I'm looking for a word

[Biggest-Kusa-Out-There]

Wrong. English is one of the most used languages because the British Empire and the USA have been the global hegemons for hundreds of years. It doesn't have anything to do with fluidity. Also English is a fluid language at it's base. And I'd argue all languages are to some degree. Language is entirely a social construct, and if you take this to it's logical conclusion you can say basically whatever you want as long as your point gets across. I would also argue that whore in particular has a much broader meaning and connotations in todays society and that I used it in the correct way.

Language... a social construct? Miss me with that.

Social Construct: an idea that has been created and accepted by the people in a society.

Ideas don't exist without language.

 

[Aaqil]

hmm, a thread asking for a word devolved into a discussion into the flexibility of the English language.
Interesting!

 

[Lloyd]

Language... a social construct? Miss me with that.

Social Construct: an idea that has been created and accepted by the people in a society.

Ideas don't exist without language.

This is the most insane thing I've seen in a long time. Of course you can have ideas without language.
How do you think languages even came about in the first place? Someone had to come up with the idea.

 

[Biggest-Kusa-Out-There]

This is the most insane thing I've seen in a long time. Of course you can have ideas without language.
How do you think languages even came about in the first place? Someone had to come up with the idea.

How can you form ideas without language, then? How can you form societies without language? Even animals have primitive languages.
Before that, thoughts were concrete images, not abstract things. Why are you shitting on everything that's been agreed upon by humanity?

 

[Snusmumriken]

language is a system of communication. I can have an idea without one - I just simply can't express it easily to others.

Have you ever tackled a problem and then suddenly you got that feeling of doing it in a weird new way and you start doing it and the solution comes up? Congratulations you just had a personal idea that didn't need a language.

 

[Lloyd]

How can you form ideas without language, then? How can you form societies without language? Even animals have primitive languages.
Before that, thoughts were concrete images, not abstract things. Why are you shitting on everything that's been agreed upon by humanity?

Think before you speak. Do ideas need to be in a language? No. Ideas by their very nature are an abstraction, because they are entirely mental. Animals don't have a primitive language, they have no language at all. I fail to see your point about societies forming without language. Obviously the formation of languages and societies happened in tandem with one another. You can't have a society without language, but you also can't have a language without a society to speak it in the first place.

 

[Aaqil]

they have no language at all

em, the many Animals that communicate through smells, sounds, body language e.t.c now don't exist apparently...........

 

[Lloyd]

em, the many Animals that communicate through smells, sounds, body language e.t.c now don't exist apparently...........

Communication and language are not the same thing.

 

[Aaqil]

Communication and language are not the same thing.

true, but
Language: A system of communication
and Animals have a "system" when it come's to what a smell, sounds, sign e.t.c means

 

[Biggest-Kusa-Out-There]

true, but
Language: A system of communication
and Animals have a "system" when it come's to what a smell, sounds, sign e.t.c means

leave it. the difference between abstract thought and concrete idea do not register.

 

[Aaqil]

leave it. the difference between abstract thought and concrete idea do not register.

 

[Lloyd]

true, but
Language: A system of communication
and Animals have a "system" when it come's to what a smell, sounds, sign e.t.c means

People have a tendency to humanize animals, however their way of thinking is completely alien to us. They have far smaller capacity for thought, and you really can't compare their communication to language. You could argue that maybe a few species have the capacity for language, but no animals actually use it. Animal communication is not conversational its just a signals. I encourage you to do some research and you will see that animal communication is not thought of as language.

 

[Snusmumriken]

People have a tendency to humanize animals, however their way of thinking is completely alien to us. They have far smaller capacity for thought, and you really can't compare their communication to language. You could argue that maybe a few species have the capacity for language, but no animals actually use it. Animal communication is not conversational its just a signals. I encourage you to do some research and you will see that animal communication is not thought of as language.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cetacean_intelligence

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_language

 

[Lloyd]

leave it. the difference between abstract thought and concrete idea do not register.

You have no idea what you are talking about. Concrete and abstract thought has nothing to do with the conversation. The point is that you don't need language to have ideas. For example, if you are going to ride a bike you need to have an idea about balance. This doesn't require language, its entirely abstract and happens as you get a feel for it. There are also many other cases like it.

 

[Biggest-Kusa-Out-There]

You have no idea what you are talking about. Concrete and abstract thought has nothing to do with the conversation. The point is that you don't need language to have ideas. For example, if you are going to ride a bike you need to have an idea about balance. This doesn't require language, its entirely abstract and happens as you get a feel for it. There are also many other cases like it.

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Instinct, Language, and Abstract thought are three different things. Why you mix them is beyond me. For you to understand the world in the most basic of levels you need language. Abstract ideas do not bring understanding, because understanding is inherent to the capacity to form languages and words, which are ideas WITH meaning. Instincts deal with balance in all animals, because it's a biological action handled by the unconcious.

 

[Lloyd]

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Instinct, Language, and Abstract thought are three different things. Why you mix them is beyond me. For you to understand the world in the most basic of levels you need language. Abstract ideas do not bring understanding, because understanding is inherent to the capacity to form languages and words, which are ideas WITH meaning. Instincts deal with balance in all animals, because it's a biological action handled by the unconcious.

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Like i said you don't seem to understand anything. You are the one conflating instinct, language, and abstract thought. Let me refute this absolute mess point by point. I never mentioned abstract ideas, i said thought itself is abstract. Even so, language is an abstract idea. Second, i have no clue where you pulled this shit about understanding from. You don't have to understand to form ideas. Also balance is in no way an instinct and definitely not handled by your unconscious (if that was the case you could sleep standing up lol). Again, please think before you post. Have a nice night.

 

[Biggest-Kusa-Out-There]

Like i said you don't seem to understand anything. You are the one conflating instinct, language, and abstract thought. Let me refute this absolute mess point by point. I never mentioned abstract ideas, i said thought itself is abstract. Even so, language is an abstract idea. Second, i have no clue where you pulled this shit about understanding from. You don't have to understand to form ideas. Also balance is in no way an instinct and definitely not handled by your subconscious (if that was the case you could sleep standing up lol). Again, please think before you post. Have a nice night.

What the fuck are you smoking? It's unconscious, that's why you don't sleep standing up, you sod. Subconscious has nothing to do with this.

ulbaek_origin_of_language.pdf (ku.edu) read a little

 

[Lloyd]

What the fuck are you smoking? It's unconscious, that's why you don't sleep standing up, you sod. Subconscious has nothing to do with this.

ulbaek_origin_of_language.pdf (ku.edu) read a little

Either way, balance isn't unconscious. It's learned consciously, and eventually becomes subconscious. If it was unconscious it would be like breathing, and you wouldn't need to learn to walk / riding a bike. This again proves my point that you form the idea of balance without needing language at all, because you have to consciously think about as you are learning it.

 

[Biggest-Kusa-Out-There]

Either way, balance isn't unconscious. It's learned consciously, and eventually becomes subconscious. If it was unconscious it would be like breathing, and you wouldn't need to learn to walk / riding a bike. This again proves my point that you form the idea of balance without needing language at all, because you have to consciously think about as you are learning it.

Human standing is modified by an unconscious integration of congruent sensory and motor signals​

Human standing is modified by an unconscious integration of congruent sensory and motor signals (nih.gov)

 

[Lloyd]

Human standing is modified by an unconscious integration of congruent sensory and motor signals​

Human standing is modified by an unconscious integration of congruent sensory and motor signals (nih.gov)

The fact that you keep linking articles that you haven't read doesn't make you look more knowledgeable or prove your point. Anyone can google I'mrightdotcom and link it. lol