWOOGA is wild

 

[ConansWitchBaby]

Now I want to make a character that is GB in another world but because he already had kids on Earth:

1. he finds it annoying to get more little shits
2. seems wrong because it feels like he is somewhat replacing his kids

He has all the thoughts and hormones to like guys but decides that he wants to become a hermit. He is already having to get a job again in an afterlife afterall.

To top it off. Make him sexist. After a fight against a transmigrator he just straight up says, "you think a woman would be capable of what I'm doing?!"

Just to fuck with everyone looking for GB stories.

 

[Deleted member 165068]

I don't mind gender benders. They can be fun if done right, but this purpose of gender bender stories causing people trouble reading them got me thinking, if the transition from one gender to another is extremely temporary or partially is done does it count as using the trope? How far does this aspect extend?

There's an old anime series called Midori Days where the main character, a punk whose name I forget, has his entire left punching hand transformed into a classmate he knows named Midori. Her upper body is effectively his left hand and arm for the entire series. They have to work out how to support each other I think without revealing she's missing for a while and he has to lay low from interschool gang fights because she's his dominant hand. I always feel for gender benders if you give a good reason for them to work together or despise each other two characters that get body swapped can do well.

 

[Zagaroth]

I get it, I am annoyed by that sort of gender-flipping.

I especially dislike forced gender swapping, where it just happens to the MC. That feels incredibly violating and traumatizing. Do Not Want.

Voluntary transition *can* make sense, but A) that should be an important aspect of the story, and B) the character should be set up beforehand as being someone for whom the idea might be appealing.

Really, the way most authors do it is for some titillation and simplistic jokes. And that sucks.

 

[ConansWitchBaby]

Found one that does the GB'd girl wants to fuck dudes and isn't a hentai. But It's extreme pedo bait.

sesesese! mezase hatsu h! doutei joshi no tokimeki daisakusen

aiming for my first time! a virgin girls' heart pounding grand strategy

 

[BearlyAlive]

Y'all too horny! BONK!

It gets annoying when the author wants to insert "yuri with a straight male MC". Either go full vegan with your order or get a steak. Ordering a salad just to add a 500g steak on top of it is getting the order wrong!

 

[Corty]

Many of those who started reading my Mad God series probably thought the same way and missed the nuances, like when the MC explained his/her views when some people learned of it. Especially when it came down to the fact he willingly sent himself into reincarnation, discarding his body because it was nothing but flesh, initiating his own reincarnation.

Or they dropped before the MC meets up with his ex-partner after 200ish chapters, already married to someone.

Heck, I don't even have the tag because it's just not a GB story. It is as much of GB story as the inspiration for the whole thing: The Saga of Tanya the Evil. I only added the tag on RR because people lost their shit previously, but now it only draws in 0.5 ratings just because it has it. Honestly, a big chunk of "readers" are stupid and retarded.

 

[CharlesEBrown]

Many of those who started reading my Mad God series probably thought the same way and missed the nuances, like when the MC explained his/her views when some people learned of it. Especially when it came down to the fact he willingly sent himself into reincarnation, discarding his body because it was nothing but flesh, initiating his own reincarnation.

Or they dropped before the MC meets up with his ex-partner after 200ish chapters, already married to someone.

Heck, I don't even have the tag because it's just not a GB story. It is as much of GB story as the inspiration for the whole thing: The Saga of Tanya the Evil. I only added the tag on RR because people lost their shit previously, but now it only draws in 0.5 ratings just because it has it. Honestly, a big chunk of "readers" are stupid and retarded.

I would say "a lot of readers are stuck in preconceived 'tunnels' and get upset if a story wanders out of them, or they are just lazy" rather than the specific words you used but, yeah, that sounds about right.

 

[Corty]

I would say "a lot of readers are stuck in preconceived 'tunnels' and get upset if a story wanders out of them, or they are just lazy" rather than the specific words you used but, yeah, that sounds about right.

It's the same; I'm just tired of tiptoeing around the usage of words when they are what I actually mean.

 

[CharlesEBrown]

It's the same; I'm just tired of tiptoeing around the usage of words when they are what I actually mean.

Knowing some people who get REALLY defensive against one of those words, "stupid" is valid but I would avoid the other, not just as a courtesy but also as one to them...

 

[Corty]

Knowing some people who get REALLY defensive against one of those words, "stupid" is valid but I would avoid the other, not just as a courtesy but also as one to them...

 

[RepresentingWrath]

Supremely based.

 

[Sabruness]

I THINK the specific issue is "stories where guy is reborn as a girl but continues to act like a guy, especially in terms of sexuality" - which there does seem to be an awful lot of.

