A handful of copies survive the passage of years. The majority doesn't, for a good reason.
Here we go again. We are talking about permanence here. Yes, majority doesn't survive the years because pretty much most people don't care about about that, but those few that survived show the durability of physical media.
This is your logic. Most stone castles doesn't survive therefore stone is very fragile.
Like, I don't know why keep what we are arguing about.
That's a false claim. You can't back up physical media with DRM, the console simply doesn't run the copy.
As I said, the DRM doesn't make it easy but it is possible. Again, we are talking permanence and not ease. Sure you can't use your copies with your console but you have copies, and that is the point. While it might need some thinkering to use your copies, the importance here is that they aren't lost. We are talking of permanence of the data, not whether you can easily use the said data or not.
I mean, think of those game cartridges like with Atari, NES or Gameboy. They surely are more difficult to thinker with than your typical CD because they require more specialized equipment. But look now, those games are available now because of effort of those great people
It was easier back in the day, but companies improved their DRM on consoles a lot. It's why the pirate market of modern console games is almost dead.
And exactly because you can't make copies easily, that you have an issue of it being a million times easier to lose your media.
And here we go again. You are talking about ease and not actual permanence. Why do you keep doing this.
And correlation doesn't imply causation. DRM has been there for like a long, long time. And it is not only consoles that does this. Music Players and e-book readers for example did this long ago. Heck, OS like Windows do it to keep you from installing pirated software. What DRM does is not to make it impossible but hard. Most of the time though, the DRM effects the honest costumers the most (like having a hard time creating back-ups) while those scummy people would just circumvent it.
Unless your computer went kaput in the same day Google went bankrupt, you lose nothing relevant.
FTFY.
That's a false argument.
False argument HUH? When you are the one who keep doing it over and over and over.
Your argument is like this. You take one book put it in the washing machine. You take a different book and put it on the shelf. You conclude that book 1 last only a few minutes and book 2 could last forever, therefore book 2 is better in terms of permanence.
I'm telling you that (hypothetical example here, don't get caught up on the details (as in, I don't know a thing about roses, so I may be spouting BS in this one)) the majority of roses are red. And you are telling me that roses are equally spread among all colors when evidence clearly shows that the vast majority is red.
You are spouting bullshit.
The argument was the permanence of physical and digital. You arguing claim that physical doesn't last that long while digital last forever. I OTOH claim that the two have inherent vulnerabilities that makes them not inherently better than the other in terms of permanence.
I'm not saying that White Roses don't exist. I'm telling you that anyone that isn't blind is able to tell you that most Roses are red. And yet you keep saying all roses are equally spread in number.
And you are stretching the analogy here. My roses example is just to present a simplified easy to understand example of my argument. That is, I am simply presenting counterexamples. Stretching the analogy like that breaks the analogy.
When you claim that physical doesn't last and digtal last forever, I presented you counter examples. Physical media last long if given proper care and precaution and digital data is pretty much volatile without proper care and precaution.
This in not difficult to understand isn't it?
If it was possible it would be great~
It is possible. Kinda more involved and difficult, but possible. You are saying as if it can't be done.
1) I'm not careless, I'm saying accidents happen. And accidents have a much bigger chance of harming physical data, making it last much less in the long run.
Like, geez, back when I actively played my playstation my game cds fell on the ground like... Twice per year or something? That's not being careless, things just slip from time to time... Yet you just need a bit of bad luck when it falls and you get a scratch that makes your game unplayable.
How is that not being careless? You can call it bad luck if you maybe get seizures while handling the disk.
And accidents happen with digital too that results to them being lost . . . like what happens a lot of time.
You are saying as if accidents only happen with physical media and digital is accident free.
2) I dunno why you have this crazy notion that you can buy a PS3 game, burn a copy of it in a new CD and then play it, but you can't. Only the original copy will work.
You can but it is more involved. If you just can't do the hard work (because they are actually really involved, nerdy things), then just buy two disk or more, this is what actually people who knows their stuff do. Having multiple copies is the best way to mitigate problems. Though, as you can probably seem, it is kinda expensive. You can chuck that as one problem with physical, they aren't easy to work with.
And that's the whole issue with physical media, you can't copy it and it is more prone to accidents, making it last much less time than Digital Media, which lasts basically forever unless you lose your computer in the same day google goes bankrupt.
You can copy them, and digital is just as prone. Physical media have lasted decades while lots of digital data is lost everyday.
Again, you claim that digital last forever (while simultaneously provide example of how they could be lost). I think you might just have this belief that because Google is too big to fail. That Google would last forever. I get your trust and Google is a good company but that is just . . . no. Companies, especially internet based ones, have crumbled before. And you don't even need Google to go bankrupt. A cyber attack, mother nature, or just plain Goggle not wanting to keep your data anymore.
I mean, how long do you really have your digital data? Why do you have such conviction that they would last forever?
Really, your point only boils down to: digital media is great for me because they are easier to take care of than physical media. You give your digital data into the care of other people but you can't put that much effort in preserving your physical media.
That is fine, but that has little to do with actual durability and permanence of your games/data you get from either media. They both could last very long (especially with proper care and precaution) or disappear in a blink of an eye. In terms of permanence, or more properly archival quality, both are quite good (Though, yes, games you get digitally is more easy to back-up copies of, but you can do the same with physical just more involved. Heck, you can actually just turn the data in the physical media to digital. That is what exactly happens with these game ROMs.) There is really no remarkable advantage of one over the other when you talk about making things lasts. They are both good, just pick what you prefer or which is more convenient for you.
