Your Opinion?

[Uwuwiii_676]

(Deleted) Got sent off by some of the replies!

 

[Eldoria]

I'm not interested in cultivation, nor am I interested in erotic content. So my opinion is: no, thank you.

 

[Deleted member 166465]

I'm not interested in cultivation, nor am I interested in erotic content. So my opinion is: no, thank you.

#metoo.

 

[Tyranomaster]

My opinion? Any and every author who is desperate for views and readers, but hasn't done any research or realized that it takes a long time to establish yourself unless already well known, probably lacks the skills to be a successful author.

If story hasn't been regularly publishing scheduled updates for 3+ months -> Ignored.

Author asks question that has been repeatedly answered -> Ignored.

Even responding to this thread in this manner was a waste of my time. I should be writing. I could even just be gaming or doing housework. Why would I spend MY time evaluating your novel that statistically will be dropped in 2 more days?

 

[Deleted member 166465]

My opinion? Any and every author who is desperate for views and readers, but hasn't done any research or realized that it takes a long time to establish yourself unless already well known, probably lacks the skills to be a successful author.

If story hasn't been regularly publishing scheduled updates for 3+ months -> Ignored.

Author asks question that has been repeatedly answered -> Ignored.

Even responding to this thread in this manner was a waste of my time. I should be writing. I could even just be gaming or doing housework. Why would I spend MY time evaluating your novel that statistically will be dropped in 2 more days?

wow, dude, that is enough. Is already dead.
Holly molly.

 

[Tyranomaster]

wow, dude, that is enough. Is already dead.
Holly molly.

Others and myself have made plenty of guides and helpful tips threads. There is an entire story feedback forum (which this isn't in). I've lost much hope for many aspiring authors, and I think it's probably better that they get in the right mindset so they aren't disappointed even further down the road after spending even more effort. Based on their profile (that they are looking to make money), they're better off doing literally any work that saves money or side hustle to produce a small amount of cash, than they'll ever make writing. Money from writing is like a nice little side perk. You have to WANT to write before the money ever comes. We're talking establishing yourself for over a year before you get enough money to occasionally purchase a singular drink for yourself. Hundreds to thousands of hours of work for a few scrapings.

Of course, some people do make it before then. Just like some people win the lottery, and some people are struck by lightning. Statistically, it's unlikely. Millions of youtube channels out there make no money. Hundreds of thousands to millions of authors make no money. There is a tiny, tiny subset who make any money, and an even smaller subset makes reasonable money. If they aren't already bothering to look into the forum titled "story feedback", the odds of them being in the money making subset shrink drastically.

 

[PancakesWitch]

your novel seems like it would fit in Webnovel the best, it has that clickbaity feel to it, a power that revolves around building a harem and having sex to become stronger, and an apocalyptic world where the mc is the only special one, which sums up 99% of the novels in that site
it could get some early traction and you should be able to get a few hundred bucks for the few first months before it slows down and you ultimately just drop the novel for yet another novel with a similar concept for the cycle to repeat until you are like some authors with like 20 unfinished novels writing yet another new novel and wondering why they have no more readers anymore once the audience realizes you will never finish or complete any of your books

 

[Uwuwiii_676]

That's very wrong. His only path to growing stronger is not by just having "sex."

Yes, the title suggests that. But honestly, the dual cultivation here has two meaning. One is for the sex and the other is beast taming. Thank you for your opinion, though.

Others and myself have made plenty of guides and helpful tips threads. There is an entire story feedback forum (which this isn't in). I've lost much hope for many aspiring authors, and I think it's probably better that they get in the right mindset so they aren't disappointed even further down the road after spending even more effort. Based on their profile (that they are looking to make money), they're better off doing literally any work that saves money or side hustle to produce a small amount of cash, than they'll ever make writing. Money from writing is like a nice little side perk. You have to WANT to write before the money ever comes. We're talking establishing yourself for over a year before you get enough money to occasionally purchase a singular drink for yourself. Hundreds to thousands of hours of work for a few scrapings.

Of course, some people do make it before then. Just like some people win the lottery, and some people are struck by lightning. Statistically, it's unlikely. Millions of youtube channels out there make no money. Hundreds of thousands to millions of authors make no money. There is a tiny, tiny subset who make any money, and an even smaller subset makes reasonable money. If they aren't already bothering to look into the forum titled "story feedback", the odds of them being in the money making subset shrink drastically.

I'm sorry if I posted this in the wrong forum, but I don't appreciate the kind of dip you gave to the novel. I suggested that you could check it out and just say what you think about it, I don't know if anyone understood that.

