Why so wishy washy with JP banishment?

[NotaNuffian]

I get that exile is always equivalent to death because foreign grounds etc, but I am shaking my head with the whole "oh, let's throw MC out of our party/ kingdom even though they have been a great source of accomplishment that had carried us till now."

Mind you, I am not iffy on throwing out MC, I am iffy of them not even fully commiting to the bit and straight up ice MC.

I give thumbs up to Hiyama for his effort even though he failed to kill Hajime.

So if a highschooler can think of murder, why can't rulers and sellswords?

Maybe because the whole book genre will turn into revenge porn?

 

[PancakesWitch]

what

 

[melchi]

I think in JP the culture is a bit different. Like there is this whole honor and age hierarchy. So, retaliating against abuse might seem okay here but in JP there are other layers to it. If the MC is a junior to the people that threw him out then they don't really need to ice them. Because if he retaliates then they can say that he's the bad guy for not respecting his elders.

 

[NotaNuffian]

what

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Above link is example.

So the standard procedure is as such:
1. MC is capable but quiet
2. Is in a party/ organisation/ kingdom which flourished under MC help.
3. Blind and stupid folks believe that MC is no longer necessary.

And this is the part where I got a bit frustrated. The folks decide to remove MC from the now prosperous party/ land and even as to antagonize MC by ridiculing him etc. At this point it is just slamming doors and burning bridges, why not go all the way instead and straight up murder MC so as to cut all loose ends?

Ps. If you want to kick/ retrench someone, make sure to do it softly but firmly, even if the other guy goes out kicking and screaming.

I think in JP the culture is a bit different. Like there is this whole honor and age hierarchy. So, retaliating against abuse might seem okay here but in JP there are other layers to it. If the MC is a junior to the people that threw him out then they don't really need to ice them. Because if he retaliates then they can say that he's the bad guy for not respecting his elders.

Oh ya, societal death.

Yeah, senior abusing their junior is real. ?

 

[matnun]

This is like the "Genius in the past but now Talentless" MC in Chinese novels. It's a pretty cheap, overused way of adding tension in the beginning. I think that happens in JP LN because in Japan if your superior does something bad or whatever, you can't do much, so they fantasize about being able to take their superiors accountable, but because that's not a thing in the West it can be a bit... underwhelming.

 

[John_Owl]

I get that exile is always equivalent to death because foreign grounds etc, but I am shaking my head with the whole "oh, let's throw MC out of our party/ kingdom even though they have been a great source of accomplishment that had carried us till now."

Mind you, I am not iffy on throwing out MC, I am iffy of them not even fully commiting to the bit and straight up ice MC.

I give thumbs up to Hiyama for his effort even though he failed to kill Hajime.

So if a highschooler can think of murder, why can't rulers and sellswords?

Maybe because the whole book genre will turn into revenge porn?

plot armor. If I kill the MC, there's no story. If I banish them, then the story can happen. and yeah, Arifureta was nice in that change - the MC was a victim of a fail murder attempt. That said, if EVERY story did that, then we'd be having the conversation right now of "Why do ALL antagonists inherently suck at killing the MC?"

The issue is that someone comes up with some new initiating conflict, and suddenly everyone else mimics it, often becoming FAR more popular with it. but that's how shared creativity works, unfortunately.

 

[BigBadBoi]

Pretty much every "banishment" genre where they decide to old yeller the MC it slowly turns into revenge porn. You're only seen the tip of the iceberg of isekai slop while I'm deeper in that shit than the mariana trench.

 

[gaylolis]

what if it's actually the mc expelling everyone else but himself.

 

[NotaNuffian]

plot armor. If I kill the MC, there's no story. If I banish them, then the story can happen. and yeah, Arifureta was nice in that change - the MC was a victim of a fail murder attempt. That said, if EVERY story did that, then we'd be having the conversation right now of "Why do ALL antagonists inherently suck at killing the MC?"

The issue is that someone comes up with some new initiating conflict, and suddenly everyone else mimics it, often becoming FAR more popular with it. but that's how shared creativity works, unfortunately.

Yeah.

I recall a lot of JP revenge porn starting with MC getting murdered etc etc. Then comes the gold finger and etc etc revenge porn begins.

Banishment is just murder lite, but adding back in the negativity by having folks yapping at MC as they kick him out sounds ridicuolous dumb. Yes there are dumb people, but sometimes they are just dumb beyond belief.

Pretty much every "banishment" genre where they decide to old yeller the MC it slowly turns into revenge porn. You're only seen the tip of the iceberg of isekai slop while I'm deeper in that shit than the mariana trench.

Yeah, I recall the times when "karma" is hilarious, the old party quickly falls into ruin, refuse to believe MC is their pillar and then etc etc while MC gets harems left and right.

what if it's actually the mc expelling everyone else but himself.

 

[John_Owl]

Yeah.

I recall a lot of JP revenge porn starting with MC getting murdered etc etc. Then comes the gold finger and etc etc revenge porn begins.

