Your Opinion on Western/Westernized Cultivation Novels

[XMOS]

A genre is a literary genre! It shouldn't be locked to only people of a selected culture!

Agree with this!

 

[BlackKnightX]

If it's good, it's good.

 

[ThrillingHuman]

Did you miss read or something? Cause the first phrase literally said often and not that it's specifically, just and only for Asian novels.

The term "cultivation" refers to a specific subgenre often found in East Asian literature, particularly in Chinese, Korean, and Japanese genres like xianxia, wuxia, and cultivation novels.

I underline it and make it in bold in case you still didn't see it.

If you called it "only", I'd argue with you because EA literature is literature published in EA. Which is not necessarily the case for a genre.

You are talking about the Xianxia genre here not just "Cultivation" genre.

Xianxia is fantasy based on Chinese folklore. There is no necessity to put emphasis on the pursuit of immortality

 

[RepresentingPride]

Xianxia is fantasy based on Chinese folklore. There is no necessity to put emphasis on the pursuit of immortality

That why Xianxia and Cultivation are separated genre but you misinterpret Xianxia for cultivation. If it's a Xianxia cultivation story, then the story resolve around the myth and folklore of Chinese while the character pursuit the immortality or higher realm, but if it's just a Xianxia, then there no need for cultivation in it.

 

[NotaNuffian]

for me it doesn't enter the cultivation novels, they don't use any energy given by the universe to grow stronger, it's the system in these universes who help them growing stronger by doing task or killing life.

I find it sad that the system gets kicked out as not being a cultivation thingy.

Because I find the chinese "suck air -> male preg" fits nicely with the LitRPG "LEVEL UP!"

Also, in some sense, LitRPG is the western equivalent to the taoism mutation/ body horror. With their own respective radiation source, LitRPG's EXP/ Lifeforce from downed foes to cultivation' "air"

 

[Deleted member 1244]

Some times fusion food works some times it don't

 

[TsumiHokiro]

Xianxia is fantasy based on Chinese folklore. There is no necessity to put emphasis on the pursuit of immortality

It IS one of the staples of the cultivation genre, sorry? Cultivation is not about Immortality, it is about self-improvement, and the different ways that one has to go through in order to achieve that. It is laced very heavily in all this mystic of "martial arts", "Buddhism" and "Taoism", but it is because it originated in a context that was favourable for that!

Then how would you consider LitRPG and acts of genocide against things that provide the so-called EXP? From the understanding, it is a form of cultivation novel.

Are you going to tell me that litrpg can only be those that people killing monsters for rpg? What if they get XP not from killing people but from reading books? Or crafting things? What if it was from going smut with someone else?
LitRPG is more about the details through which the author explains their novel power up mechanics! You could very well make a cultivation LitRPG, where you would be very explicit and make everything so detailed, so explicit as if it was a GAME instead of people without absolute characteristics called "status" or anything of the sort.

 

[ThrillingHuman]

That why Xianxia and Cultivation are separated genre but you misinterpret Xianxia for cultivation.

It IS one of the staples of the cultivation genre, sorry? Cultivation is not about Immortality, it is about self-improvement, and the different ways that one has to go through in order to achieve that. It is laced very heavily in all this mystic of "martial arts", "Buddhism" and "Taoism", but it is because it originated in a context that was favourable for that!

I already wrote the definition I use and why I use that definition specifically.

 

[NotaNuffian]

Some times fusion food works some times it don't

I am a fat fuck and I will eat these.

 

[ThrillingHuman]

Are you going to tell me that litrpg can only be those that people killing monsters for rpg? What if they get XP not from killing people but from reading books? Or crafting things? What if it was from going smut with someone else?
LitRPG is more about the details through which the author explains their novel power up mechanics! You could very well make a cultivation LitRPG, where you would be very explicit and make everything so detailed, so explicit as if it was a GAME instead of people without absolute characteristics called "status" or anything of the sort.

he never said it. Technically, he referred to a specific subgenre of litrpg. Or are you saying those stories don't exist?

 

[RepresentingPride]

I already wrote the definition I use and why I use that definition specifically.

But it's written even in the definition you give us.

This tag is to be used preferably only for Chinese novels. Cultivation refers to the protagonist trying to acquire immortality and/or supreme power by the accumulation and usage of Qi. This tag is typical of the Xianxia genre.

 

[ThrillingHuman]

But it's written even in the definition you give us.