...However, thank you for the reply.
If you

My opinion? Any and every author who is desperate for views and readers, but hasn't done any research or realized that it takes a long time to establish yourself unless already well known, probably lacks the skills to be a successful author.

If story hasn't been regularly publishing scheduled updates for 3+ months -> Ignored.

Author asks question that has been repeatedly answered -> Ignored.

Even responding to this thread in this manner was a waste of my time. I should be writing. I could even just be gaming or doing housework. Why would I spend MY time evaluating your novel that statistically will be dropped in 2 more days?

If you need me to delete the thread, I will. I'm not hungry for anything. Thank you once again :)

I'm not interested in cultivation, nor am I interested in erotic content. So my opinion is: no, thank you.

Now this is exactly the kind of opinions I need :)

My opinion? Any and every author who is desperate for views and readers, but hasn't done any research or realized that it takes a long time to establish yourself unless already well known, probably lacks the skills to be a successful author.

If story hasn't been regularly publishing scheduled updates for 3+ months -> Ignored.

Author asks question that has been repeatedly answered -> Ignored.

Even responding to this thread in this manner was a waste of my time. I should be writing. I could even just be gaming or doing housework. Why would I spend MY time evaluating your novel that statistically will be dropped in 2 more days?

I don't drop novels, and it's actually completed I my Docs already with 1532 Chapters.

 

[Deleted member 166465]

Others and myself have made plenty of guides and helpful tips threads. There is an entire story feedback forum (which this isn't in). I've lost much hope for many aspiring authors, and I think it's probably better that they get in the right mindset so they aren't disappointed even further down the road after spending even more effort. Based on their profile (that they are looking to make money), they're better off doing literally any work that saves money or side hustle to produce a small amount of cash, than they'll ever make writing. Money from writing is like a nice little side perk. You have to WANT to write before the money ever comes. We're talking establishing yourself for over a year before you get enough money to occasionally purchase a singular drink for yourself. Hundreds to thousands of hours of work for a few scrapings.

Of course, some people do make it before then. Just like some people win the lottery, and some people are struck by lightning. Statistically, it's unlikely. Millions of youtube channels out there make no money. Hundreds of thousands to millions of authors make no money. There is a tiny, tiny subset who make any money, and an even smaller subset makes reasonable money. If they aren't already bothering to look into the forum titled "story feedback", the odds of them being in the money making subset shrink drastically.

Ninja, get real. No one here is really making "money" the best are getting peanuts.
Anyway, I been in this writing stuff for over 20 years (just started taking it seriusly like 6 years ago before the bullshit). Invested 10k euros on it, got 23 euros back and four boxes of books no one will read.
I am not a good writer by any metric (maybe one day). Still most writer over here are worse than me (although they consider themselves 10/10). So let the guy waste his time. The last week I sent 25 editorial proposals to 25 diferent literary agents, all I got was "We are no accepting manuscript do to the excesive amount of proposals", that is the old way. Here in the web is a lot worse.
So discouraging Mr. Uwuwiii_676 aint gonna reduce the amount of slob by much, let him or her do his/her stuff. I dont like the subject, just the synopsis make roll my eyes and wish for the meteor to drop, but hey, I have seen worst.

 

[Tyranomaster]

I don't drop novels, and it's actually completed I my Docs already with 1532 Chapters.

If true, good on you, though there isn't anything more than your word to go on here. In the author note at the bottom of chapter 10, you say: "A/N: This is my first time writing an explicit scene of this nature, so I'm aware it may not yet be fully immersive. I had to read extensively to produce even this short piece. However, I promise to refine and develop this aspect as the story progresses. Thank you for your support!"

If the story is done, best you go back and start editing those chapters. The phrasing here makes it sound like you're still actively writing the story, just as an FYI.

To show I'm good faith, I gave it a skim. Maybe because you're pushing webnovel (and I don't know if the writing meta is different there now, though it used to still use normal formatting), the formatting leaves something to be desired. Every sentence is a new line, and multiple of your authors notes, quotes, and even a few chapters have formatting issues. This is likely due to copying from one writing location to another without fixing the formatting. I used to write on a different program, which led to formatting issues when copying. I honestly just use SH's editor now, and it copies into everything well (other than line breaks --- not copying to Patreon).

Paragraphs help give the reader's mind valuable breakpoints to reflect on what is happening. If I wanted to reflect on something halfway through the chapters currently, it'd be hard to justify, since I don't have a good reference frame for reflecting. Often when people begin to think while they read, they end up having to re-read, which, without paragraphs, the search becomes very difficult.

I'd also definitely fix your author's notes at the bottom of your chapters. Put them in [author] What you want to be separated [/author].

