Writing a self-insert series

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I'm sure some of you authors out there dream of going on grand adventures, having a harem full of girls of your type, being the rule of the world, etc. Obviously, it's next to impossible for the most of us. But we'll still end up fantasizing about being able to do all these things.

Being writers, some of us will end up self-inserting ourselves into our stories. Tell me, is that wrong? Will you consider it cringey and creepy?
 
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No but my mc isn't really a self insert.
 

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If I'm able to self-insert in my MC and comfortably make the decisions they make in my story, then I think I've created a successful MC :>
 

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For a while, I jumped on the bandwagon that everyone was pushing. "Ew, that's a Mary Sue, self-inserts are the worst." I didn't really think about it, since most of my interest in Fantasy is world-building and magic/monster lore.

When I did think about it, it became obvious that it was a mostly subjective thing backed up by a little bit of bad writing. There's a lot of reasons why you might hate an author's self insert character. And I'll probably still say I don't like those things when I spot them.

But, it's possible to write an interesting story where the character is a self-insert; either for the author, or for the reader. I'm too tired to go into detail right now, lol.
 

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Self-insert is only bad if it is combined together with wish fullfillment. That's a match made in hell that will drag your story down into the mud.

There is no real problem with either of those things on their own. The real danger only crops up when you combine them. A self-insert can also be described as the author writing what they know. You will write better when you have things to add that you relate to well.

Wish-fulfillment on it's own can appeal to the reader and giving them a bit of escapism. That craving for escapism will give them a desire to engage more deeply with the story. When writing a wish-fulfillment story, though, you have to think about your audience. Not yourself. If you are writing wish-fulfillment just to fulfill your own wishes, you run the risk of doing your protagonist too many favors, which will ruin the story.

In my main series, Key to the Void, I based my MC 1/3 on myself. She is informed and inspired by 3 people, myself being one of them. I run a little bit of a fine line due to the fact that the other 2 people are people who I consider role-models, but I feel like I mostly compensate for this issue with the direction I'm planning to take this story. It is not at all a situation I would ever like to be in myself.
 

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I had a bitter reaction to self-insert characters in the past. Until I read 'This Bites' (a One Piece SI fanfic), I must say there are authors out there that do some amazing things with the idea.:blob_popcorn:

I guess all OC characters have some sort of self reflection in them even if the author doesn't necessarily mean to, since that's a way to reach optimum realisticity. Asking 'What would I do in this situation?' is a natural way to test it.
 

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I'm sure soe of you authors out there dream of going on grand adventures, having a harem full of girls of your type, being the rule of the world, etc. Obviously, it's next to impossible for the most of us. But we'll still end up fantasizing about being able to do all these things.

Being writers, some of us will end up self-inserting ourselves into our stories. Tell me, is that wrong? Will you consider it cringey and creepy?
Just double down and don't expect much from other people reading it. The audience of a selfinsert is you. If other people happen to like it, neat. If not, well it's meant to be a record of you playing pretend anyway, so who cares?
 
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No, my Mcs are not self-insert. To be honest, I'm really jealous at them. Because I know that I will never be like them. First is a Kaneki-like mc with this invisible kagune. The second is a Lucky bastard who fucked women all around. The third is a guy who became a God of the Earth.

Even if I self-insert to my stories, I knew that I can never be the protagonist. So I'll be disappointed instead. :blob_cookie:
 

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I would understand such a story but not read it. I don't know if it's counts as me thinking it cringe or not tho.


Oh, oh oh! Actually, I think I slightly fetishize non-humanity and nihilism, so would it count as self-insert if I wrote about a non-sentiment force of nature bringing about death and destruction all around?
 

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Not really, I think it is fine for author to do whatever they want in their own story. The only time I would find it creepy when SI keep doing immoral combined with nonsense thing, without consequence fall upon them... which is wish-fullfillment in very dark way. Otherwise, normal wish-fullfillment is just fine to me.

Everyone can dream to do whatever they want after all.

But if you ask me if I did that too, I never saw my self as my own SI. I just can't see myself as a protagonist.
 

