Why is romance sooo bad in isekai novels on this site.

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It's isekai. It's wish fulfillment. You want fleshed out characters and relationships, grab an actual book and not just an internet power fantasy.
Almost every genre of casual writing suffers from the same problems. Isekai is just highlighted due to its popularity, which it gets from its dedication to what fictional writing is mostly about, escaping to or experiencing another time, another place, another world.
 

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Most isekais on this site have no more than 50 chapters or so. At this point, 90% of them have a harem of 5+ members and MC is on a first-name basis with HOT SEXY GODDESS from another dimension that is also a virgin btw. There is no time to establish characters outside of MC, much less write a good romance. If u find a semi-good isekai with a high word-count then even if romance is not the main focus, just by the fact that characters had more time to interact with each other, romance will feel much more natural. You don't have to save someone from slavery for them to fall in love with you. Honestly just write about two characters just interacting with each other for like 20 chapters and then make them get together for whatever reason and it will still be much better than some forced scenario straight out of Cliche Town.
 

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For some reason, my first thought to "grab an actual book" was all the YA craziness after Twilight and Hunger Games. Let alone bookshelves, there were entire sections full of badly written wish fulfillment love triangles.

If you don't want to read OP wish fulfillment, don't read it. Read some other webnovel. Or some other hardcover. But using one (popular) subset of webnovels to rate the quality of all of them, is like saying, that modern literature is as shit as some of the Twilight Clones... or fifty shades of grey.
 

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Why is it when someone complains about romance in isekai, there is always someone who says, "go read some boys love or girls love".

Like, if the OP wanted to read something gay, would he be here complaining about the romance in the hetero isekai novels and his irritation with it?

There's almost always one of these people. And in SH specifically, that person is often Moonpearl.
 
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For some reason, my first thought to "grab an actual book" was all the YA craziness after Twilight and Hunger Games. Let alone bookshelves, there were entire sections full of badly written wish fulfillment love triangles.

If you don't want to read OP wish fulfillment, don't read it. Read some other webnovel. Or some other hardcover. But using one (popular) subset of webnovels to rate the quality of all of them, is like saying, that modern literature is as shit as some of the Twilight Clones... or fifty shades of grey.
I still don't get the popularity behind Twilight. I had to read them for a class assignment sadly, and there isn't much about them that stood out, even back then when vamps and werewolves weren't as much of a thing.

The Hunger Games weren't as bad. My main gripe with them is that I blame them, (indirectly perhaps), for the rise of the current trend of the battle-royale games popping up lately and in the past few years. I think it has more to do with the movies than the books though but I could be wrong about that.
 
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Why is most isekai romance on this site bad? For the same reason that most non-isekai romance is bad, most action scenes are bad, and there aren't that many great villains. All of that stuff is hard to write, and it's a lot easier to write half-assed smut that doesn't require much insight or characterization. That said, I've found that the top 10% of stories in most categories are superb and do these things well. And if there's anything incredibly specific that you'd like to see - and it appears that there is - then you should write it yourself or commission somebody to write it for you.
 

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Why is it when someone complains about romance in isekai, there is always someone who says, "go read some boys love or girls love".

Like, if the OP wanted to read something gay, would he be here complaining about the romance in the hetero isekai novels and his irritation with it?

There's almost always one of these people. And in SH specifically, that person is often Moonpearl.
<.< I think this issue applies regardless of sexual orientation. It feels as if 90% of GL particularly are written for views only anyway.

The tag certainly doesn't guarantee quality in any way.
 

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<.< I think this issue applies regardless of sexual orientation. It feels as if 90% of GL particularly are written for views only anyway.

The tag certainly doesn't guarantee quality in any way.
I'm not saying that GL or BL is automatically better. I've read many Japanese and Japanese-style isekai GL that have the same problems. It's just that I only really deal in queer novels, so everything I can think to recommend falls into that category.

There's no point in me compiling a list of recs if OP only wants hetero romance.
 

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<.< I think this issue applies regardless of sexual orientation. It feels as if 90% of GL particularly are written for views only anyway.

The tag certainly doesn't guarantee quality in any way.
So unrelated question, but are all isekai automatically considered Japanese? I mean I know the word is Japanese, but there are many chinese protag isekais, (oddly enough I've only seen one single korean isekai protag so koreans must not like the genre too much).
 

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So unrelated question, but is all isekai automatically considered Japanese? I mean I know the word is Japanese, but there are many chinese protag isekais, (oddly enough I've only seen one single korean isekai protag so koreans must not like the genre too much).
The genre is called popadantsy in Russia, but that doesn't make it automatically considered Russian either.
 

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The genre is called popadantsy in Russia, but that doesn't make it automatically considered Russian either.
Ah okay. Just wondering since I only hear it referred as Japanese for the most part. And Russians have their own versions? Any english translated?
 

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Ah okay. Just wondering since I only hear it referred as Japanese for the most part. And Russians have their own versions? Any english translated?
Booknet has some, but the English is only a step up from MTL. Reading the english translated version is no better than using google translator most of the time. For starters, I recommend going to popadantsy.com or author.today
 

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That kind of soft, slow romance, I've actually seen it most in fanfic. Since you don't have to worry about world building etc, and therefore a lot more time to properly explore the emotions and [romantic] life of the characters....



Kind of a shame that you can't "rank" genre tags to show which ones are more important, so that a reader can quickly tell whether the "Romance" genre plays a big role or not
 

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Cause what usually goes for romance here is. Man saves girl from slavery.
Man then expresses that girl is attractive.
Turns out that man was the first guy in the whole universe to show kindness to girl. The only good person girl ever encountered in her entire existence.
Definitely first person to ever call her beautiful.