There are a few other areas that could use improvement. Chapter 3 you say:
"It was at this moment he realised he had made a catastrophic mistake.

Badly."

Following a high power adjective like catastrophic with a single line "badly" doesn't read very well. When you go to read your own chapters for editing, if these aren't on new lines its a bit easier to catch the issue.

Another thing. Chapter 5:

"Even watching a man's head removed right in front of him barely stirred him now. He had seen far too many scenes of that nature, even bodies ground entirely into pieces.

The gore… ugh.

Now, two issues probed him.

It was getting... umm... maybe 'a bit darker' would fit.

Yes, it was getting darker."

There is a frequent issue with tone where we go from matter-of-fact third person omniscient into a more laid back 3rd person narrative. I'm not a smut reader, and not really into cultivation either, but there are quite a few grammatical and tone issues that distract me.

~No amount of Hubris, Ego, or Excuses helps when trying to be a successful author. Reality always wins. Correcting mistakes is free. Having a *successful* story is like 20-30% the story, and the rest being peripheral management of the story. Just as being a successful restaurant operator is only 20-30% cooking. I'd advise looking at some of the guides people have put a lot of time an effort into here (and in other places) for success in writing webnovels. If you've already written all those chapters, great. Spend 80 or so hours reading over webnovel guides so that you can more successfully market and reach your target audience.

Edit: The point about being in the wrong forum wasn't a rule's based nitpick. The point was that it shows a lack of care to do deeper research into success. Upon skimming the work itself, it led me to the same conclusion. These can be corrected through work, it's not like they're impossible to fix. Judging from the fact the initial comment is now deleted though, I'd suspect that the concern is actually not with becoming more successful, but with hoping to have the ego stroked.

Edit2: For reference, 1536 chapters at approximately 1500 words a chapter is 2.3 million words. The web serialization of Worm is 1.7 million words. All of Harry Potter is just over 1 million words. I'm impressed that you've written all of this and are only just now publishing it.

 

[Uwuwiii_676]

If true, good on you, though there isn't anything more than your word to go on here. In the author note at the bottom of chapter 10, you say: "A/N: This is my first time writing an explicit scene of this nature, so I'm aware it may not yet be fully immersive. I had to read extensively to produce even this short piece. However, I promise to refine and develop this aspect as the story progresses. Thank you for your support!"

If the story is done, best you go back and start editing those chapters. The phrasing here makes it sound like you're still actively writing the story, just as an FYI.

To show I'm good faith, I gave it a skim. Maybe because you're pushing webnovel (and I don't know if the writing meta is different there now, though it used to still use normal formatting), the formatting leaves something to be desired. Every sentence is a new line, and multiple of your authors notes, quotes, and even a few chapters have formatting issues. This is likely due to copying from one writing location to another without fixing the formatting. I used to write on a different program, which led to formatting issues when copying. I honestly just use SH's editor now, and it copies into everything well (other than line breaks --- not copying to Patreon).

Paragraphs help give the reader's mind valuable breakpoints to reflect on what is happening. If I wanted to reflect on something halfway through the chapters currently, it'd be hard to justify, since I don't have a good reference frame for reflecting. Often when people begin to think while they read, they end up having to re-read, which, without paragraphs, the search becomes very difficult.

I'd also definitely fix your author's notes at the bottom of your chapters. Put them in [author] What you want to be separated [/author].

There are a few other areas that could use improvement. Chapter 3 you say:
"It was at this moment he realised he had made a catastrophic mistake.

Badly."

Following a high power adjective like catastrophic with a single line "badly" doesn't read very well. When you go to read your own chapters for editing, if these aren't on new lines its a bit easier to catch the issue.

Another thing. Chapter 5:

"Even watching a man's head removed right in front of him barely stirred him now. He had seen far too many scenes of that nature, even bodies ground entirely into pieces.

The gore… ugh.

Now, two issues probed him.

It was getting... umm... maybe 'a bit darker' would fit.

Yes, it was getting darker."

There is a frequent issue with tone where we go from matter-of-fact third person omniscient into a more laid back 3rd person narrative. I'm not a smut reader, and not really into cultivation either, but there are quite a few grammatical and tone issues that distract me.

~No amount of Hubris, Ego, or Excuses helps when trying to be a successful author. Reality always wins. Correcting mistakes is free. Having a *successful* story is like 20-30% the story, and the rest being peripheral management of the story. Just as being a successful restaurant operator is only 20-30% cooking. I'd advise looking at some of the guides people have put a lot of time an effort into here (and in other places) for success in writing webnovels. If you've already written all those chapters, great. Spend 80 or so hours reading over webnovel guides so that you can more successfully market and reach your target audience.