This tag is to be used preferably only for Chinese novels. Cultivation refers to the protagonist trying to acquire immortality and/or supreme power by the accumulation and usage of Qi. This tag is typical of the Xianxia genre.

preferably only for Chinese novels but maybe for Philippino too if you really want.
This tag is typical for xianxia genre but not all xianxia novels have it.
So? Your point?

 

[RepresentingPride]

preferably only for Chinese novels but maybe for Philippino too if you really want.
This tag is typical for xianxia genre but not all cianxia novels have it.
So? Your point?

My point is to use SH tags definition are not all time good, there some tags that don't even have a definition in the list of the tags, what would you do if the day come you want to write these genre? you will stay with the SH definition that are empty?

 

[ThrillingHuman]

My point is to use SH tags definition are not all time good, there some tags that don't even have a definition in the list of the tags, what would you do if the day come you want to write these genre? you will stay with the SH definition that are empty?

We aren't talking about hypothetical definitions but a specific case.
It's interesting that SH are empty but yours are not. I might as well write my own then. Okay, from now litrpg and self-help books are cultivation. @genimi (can't remember how to write his name) already put the arguments for this. What, my definition is not empty.
See why I chose to use SH definition?

 

[RepresentingPride]

We aren't talking about hypothetical definitions but a specific case.
It's interesting that SH are empty but yours are not. I might as well write my own then. Okay, from now litrpg and self-help books are cultivation. @genimi (can't remember how to write his name) already put the arguments for this. What, my definition is not empty.
See why I chose to use SH definition?

Well, I won't try to argue further since, apparently, you will stay with the SH definition no matter what I could say, even if I try to take another example of different tags to prove my point of using only the definition given by SH didn't mean it's a fact and the whole community has to see it like this.

 

[ThrillingHuman]

Well, I won't try to argue further since, apparently, you will stay with the SH definition no matter what I could say, even if I try to take another example of different tags to prove my point of using only the definition given by SH didn't mean it's a fact and the whole community has to see it like this.

I never force anybody to see it like I do. The original question was about how we (individually) see the genres. And, in fact, it was you who went on to try and convince me otherwise. So don't try to paint me like I try to make the whole community the genres in the exact way I do. Much less when the way you do it is by offering an arbitrary definition and saying that it's somehow better and referencing abstract people.

 

[TsumiHokiro]

he never said it. Technically, he referred to a specific subgenre of litrpg. Or are you saying those stories don't exist?

I never said, just like you said, he said those stories don't exist.
I would very much like you to not pick a fight with me. I was merely expanding the definition of what LitRPG could be, just like what Cultivation can also be. In case you do not agree, as I see you are so insistent, then, please, present plausible arguments that could prove your point.
In case you do not have them, I'd rather stay out of the squabble you are trying to arrange here.

 

[RepresentingPride]

I never force anybody to see it like I do. The original question was about how we (individually) see the genres. And, in fact, it was you who went on to try and convince me otherwise. So don't try to paint me like I try to make the whole community the genres in the exact way I do. Much less when the way you do it is by offering an arbitrary definition and saying that it's somehow better and referencing abstract people.

I may have been biased with my liking for the genre in my replies due to the definition you give with SH and how I understand your replies as a statement and not a personal preference, sorry for that.

 

[Daitengu]

IMO western versions at least have their own spin on it, when it's actually cultivation. I've read around a dozen CN cultivation stories and they're all playing with the same rule set and the same characters. Think of it like western fantasy, but everything is set in D&D rules.

 

[ThrillingHuman]

I never said, just like you said, he said those stories don't exist.
I would very much like you to not pick a fight with me. I was merely expanding the definition of what LitRPG could be, just like what Cultivation can also be. In case you do not agree, as I see you are so insistent, then, please, present plausible arguments that could prove your point.
In case you do not have them, I'd rather stay out of the squabble you are trying to arrange here.

The one "starting a squabble" is you. I merely copy you
Let's look

Then how would you consider LitRPG and acts of genocide against things that provide the so-called EXP? From the understanding, it is a form of cultivation novel.

Dude is not talking about all of litrpg in particular here. He is referencing a genre and a staple. He is not making direct statements about a genre
But

Are you going to tell me that litrpg can only be those that people killing monsters for rpg? What if they get XP not from killing people but from reading books? Or crafting things? What if it was from going smut with someone else?

You begin bizarrely accusing him of "telling you what to think" or something
Which, no offense, is a very Karen move that I parodied by

Or are you saying those stories don't exist?

by accusing you of telling me what to think

So, who's "starting a squabble" again?

I may have been biased with my liking for the genre in my replies due to the definition you give with SH and how I understand your replies as a statement and not a personal preference, sorry for that.

it's okay, no harm.