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Okay. So, here me out real quick.

Don't make a self-insert character.

Make a self-insert world.

As in, Every Single Element In The World You're Writing In, is a piece of you. You're looking to capture a bit of yourself, or your experiences, in every character, in every place, at every.... you get the picture.

One problem is if it's very obvious that the SI is super special awesome because they're the author dammit. One way to get around this: What's your favorite trait about yourself? Get it the fuck out of your SI, and put it on the Villain. Watch what happens when you end up developing both sides of your conflict and be amazing.

But that was a tangent. But it did demonstrate something: We are at odds with ourselves. Capture that. That is cool. Write about it. Yum.

SIs are spooky because they tempt us to pat ourselves on the back. Just remember humility in yourself, and they're just another character, who you get to resonate with. Booya.

Or you can resonate with your entire world, and spend hours being lost in the characters interacting with each other, and draw parallels to yourself, and subsequently wonder if what you did counts as some sort of mindfulness training? And go on wild dives into the internet from there.
 

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I'm sure soe of you authors out there dream of going on grand adventures, having a harem full of girls of your type, being the rule of the world, etc. Obviously, it's next to impossible for the most of us. But we'll still end up fantasizing about being able to do all these things.

Being writers, some of us will end up self-inserting ourselves into our stories. Tell me, is that wrong? Will you consider it cringey and creepy?
only if things always go their way. Like the super smart, manipulative MCs who seem able to control everything and outsmart everyone via mind games or other tricks. And no matter how bad things get, its always, "you thought you outsmarted me, but I outsmarted you outsmarting me!" and they reveal they manipulated everything from the start

THOSE mcs are the type I can consider cringey and creepy. Cuz come on, they ALWAYS win? They never get surprised or outwitted, having to adapt on the fly? Thats dumb, its obvious its just the authors forcing things in their favor.

Personally, I like fucking with my MCs. Cuz they're usually pretty handsome and capable, and so why should they be happy? So they end up in fucky situations somehow or another. Just cuz im petty and wanna piss them off. I dunno if anyone else is the same. Like, you make an MC who you just wanna mess with? Like, dude. You've got cute girls and a big dick, what is you bitching about?
 

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I'm sure soe of you authors out there dream of going on grand adventures, having a harem full of girls of your type, being the rule of the world, etc. Obviously, it's next to impossible for the most of us. But we'll still end up fantasizing about being able to do all these things.

Being writers, some of us will end up self-inserting ourselves into our stories. Tell me, is that wrong? Will you consider it cringey and creepy?
wrong? no. cringy? yes, creepy? not really. and readers won't complain as long as the character does what they want. after all, they're also inserting themselves as the character.
 

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If you do it well, your self-insert shouldn't be too much different from any other character.
People mostly hate on self-inserts because its not a self-insert but a "me, but better" self-insert.

Edit: Example: There is a difference between inserting "you" who is writing the novel and inserting "you" who doens't know about anything.
 

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I write idealized versions of myself...

and end up hating them all the more for it.
 

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Just double down and don't expect much from other people reading it. The audience of a selfinsert is you. If other people happen to like it, neat. If not, well it's meant to be a record of you playing pretend anyway, so who cares?
The thing is, there's this guy at a manga site that I always frequent (you probably know who he is if you went to mangapark long enough). He just LOVES dissing on these supposedly self-insert isekai harem stories. He would find one, gives it half a star, then copy paste the same crappy review of "OP MC getting a harem, blah blah blah". He's the very reason I asked the question onthe post.

Before I became a writer, all I thought then I saw his "reviews" is that "man, he must be very bored". After I became a writer myself, however, I started to hate on guys like him who just starts crapping on others' hard work without giving a proper criticism.
 

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I'm sure some of you authors out there dream of going on grand adventures, having a harem full of girls of your type, being the rule of the world, etc. Obviously, it's next to impossible for the most of us. But we'll still end up fantasizing about being able to do all these things.

