Why does modern military firepower not work against monsters and other BS reasonings.

[Zagaroth]

While this specific scenario was not the point, I did build an answer into my setting.

Yes, strong monsters do have more resistant bodies because of spiritual/magical power. But:

A) This scales; low power monsters can still be taken out by standard pistols, and stronger monsters can be taken out by stronger weapons. You don't need mystic weapons, you just need to more and bigger ones. However, eventually you reach the point where something like a dragon is barely bruised by heavy artillery.

B) Humans can get stronger too. Pit yourself against monsters, and you will get stronger. Your spirit is effectively exercised by contesting against the spiritual power of others. Your spiritual power/pressure can counter the spiritual power of a monster. A human who can use a sword against a demon lord can also use a gun against a demon lord.

C) You can enchant a gun as easily as you can enchant a bow or a sword. This can amplify the gun's damage and/or ignore a certain amount of the monster's resilience. These are usually equivalent, but the amplify damage effect would also amplify damage against normal physical objects/vehicles, while penetrating resistance only affects things with supernatural resistance.

So yeah, 'mook' humans are going to have trouble using small caliber weapons against powerful supernatural creatures, but you can scale up.

Also, heroic-powered humans can pretty much wade through mook tier monsters.

 

[NotaNuffian]

While this specific scenario was not the point, I did build an answer into my setting.

Yes, strong monsters do have more resistant bodies because of spiritual/magical power. But:

A) This scales; low power monsters can still be taken out by standard pistols, and stronger monsters can be taken out by stronger weapons. You don't need mystic weapons, you just need to more and bigger ones. However, eventually you reach the point where something like a dragon is barely bruised by heavy artillery.

B) Humans can get stronger too. Pit yourself against monsters, and you will get stronger. Your spirit is effectively exercised by contesting against the spiritual power of others. Your spiritual power/pressure can counter the spiritual power of a monster. A human who can use a sword against a demon lord can also use a gun against a demon lord.

C) You can enchant a gun as easily as you can enchant a bow or a sword. This can amplify the gun's damage and/or ignore a certain amount of the monster's resilience. These are usually equivalent, but the amplify damage effect would also amplify damage against normal physical objects/vehicles, while penetrating resistance only affects things with supernatural resistance.

So yeah, 'mook' humans are going to have trouble using small caliber weapons against powerful supernatural creatures, but you can scale up.

Also, heroic-powered humans can pretty much wade through mook tier monsters.

Yeah I'm doing that too.

I'm also ensuring eyes, throat and groin etc still a weakspot and the power of gangbang do compels when up against similar levels.

It is just that I am eternally annoyed by how some works just say stuff like "because mana on monster, hence only mana monster murderer can work".

Like, we have nukes and can't kill goblins, are you serious?!?!

 

[SunNation_Alt]

It's called hollywood magic

 

[JayMark]

Like, we have nukes and can't kill goblins, are you serious?!?!

Radiation makes goblins stronger and they breed more. Do you have any idea how fast goblins breed. Those things never stop [redacted].
This is how our modern worlds keep becoming fantasy ones.

 

[BearlyAlive]

What about the reason of gravity being different to earth? Guns not shooting because the force behind then not being enough to propel bullets sounds legit. And is underused af.

Old stuff would work because the increase would be almost proportional to the power used, i.e. using bows and catapults just work guns and cannons don't do enough boom for the whoosh needed.

 

[NotaNuffian]

What about the reason of gravity being different to earth? Guns not shooting because the force behind then not being enough to propel bullets sounds legit. And is underused af.

Old stuff would work because the increase would be almost proportional to the power used, i.e. using bows and catapults just work guns and cannons don't do enough boom for the whoosh needed.

Well, which part of gravity then?

Because when you mention the fundamental force like that, my first instinct is "shouldn't the humans be able to feel it firsthand before going American?"

Or is it that the air density is slightly fudged like the dune shield and there is a speed limit high enough that humans alone can't reach and therefore did not notice but so low that not even a flintlock pistol can be used?

 

[Arkus86]

What about the reason of gravity being different to earth? Guns not shooting because the force behind then not being enough to propel bullets sounds legit. And is underused af.

Old stuff would work because the increase would be almost proportional to the power used, i.e. using bows and catapults just work guns and cannons don't do enough boom for the whoosh needed.

Gravity has fuckall effect on the damage of guns, unless we are talking gravity of the magnitude that would make continued survival impractical anyway.
Gunpowder sudenly getting weaker only makes sense if you handwave away chemistry, and by that point you have to rethink the physics of everything.

The only explanation that makes sense is as above, magic etc. making monsters stronger and more resistand, but not automatically immune to all conventional weapons.

 

[Alfir]

It is a bit random, but does Gantz qualify for this criticism?

 

[NotaNuffian]

It is a bit random, but does Gantz qualify for this criticism?