Edit: The point about being in the wrong forum wasn't a rule's based nitpick. The point was that it shows a lack of care to do deeper research into success. Upon skimming the work itself, it led me to the same conclusion. These can be corrected through work, it's not like they're impossible to fix. Judging from the fact the initial comment is now deleted though, I'd suspect that the concern is actually not with becoming more successful, but with hoping to have the ego stroked.

By completed, I mean the outlines, so there is always room for changes and improvements. Your opinion matters and seems fair enough, but trying to de-grade a book (not referring to your suggestions here) simply because it relates to genres that put you off doesn’t really seem mature...

 

[Deleted member 166465]

By completed, I mean the outlines, so there is always room for changes and improvements. Your opinion matters and seems fair enough, but trying to de-grade a book (not referring to your suggestions here) simply because it relates to genres that put you off doesn’t really seem mature...

The outline? what does that mean?
You have writen 1500+ chapter, or you have a planing to write 1500 chapters?
Wich one is it?

 

[Uwuwiii_676]

The outline? what does that mean?
You have writen 1500+ chapter, or you have a planing to write 1500 chapters?
Wich one is it?

Over 1,500 chapter outlines have been written — though not the chapters themselves. Every chapter is already planned out before uploading. I spent years on the world-building and everything tied to it. You’ll come to understand, as I also insist on uploading daily without fail, since all I need to do now is expand each outline I’ve written into a full chapter.

An outline in writing is basically a plan or roadmap for a story, chapter, or book.

It doesn’t actually contain all the full prose or dialogue, but it sets out the key events, character actions, twists, and progression that will take place.

Umm… think of it as the skeleton of the story, while the final written chapter is the flesh.

For example:

Outline: “Kyle enters the forest, encounters a wounded beast, and decides whether to help it or not. His choice affects the next chapter.”

Finished Chapter: A full narrative with descriptions, dialogue, pacing, and atmosphere.

 

[Deleted member 166465]

Over 1,500 chapter outlines have been written — though not the chapters themselves. Every chapter is already planned out before uploading. I spent years on the world-building and everything tied to it. You’ll come to understand, as I also insist on uploading daily without fail, since all I need to do now is expand each outline I’ve written into a full chapter.

An outline in writing is basically a plan or roadmap for a story, chapter, or book.

It doesn’t actually contain all the full prose or dialogue, but it sets out the key events, character actions, twists, and progression that will take place.

Umm… think of it as the skeleton of the story, while the final written chapter is the flesh.

For example:

Outline: “Kyle enters the forest, encounters a wounded beast, and decides whether to help it or not. His choice affects the next chapter.”

Finished Chapter: A full narrative with descriptions, dialogue, pacing, and atmosphere.

So, you aint got shit.
You aint got 1500+ chapters, you got an idea.
Everyone has an outline for many things. Hell I got... wait, let me count... the outline of 5 stories, two Noirs, a huge fantasy (15 chapters fully written maybe a 1000 chapters), an apocaliptic religious horror (20 chapters written will go up to I dont know 70 chapters, maybe more). and a resurrection/scape from hell horror. I would say that I have an "outline" for at least 3 million words. The truth is I aint got shit.
I tried to give you the benefit of the doubt, but I see Mr. Tyranomaster was right.
Anyway, I will drop this now.
Good luck and hope you fullfill your 1500+ chapter and it is a success. although now, I got my doubts.

 

[SternenklarenRitter]

Every new and aspiring author has no experience. Asking basic questions about absolutely everything is a normal and healthy part of being a newbie. Yes, nearly all of such questions can probably be answered with "worry about that after you get more experience writing." But even if its repetitive, newbies don't deserve this sort of hostility. Could y'all please stop dumping on the newbies? We really shouldn't mock them for their inexperience. If you bully them now, aspiring authors will give up on their creative spark and you will never get to read the masterwork they might publish 20 years later. Even if they never write more than a 200 word synopsis, the world is a better place for them having clacked the keyboard. So I am glad that Uwuwiii_676 is writing, and I am happy to see them asking for advice in the forums. And thank you for writing.

 

[Terrate]

I didn’t see what the whole description was other than the title. But Op is getting destroyed for some reason. What did he say to deserve this?

 

[Tyranomaster]

I can only give my recalled synopsis of it, which is flavored by my initial perception, but I'll give my perceptions along with it, so you can see why I was initially set off.

First, the old title of the thread was, "What's your opinion of my new potential rising stars novel?"

