Would Historical Fiction be considered Historical Fanfic?

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Ah here come the fireworks. All novels are fanfiction since they are based off other novels before them. Did you invent the written word? No, but I did, so only my novels aren't fanfic. :blobsip:
 
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Paul_Tromba said:
By this definition, Bernard Cromwell's Winter King series, a well known historical fiction series, is fanfiction due to being based off of Arthurian Legend, an already fictional medium.
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No it isn't, because a point of why fanfiction is fanfiction is in the amateurish nature of the body of work. Bernard Cornwell isn't just a fan of it he's a writer and studier of legends and writing itself, not to mention Arthurian legends are from before copyright was established. The necessity to water down the term fanfiction to mean derived work is a bad thing because you get to a point where it looks like everyone steals from each other instead of understanding everyone takes inspiration and directly takes other stories, events, anecdotes and characters to interweave them into their own works transforming the entirety of what inspired them into their own vision. Fanfiction came about because copyright exists now so you can't just take other people's ideas as easily without being forced to rework them, but because some people are truly unoriginal and lack the finesse for it and still write, we have fanfiction. And some people treat fanfiction like a true craft, while others treat it as a form of training wheels.
 
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Envylope said:
Mans just assuming everyone cares about what RR does when we are on SH. Does it count as trauma dumping to bring RR up in every thread? :blob_teehee:
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What's the name of the mental health condition caused by the stressful event?

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Just like you justify killing someone by saying the other person did it.
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Yes, that's the frame of mind the certain site operates from.
 
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The first person to write derivative fiction was probably the third or fourth person to tell a story in a small hunter gatherer tribe using primitive grunts. Everyone after Ogg is just a fanfic writer. That said, we have created different strata of fanfiction based on how well you can hide your inspirations. If they are so obscure or esoteric that no one can call you on it, we call that groundbreaking and original.
 
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Mystic_Grasshopper said:
No it isn't, because a point of why fanfiction is fanfiction is in the amateurish nature of the body of work. Bernard Cornwell isn't just a fan of it he's a writer and studier of legends and writing itself, not to mention Arthurian legends are from before copyright was established. The necessity to water down the term fanfiction to mean derived work is a bad thing because you get to a point where it looks like everyone steals from each other instead of understanding everyone takes inspiration and directly takes other stories, events, anecdotes and characters to interweave them into their own works transforming the entirety of what inspired them into their own vision. Fanfiction came about because copyright exists now so you can't just take other people's ideas as easily without being forced to rework them, but because some people are truly unoriginal and lack the finesse for it and still write, we have fanfiction. And some people treat fanfiction like a true craft, while others treat it as a form of training wheels.
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Ah, I see. So fanfiction only applies to works post copyright laws. That makes more sense and can agree to that. That said, while I do agree that most fanfiction are amateurish, I do not believe that can be considered part of the definition of fanfiction. If it were to be, we may have to consider webnovels as a whole to fall under the blanket of amateurish as the two seem to have very similar ratios of quality.
 
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beast_regards said:
I agreed on not monetizing fanfics, when they are going to stop selling someone's else work on Amazon?
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I only care about SH since I like this site. I don't care what "they" do, so you can go and ask "them" yourself. Make a new account and ask the question.
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Ah, I see. So fanfiction only applies to works post copyright laws. That makes more sense and can agree to that. That said, while I do agree that most fanfiction are amateurish, I do not believe that can be considered part of the definition of fanfiction. If it were to be, we may have to consider webnovels as a whole to fall under the blanket of amateurish as the two seem to have very similar ratios of quality.
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Bruh.
 
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The meaning of a word in its use in language. What is fanfiction? A derivative, a dialogue of a fan with the whatever media that exists to scratch an itch that the fan has.

If it does the thing it wanted to scratch an itch from, then it is a fanfiction. But, the meaning of that itch loses itself over time, due to language evolution. Once the historical fanfiction, now it's a legend. Once it's a legend, now it's a myth.

Therefore, a fanfiction based on history is a fanfiction when it adheres to the context of the itch. Once it loses that intent, it loses the fanfiction status and becomes something else.
 
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I would call it adaptation.

Because, if you are actually brought the rights to the intellectual property in question, your work stops being fan-fiction and starts being adaptation.

Case and point: Amazon's Rings of Power

Considering no one owns the copyright on the historical events, I would call it adaptation!

100% valid historical adaptation:
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Paul_Tromba said:
Ah, I see. So fanfiction only applies to works post copyright laws. That makes more sense and can agree to that. That said, while I do agree that most fanfiction are amateurish, I do not believe that can be considered part of the definition of fanfiction. If it were to be, we may have to consider webnovels as a whole to fall under the blanket of amateurish as the two seem to have very similar ratios of quality.
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I'm tweaking out. I don't care for the semantics of it. I'm just saying it's not fanfiction because it's not fanfiction, as the rules for all language and communication are inevitably revealed arbitrary you can do whatever the fuck you want. But me personally? I'm going to go by the way it's supposed to be used for works which do not construct themselves solely on the ip of the writer themselves, and that do so in a poor manner that is both unauthorized and unrecognized by the author. If there are exceptions in quality to a fanfiction, they are merely good or well written fanfiction, it doesn't remove the other aspects it's considered a defining feature. Webnovels being amateurish is comparing apples to oranges, a webnovel based on a self-made ip will never be a fanfiction, it can be insulted to being of low or equal quality to one but will never be.

My only real complaint with this is that it's not a fun discussion it's just aggravating, imagine someone says that a story is dogshit, and people start assigning stories which have x and y in them as being dogshit. Indulging this thinking the way you have is calling something with w and z dogshit by association of having letters in the alphabet.

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Fan fiction - Wikipedia

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Definition of FAN FICTION

stories involving popular fictional characters that are written by fans and often posted on the Internet —called also fanfic… See the full definition
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