I forgot what Gantz is.

Except the skintight.

 

[A_the_king_of_all]

Simply because it won't even a threat at that point as humanity is truly horrifying

 

[CheekiBreeki]

Idk man. The military is only ineffective against monsters and other bs reasonings if they were somehow decimated completely along with most of the world's population within a week or so. For example, during a deadly worldwide zombie apocalypse like Left 4 Dead or World War Z

Otherwise they will adapt and begin to research the same bs reasoning the monsters use, like magic, then weaponize it. That's what humanity is extremely good at.

 

[NotaNuffian]

Idk man. The military is only ineffective against monsters and other bs reasonings if they were somehow decimated completely along with most of the world's population within a week or so. For example, during a deadly worldwide zombie apocalypse like Left 4 Dead or World War Z

Otherwise they will adapt and begin to research the same bs reasoning the monsters use, like magic, then weaponize it. That's what humanity is extremely good at.

Counterargument would be World War Z's higher ups.

Also, smart monsters/ leaders behind dungeon break?

 

[JayMark]

Gravity has fuckall effect on the damage of guns, unless we are talking gravity of the magnitude that would make continued survival impractical anyway.
Gunpowder sudenly getting weaker only makes sense if you handwave away chemistry, and by that point you have to rethink the physics of everything.

The only explanation that makes sense is as above, magic etc. making monsters stronger and more resistand, but not automatically immune to all conventional weapons.

kinetic shielding.

Or you can turn the entire military into star wars clone troopers so they can't hit anything.

 

[LeilaniOtter]

Military might has never vanquished the enemies of Earth.

Rather, the villains of the world destroy themselves, because every single villain who has ever lived has done the same exact thing.
They either create a group of people around them with nothing to lose and therefore will be swayed to take over, or loyal monsters and yes-men, who have nothing to keep them in check, and will tear the villain apart the instant they show weakness.

This is textbook history. This is what always happens. ?

 

[Pixytokisaki14]

It's stupid really, you're telling me a shaped charge warhead, that propells a molten copper jet at hypersonic speeds cant penetrate a damn orgre but a big af fireball can? Make it make sense.

It gets even dumber once you know the forces behind and the material science used in each bullet, shell, or missile that comes out of the barrel/rack.

Again, you're telling me a depleted uranium dart going at mach 5 cant penetrate a dragon, but a regular ass steel arrow with the power of frienship can?

Make. It. Make. Sense.

Simply because it won't even a threat at that point as humanity is truly horrifying

Thats the thing, what makes humanity terrifying is the atrocities we commit with each other and the machines and weapons we make to kill one another. I think i read it in a comment section but it summed it up best

"Present day Earth is a place where technology is magic all on its own"

 

[ACertainPassingUser]

Modern military firepowers isn't entertaining to the audience of Fantasy-magic stories genre.

 

[Daitengu]

Depends on the monster.

Like a 9mm bullet doesn't stop a vampire, but a 12 gauge blowing it's head off? Sure, that works. Unless you're Alucard from Hellsing and can tank an SR71 crash, cause he's got souls to sack and a literal god curse.

So what it comes down to is power creep and counters. The reasons firearms suck in fantasy is the same reason archery sucks as well. the to-hit and AC hard nerf ranged weapons in general.

Ya got people who can slice spells and arrows, with swords that can cut mountains and slay gods. Even Jedi and Sith can just make ranged options kinda worthless without overwhelming amounts of projectiles.

Firearms are just kinda crap at those levels.

 

[expentio]

My greatest issue with Solo Leveling and similar. Just to think that goblins or those ants don't die when a cruise missile drops right on their head. Why was it not possible to completely flatten the surface of this island before trying to take them in a fight? Am I seriously supposed to believe that even the smallest mob is immune to environmental damage? So when the protagonist throws them through a building and kicks them through three mountains, that wouldn't do any damage either, right? Because suddenly the laws of physics don't exist anymore. There could probably fall a meteor, if it isn't system-approved, it won't do damage. This mere idea that powers that have a clear impact don't do anything because of stats is weird. Seriously, it's one thing if magic grants an advantage, but it doesn't make sense if it simply allows them to ignore reality and physics.

 

[Deleted member 206441]

I can't think of a reason why modern weapons would be ineffective against monsters... so I just make magic more... efficient... and monsters more deadly...

Like Banshee can shrug off a Beretta's 9mm, coz it's a ghost adjacent, but a conventional flame thrower would hurt it. Bur Killing it... difficult.

But "Magic" fire or a "holy" energy bolt, would work better.

Generally, I don't make modern weapons obsolete.

Good old ear plugs will still prevent hearing a banshees scream that instantly kills people.

 

[Axiweave]

Easy. BS stands for bad shots. Bad shots can’t kill monsters.