Banishment is just murder lite, but adding back in the negativity by having folks yapping at MC as they kick him out sounds ridicuolous dumb. Yes there are dumb people, but sometimes they are just dumb beyond belief.

yup, I'd be more than happy to have the banisher just be like "You're out. Go." Instead of a three hour monologue about how they were born in a poor family, watched their mom suffer as a single mother working 5 jobs while battling an unknown illness and somehow that's all MCs fault. Like, just get to it.

This is something I REALLY try to avoid in mine. I try to avoid monologuing in general, though sometimes it can be useful. But it's VERY overdone.

 

[georgelee5786]

Too popular to put to death, too popular to let stay. The best is a compromise where you forge a charge and banish him and hope he doesnt return

 

[NotaNuffian]

Too popular to put to death, too popular to let stay. The best is a compromise where you forge a charge and banish him and hope he doesnt return

Well,

MC:

Because it is revenge porn, just that now it is "karmic" instead of MC going stabby mcstabface.

yup, I'd be more than happy to have the banisher just be like "You're out. Go." Instead of a three hour monologue about how they were born in a poor family, watched their mom suffer as a single mother working 5 jobs while battling an unknown illness and somehow that's all MCs fault. Like, just get to it.

This is something I REALLY try to avoid in mine. I try to avoid monologuing in general, though sometimes it can be useful. But it's VERY overdone.

I get that hatred is a good reason why the dude wants to kick MC out, but there is bad and then there is stupid bad.

Banishment shall always be stupid bad if there is no follow up act of sending goons to kill MC immediately.

 

[Corty]

Never let your enemies leave. That's why if my villains meet the MC, if they don't win over them, they are toast. That's why I don't pit them against each other until it is time; the same mentality is true for the villain.

tl;dr

It is a writer's problem. They are pussies.

 

[Bobple]

Funny enough had a whole long talk about the exile trope with a friend just the other day, funny seeing a part of it mentioned so soon.

Anyway, outside of the stories that do try to leave the mc somewhere to die, or try to kill them. There could be reasons, the simple reason which applies to a few stories is that they don't mean any malice (These are the your literally too weak in certain areas stories).

But, obviously that is not what we are talking about.

The scenario current presented is the I fucking hate this bastard. Why? Are they too popular with desired sex? Is there face a little too handsome? Too good at making potions? Too good at making soup? Did they say no too sex one too many times?

Whatever it is, when the stories is set up where the those who are doing the exiling hate the mc so much that it does get ridiculous they don't try the stabby stab stab option. Reasons why they might not to kill include the character being popular with other groups or the rest of the party (The classic the party leader exiles the person and says it is a group decision scenario, the classic favourite scenario) besides how annoying this one tends to be due to the solution being talking to anyone. If there is too many complication to kill the person, then yeah, too hard, sitting on the couch watching tv is easier than killing a man.

I do think the hostile exile ones do for the most part involve some form of "Accident" killing attempt. Whether that is them leaving somewhere with a injury etc. Sometimes it makes sense in story as a way to disguise the killing, other times... dude just stab the fucker, they are on the ground dying, don't just walk away, they are about to blessed by the divine macguffin.

Blah blah sometime story tones are a thing as well.

I could write more, but as sitting on couch is easier than killing, eating dinner is more appealing than writing atm.

 

[corruption]

If they kill the MC without justification, they will be considered evil and hunted
Sometimes they do try to kill the MC, but MC survives to seek revenge.
Sometimes the MC's ability is overlooked and not noticed for different reasons. These include boosting the party without being obvious about it, drawing agro, or enchanting the gear and maintaining the enchantments.
Maybe the MC has a known powerful skill, but there is a problem that makes it considered unreliable
Maybe the other guy in the party is using mind control on the female party members to kick the MC out and recruit another woman
There are more reasons.

 

[beast_regards]

Before or after he legally purchased slave cat-girl of questionable age?

 

[NotaNuffian]

Before or after he legally purchased slave cat-girl of questionable age?

Definitely before. Because if they had known that MC would purchase slave cat-girl of questionable age, they would probably kick MC in his bollocks until the wet squelches are audible during the banishment.

 

[beast_regards]

Definitely before. Because if they had known that MC would purchase slave cat-girl of questionable age, they would probably kick MC in his bollocks until the wet squelches are audible during the banishment.

Why?

The cat-girls of questionable age seem to be a common article on the JP fantasy market.

Only that one guy went with the racoon, but that's only because she was cheapest. What a cheapskate

 

[corruption]

Before or after he legally purchased slave cat-girl of questionable age?

Before.
If he got the catgirl before being kicked out, they would have taken the catgirl and used her infront of him, making her claim they were better than the MC.
. . . . I like Hentai, ok?!?!

 

[beast_regards]

Before.
If he got the catgirl before being kicked out, they would have taken the catgirl and used her infront of him, making her claim they were better than the MC.
. . . . I like Hentai, ok?!?!

You know what is said, NTR is a trash fetish. :P