This isn't royal road, the lingo on this site is trending, not rising stars. The novel they're writing isn't even on royalroad. That's a red flag that either this is a kinda crap attempt at advertising on the forum, or that they asked GPT to come up with a title for the thread, and it concocted the "buzzword title". Now, after skimming their novel later, it could have just been a tone and grammar issue, which is a common flaw in their writing style, so that might have been my misperception. However! As a story teller, if you cause those misperceptions, it's already a bad sign.

The bulk of the post wasn't anything particularly egregious. A few semi-boastful claims etc, which again read as just advertising to me, a way to try to "evoke" getting opinions from people. It was worded, however, as if asking for feedback directly. Again, likely actually trying to "slyly" market their story. Based on the phrasing, however, we have a "story feedback" subforum which would have been much more appropriate based on their title and post. Now that it's deleted, and it just says, "Your Opinion?" sure, this subforum would be fine.

These are again, just red flags I initially noticed. I had initially thought they might be another AI poster so I snooped a little on their profile and story page before posting. Their author profile still says "Just an aspiring Webnovel author, willing to earn money for my family and everyone around me to be comfortable. You can check me out on WN: BgDaddy". So, SH to them is marketing. They've dressed it up to sound humble, but rephrased, "They want to get wealthy enough from writing that they can spend money on people around them." That's very wealthy, and a money oriented goal. There isn't anything wrong with wanting money, but writing isn't the place to make it easily. One *can* make a living from it, but it's well below average pay unless you make it to Sanderson/King/Rowling levels of popularity and fame. They're some of the only people who meet the author's stated goal (at least within western countries, maybe in some poorer nations lower fame levels would allow for more wiggle room).

I'm going to continue raking new authors over the coals who have hubris without anything to actually back it up. You can see the later interactions. "I've written..." "Well, I've outlined...". When I get certain egotistical vibes from someone, I'm going to treat them in a way I would someone in another hobbyist field making really dumb mistakes in the way they're doing something. This post, as a woodworking comparison, would be like seeing someone in a store purchasing a masonry saw, 8-inch nails, a sledge hammer, and 2x4s, claiming they're planning on building a house with just those items. That'd be a really, really bad idea. It wouldn't be kind to such a person to just give them some gentle advice of "actually you should use these nails instead, tee-hee. They need to be told to research how to build a house, and then they can go buy supplies.

I genuinely, GENUINELY, want every author to succeed. It takes determination, skill, and know-how. Their initial post, and then my further looking into it, and skimming of their story shows me that they should be doing more research if they actually want to meet their goal. I don't go around to random posts where people are like "I want feedback on my first ever story to improve!" and dunk on them. But, if you have an ego like you're already big league material, and want to be big league material, then I'm gonna treat you like it. When I read into their post I saw a big ego without any form of justification for said ego, which I largely feel like I pegged correctly later.

The issue is that many people come in, haughty attitude, "My first novel is gonna be a huge hit, gimme the views now pls." They believe, whole heartedly, that being an author means telling a story. Being an author, or at least a successful-ish one, requires a lot more than telling a story. If they want money, and potentially fame, they need to learn fast that it's a harsh, competitive world to be a successful author. Dozens of people on this forum alone have spent hours, days, possibly even weeks writing detailed and easy to read guides to help new authors out. The information is all out there. I'm willing to stake something on that as well, because my first real novel (I'd written some short stories in other places that did *okayish*) has hit trending #1 at one point, is doing decently, and I put a lot of that down to the fact that before I started writing, I sat down, read a bunch of the forum posts here and on other sites about the correct way to go about all this. I'd say I did about 80 hours of research into what to do and not do.

I don't expect everyone to do that. Many people don't even realize they should. That's fine. Often times aspiring authors come in with a humble post asking for advise. Often times myself and others will link them to the very fine resources available. This post did not read as humble to me. It read as hubris dressed in fake humility, like their author profile. That's why I wrote the way I did. They weren't looking for actual opinions, they were looking for eyeballs and praise.

 

[RepresentingWrath]

Every new and aspiring author has no experience. Asking basic questions about absolutely everything is a normal and healthy part of being a newbie. Yes, nearly all of such questions can probably be answered with "worry about that after you get more experience writing." But even if its repetitive, newbies don't deserve this sort of hostility. Could y'all please stop dumping on the newbies? We really shouldn't mock them for their inexperience. If you bully them now, aspiring authors will give up on their creative spark and you will never get to read the masterwork they might publish 20 years later. Even if they never write more than a 200 word synopsis, the world is a better place for them having clacked the keyboard. So I am glad that Uwuwiii_676 is writing, and I am happy to see them asking for advice in the forums. And thank you for writing.

Good old toxic positivity.

 

[laccoff_mawning]

My opinion is fact. That is my opinion.