It gets annoying when the author wants to insert "yuri with a straight male MC". Either go full vegan with your order or get a steak. Ordering a salad just to add a 500g steak on top of it is getting the order wrong!

an awful lot of that awful lot also tends to be futa because... well, bearlyalive put it really well. sometimes i do wonder if at least some futa "yuri" writers are perhaps either in the closet or eggs because a futa MC who acts like the most cliche of straight guys completely defeats the premise of yuri.

 

[Ruti]

Maybe you're just not the target audience. As someone who is trans, and has been out for many years, I think the story concept is pretty cool. I plan on writing my own story where this guy dies and is reborn as a swamp witch.

The thing that they don't like is when a story like, has 3 lines saying that MC was male, now is Female, and has NO further lines regarding this. To be more specific, if you remove those 3 lines, and NOTHING changes story wise (Besides Yuri, most GB use GB to get Yuri in) then that's what people have issues with. Its like those random plot points placed in manga, that have big implications, and then are NEVER mentioned or used again for the rest of the story.

No gender crisis, no 'oh I didn't know that happened to girls' no thought process belonging to original gender (mc who was male for like 20 years suddenly just thinking 100% like a female the moment when become girl) and no sudden issues with like morality on if they should or should not do X because they used to be a certain gender.
basically nothing added to it beyond 'oh hey, I used to be male, now am suddenly female, that's all, bye bye!'
not even an in world explanation, like say, the process of reincarnation solved the issue, or that they lived and have the memories of being said gender because they were raised again as a baby as said gender.

Rule of thumb: if you can remove the initial sentences stating mc got Gender Bent, and just say mc was that gender all along, and nothing changes plot wise (ignoring Yuri/Yaoi) then that's GB used poorly
cant blame them all though, some might have started with GB with the intentions of making it important, and ended up drifting too far away from the original idea

 

[Zagaroth]

The thing that they don't like is when a story like, has 3 lines saying that MC was male, now is Female, and has NO further lines regarding this. To be more specific, if you remove those 3 lines, and NOTHING changes story wise (Besides Yuri, most GB use GB to get Yuri in) then that's what people have issues with. Its like those random plot points placed in manga, that have big implications, and then are NEVER mentioned or used again for the rest of the story.

No gender crisis, no 'oh I didn't know that happened to girls' no thought process belonging to original gender (mc who was male for like 20 years suddenly just thinking 100% like a female the moment when become girl) and no sudden issues with like morality on if they should or should not do X because they used to be a certain gender.
basically nothing added to it beyond 'oh hey, I used to be male, now am suddenly female, that's all, bye bye!'
not even an in world explanation, like say, the process of reincarnation solved the issue, or that they lived and have the memories of being said gender because they were raised again as a baby as said gender.

Rule of thumb: if you can remove the initial sentences stating mc got Gender Bent, and just say mc was that gender all along, and nothing changes plot wise (ignoring Yuri/Yaoi) then that's GB used poorly
cant blame them all though, some might have started with GB with the intentions of making it important, and ended up drifting too far away from the original idea

That reminds me: a lot of the surprise (to the MC) gender benders don't ever seem to deal with the whole getting-a-period thing.

For an average guy with no preparatory interest in transitioning, that could be traumatic in itself. And if they are unlucky, their first bought of PMs might leave them feeling like they are dying.

 

[CharlesEBrown]

That reminds me: a lot of the surprise (to the MC) gender benders don't ever seem to deal with the whole getting-a-period thing.

For an average guy with no preparatory interest in transitioning, that could be traumatic in itself. And if they are unlucky, their first bought of PMs might leave them feeling like they are dying.

I tried writing something like that. Not easy, since I've never experienced it. Just basically mentioned it in passing then dropped it, which is likely not realistic but...

 

[Bluebery]

Many of those who started reading my Mad God series probably thought the same way and missed the nuances, like when the MC explained his/her views when some people learned of it. Especially when it came down to the fact he willingly sent himself into reincarnation, discarding his body because it was nothing but flesh, initiating his own reincarnation.

Or they dropped before the MC meets up with his ex-partner after 200ish chapters, already married to someone.

Heck, I don't even have the tag because it's just not a GB story. It is as much of GB story as the inspiration for the whole thing: The Saga of Tanya the Evil. I only added the tag on RR because people lost their shit previously, but now it only draws in 0.5 ratings just because it has it. Honestly, a big chunk of "readers" are stupid and retarded.

Wow I just realized that you got bombed so heavily by RR haters. I saw your story on romance trending so maybe that's why.
That happened to me too with my previous books there (now deleted). It's such a bad experience.

 

[Ruti]

That reminds me: a lot of the surprise (to the MC) gender benders don't ever seem to deal with the whole getting-a-period thing.

I mean Onimai does it well

but like, its Onimai