Being writers, some of us will end up self-inserting ourselves into our stories. Tell me, is that wrong? Will you consider it cringey and creepy?
Nah. As long as it‘s fun, who cares, right? And self-insert is very common in web novels. The majority of web novels are self-insert to some extent. Though, mostly the authors will make the upgraded version of themself into a main character.
 

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The thing is, there's this guy at a manga site that I always frequent (you probably know who he is if you went to mangapark long enough). He just LOVES dissing on these supposedly self-insert isekai harem stories. He would find one, gives it half a star, then copy paste the same crappy review of "OP MC getting a harem, blah blah blah". He's the very reason I asked the question onthe post.

Before I became a writer, all I thought then I saw his "reviews" is that "man, he must be very bored". After I became a writer myself, however, I started to hate on guys like him who just starts crapping on others' hard work without giving a proper criticism.
Well, yeah. People like that exist. If you're trying to create something, 'reviews' along those lines dismissing your work will always pop up. We don't need to go into or guess why, but they're there. And they'll always be there.

I get the point you're making about how it's anger-inducing seeing people be so dismissive and how it can seriously cut down new writers or creators. But the fact is that if you aren't willing to continue creating the thing that only you can see when others try to snuff out your vision and blind you with their words, you probably shouldn't do it. Or at least, you shouldn't reveal your effort to the public until it's complete. Though that comes with its own host of issues.

This is especially true for self-insert stories, whether that self-insert is intentional or not. That character is 'you'. And the story is 'yours'. While that's true in an abstract sense for all stories, it's concrete for a self-insert story. And because of that, it's even more important to remember that the ultimate decision maker at the end of the day regarding the story is you.

Going back to your initial post though, no sort of story is 'wrong'. If it's a story you want to tell, and if it's a story you've told, it exists. And the mere act of existing isn't wrong, no matter how many people these days might argue otherwise. And inserting yourself into your stories, whether in part, implicitly, or explicitly (in every sense of the word) isn't a bad thing. In fact, if you do it sincerely and with enough passion, you'll likely find people who respect or even enjoy your work.

Though, you have to keep in mind who you're writing for. If you're writing for a certain type of reader, then you have to mentally remember that they have the final say on what is good or bad. Going stubbornly ahead without remembering that will only lead to disappointment all around.

As to the "same crappy review of "OP MC getting a harem, blah blah blah"... Just remember that for every extremely dismissive and hateful comment, there's at least one on the opposite extreme. There are a few people who hate OP MCs and harems with enough vitriol and energy that they could fuel the entire world ten times over for years if we could harvest that. Nothing you say to them will make a difference since they've already created a mental shortcircuit whenever those keywords come up.

Think of them kind of like self-programmed bots with an 'if these tropes, then flame and hate' loop.

On the other hand, there are also people who go 'if these tropes, the five star and like'.

People are people. At the end of the day, what matters is whether you're willing to tell the story you want to tell, in the way you want it told, to the people you want to tell it to. If not, then just stop. People might judge you, but at the end of it all, you're going to be the harshest judge anyway, so who cares what others think?

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Just scrolled at top speed down to type instead of reading, but the worst MC that I dislike is actually the wimpy type (like idiot Subaru at the first few moment or greedy Grid at his first). Hell, I dislike it because of how much the character hits way too close to home for me, knowing that I would react same as them in situations and the only difference is that they have deus ex machina while I just flop onto the ground.

While I do dislike Gary Stu (yes I count Jotaro Kujo) who are over the top and hammy, I hate pathetic characters even more even if it is just a phase that I have to go through.

Up next on hated MCs are "lazy but overpowered", you can give them sob backstories, JP style slice of life or any other random BS, to me the theme is a giant slap to the face. Because laziness is not rewarded in life, to hell, hardwork sometimes isn't rewarding. So why would anyone make a lazy MC who is not suffering for his hubris is questionable.

To be honest, to self insert is not wrong, to self insert until the point of the entire world exist for you is. RL doesn't revolve around you and while it is unfair for the author and some readers not being able to get that kind of high, it is more important to try and make a reasonable story.
 
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