After that girls falls super hard for guy.
Now the guy and girl never actually talk or do anything romantic. Then this continues and other girls join.

Also romance never feels alien or something you might see in different world.







Let me give a example of the type of romance I want in novels.
I have never read something with romance like this on the site

Like something like this never happens.
Guy has helped assist his first murder.
Bandit attack and due to useless mayor. He himself had to fight.

So he has natural reaction of being somewhat cranky and irritated. With a smudge of dread. After seeing how dangerous world is to him and that he might also die.
Or has been struggling at some task for a long time.

No one absolutely no one goes on full crying beside the river after seeing death. That is very unrealistic.
It will probably be anger and dread.


So
this scene happens.
" I just feel like the city infront of me could burn and I wouldn't care at all. Everything feels so irritating. Here I am trying to live a second life but here too I have to deal with this bullish it.
It's just such a shit world. Everyone is ignorant an idiot and each have such huge ego that they don't do anything and there primary concern is just stroking there ego"

Girl-"i sometimes get such a feeling too. Just an irritation at existence and the world. "

"I feel soo empty. I could just poison or assinate the mayor if I could. I feel more angry at him. The bandits did not even have much choice. It was either live a life without pleasurse and die a pointless death or attack some caravans . "

Girl "Anger with helplessness huh. Can't say I haven't felt that before.

You know what. Do you want to hunt? It might decrease your anger. It also provides an amazing feeling of freedom"

"But I don't want to hunt some innocent animal"
Girl "let's hunt a predator then . It's not so innocent "

Girl "let me get one to run I would call when it has started running "

Girl calls. They hunt a little. Naruto running over the trees.
The finally decide to attack the beast.

Guy stabs the beast but it starts yelping and guy starts feeling sympathy for it.

But girl insists that she should also atleast get one stab . Then she stabs a artery. Takes some blood on her hand.

Then she uses healing magic and let's it go.
Girl says that blood is really tasty. They drink a little.

After that guy says he wants to do something more innocent.

Girl suggests hide and seek through the forest.
Guy thinks how many years it has been since he last played hide and seek. Remembers childhood memory.

Then the girl hides.
Guy isn't able to find.
He sits near trunk of a tree.
Something bites playfully at his neck and pulls him to the pond. He falls in it.
He is started for a moment but seeing innocent childlike smile of girl calms him down.
Then they play chase.
Running over the branches.

They then get tired and girl uses wood magic to expand a branch and they sleep together under moonlight and stars on a tree.

The guy can just feel his stress fading away and being replaced by a feeling of warmth and home.

Magic also keeps mosquito away.


See this is romance. It feels alien innocent without making it look like that only thing two lovers can think of is each other.
I think what it boils down to, is character writing, as always. Which is more or less what I think you're hinting for.
I don't want to insult isekai as a genre, but the stories of such nature have, quite often, lacking characters.
Things that they lack?

Motivations. Quite often they lack this. I don't mind happy-go-lucky stories, but you want to feel a sense of purpose, of direction, when reading non slice-of-life.
Clear path of development. And this is what I find isekai characters lack the most. They change little, if at all. And often they don't need to, because they are without flaws to begin with. The purpose of a story, in my humble opinion, is the MC learning from it's mistakes.

Now imagine two deep characters, both with motivations for what they are doing. Both have flaws. In their time together, their flaws become apparent. This can put them into conflict with one another. But that also means that they have room to improve, and evolve together.

That is the true aspect of romance I believe. Not only the fluff.

Now lets talk about the pure-romance oriented isekai.
The problem I think many, like myself, have is that the only flaw, for instance male leads have in a story with female MC, is that the male lead has always the same flaw. He's abusive towards MC. And over time, he then becomes less so. While MC is created perfect.
But do you notice the mistake here? The MC being abusive isn't a flaw. It's an attitude. So he too is made perfect. A perfect asshole. And noone likes an asshole.
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So what's the solution? Experience. When I go back and try read my favourite fantasy trilogy from 15 years ago, I can't read it anymore. The characters are lacking the manner I mentioned.
And that is a result of getting older and gaining experience. I've read more, and seen more.

I believe that a lot of it has to do with writers lacking such experience. They are either young, haven't read enough, experienced enough, or been patient enough with their characters.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to hate on other writers, just recently beginning to write my first story myself.
Writers should write because they wish to. And learn from it. Sadly, it makes it difficult for those who are looking for deep quality writing. But who knows? The writer whose story is being critized for reasons stated, will write a gem you will enjoy some day. As long as their passion doesn't vane.

My apologies for the rant, and any hurt feelings.
 

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So unrelated question, but are all isekai automatically considered Japanese? I mean I know the word is Japanese, but there are many chinese protag isekais, (oddly enough I've only seen one single korean isekai protag so koreans must not like the genre too much).
The classic English name for the genre is "portal fantasy," and as I noted earlier in the thread, there are some famous novels in the genre. The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe, Alice in Wonderland, etc. Isekai is used as the modern name because it experienced a huge popularity and standardization surge in Japan in the 90s and 2000s.
 

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I still don't get the popularity behind Twilight. I had to read them for a class assignment sadly, and there isn't much about them that stood out, even back then when vamps and werewolves weren't as much of a thing.

The Hunger Games weren't as bad. My main gripe with them is that I blame them, (indirectly perhaps), for the rise of the current trend of the battle-royale games popping up lately and in the past few years. I think it has more to do with the movies than the books though but I could be wrong about that.
It's teenage girl wish fulfillment. I think the entire Twilight series was just a masturbation tool.
 
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