What's up with Webnovel site?

RepresentingAnti-Representings

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I don't understand why and how most of the books on the Power Ranking and Popular Ranking are there.

No offense to the translators, authors and fans. But there is no way, out of hundredths or thousands of books, THOSE are the ones getting all the visibility and people's support. Makes no sense.

The stories I'm talking about are either migraine inducing translations, horrible written, stories that seem generated by an old version of ChatGPT with how little sense they make, the epitome of cliches or a combination of all four.

Again, I don't want to offend anyone. Just trying to find sense in this.

Take what I say with a big grain of salt. It's just from a couple of days of observation on the site.
I'm not saying there isn't good stuff in those weekly rankings. Just that it surprises me some of the stories that get there.
 
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Contracts. WN will push and advertise contracted books that bring in money. I don't know how much their numbers are being fudged, but I rarely trust WN ratings, lists, etc, after hearing and reading about the manipulation going on with those numbers.

Anyway, this is just my understanding, so take it with a grain of salt.
 

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Well no offense but if you don't like those novels, you can just not read rather than getting bothered by it. And no someone saying those are fake readers are just bs, i know authors from the top rankings and they earn too much for fake readers, ain't no way webnovel are giving them money on their own. So in a way people read those novels and pay for it, we shouldn't mind something just because its not same as our taste. Again no offense, i just explained it.
 

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Webnovel manipulates a ton of stuff to push their contracted stories.

Most people who are particularly good at writing know better than to sign a contract with Webnovel. I consider myself fairly mid and I wouldn’t unless the money was very impressive and I had a lawyer look at it.

Most people do not in fact have a sophisticated literary palate.

The readers are real but unsophisticated, and being funneled towards stories that appeal to a lot of people assuming they don’t have high standards. Yes, as terrifying as it may be, the ones that hit the top are the good ones.

Well. The good ones by whatever metric Webnovel uses. Maybe they are the minimum viable product that has not already been picked up by x% of readers and thus has the highest projected profit margin if someone buys all the chapters etc. Which also assumes that they meet whatever quality threshold is necessary for Webnovel to think they will actually get purchased.

They do in fact enjoy (or at least pay for) these stories, for reasons which baffle and scare me, but if they didn’t actually pull readers then no business as soulless as webnovel would pay a dime for them. Doesn’t matter if they pay well or not, they wouldn’t buy someone’s copy-pasted isekai with a system for more than they expected to make back on it.

These are the dime novels of our day, paid by the word and built to be consumed and forgotten about. Some of them, I’m sure, are actually well written. Most aren’t.
 
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So it's like RR manipulating a ton of stuff to push their paying people.
It's like SH manipulating a ton of stuff to push @Envylope to the top each time.
 

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Every time someone criticizes WN a person with less than 5 messages will pop up and say they know top authors personally, and how everything bad about WN isn't true. Funny how that works.
Right, you are. :blob_cookie:
I don't understand why and how most of the books on the Power Ranking and Popular Ranking are there.

No offense to the translators, authors and fans. But there is no way, out of hundredths or thousands of books, THOSE are the ones getting all the visibility and people's support. Makes no sense.

The stories I'm talking about are either migraine inducing translations, horrible written, stories that seem generated by an old version of ChatGPT with how little sense they make, the epitome of cliches or a combination of all four.

Again, I don't want to offend anyone. Just trying to find sense in this.

Take what I say with a big grain of salt. It's just from a couple of days of observation on the site.
I'm not saying there isn't good stuff in those weekly rankings. Just that it surprises me some of the stories that get there.
I also might wanna add: Not just that, but I did my own ramble post a while ago, regarding my own experiences as a writer. And I can say that a story that made views and readers in a few days, unlike two others I had, suddenly stopped gaining any views whatsoever from the moment I declined a contract "offer" from Webnovel. A lot of other stuff went down, but the two other stories, that weren't even updated and never gained any real traction to begin with, kept gaining views, while the one that was originally doing well enough to be put on a display for new stories (as I was notified by WN in a message) suddenly gained just enough views to account for the subscriptions it had already gained in the first two days before the first contract proposal arrived. And I say the first - after declining, a new one would pop up. Again and again. So say what you will, I always say I'm paranoid, but there's definitely manipulation involved, but the opposite of what happens to those being put front and center.
I do believe the readers on WN are real, because they do pay for those stories; WN wants to earn money as well, after all, as @Jerynboe has correctly pointed out, but that doesn't mean it's not manipulated beyond recognition and the numbers might partially be fudged as well, to lure new people in. After the last contract I had declined and put into the column that they should fuck off already, I took my story down and after I started taking down chapters and put out and announcement, hundreds of views suddenly plopped up on my story and it didn't stop for a while [Edit to clarify: I meant that it started in the evening, because I wanted to have a few chapters stay, in case someone of the remaining subscribers would want to know it had changed sites, and suddenly, the views climbed by the hundreds in the span of two hours and didn't stop; in the morning, I saw the finished number, but don't remember how much it was]. It was extremely weird and not at all natural behavior.
 
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They do in fact enjoy (or at least pay for) these stories, for reasons which baffle and scare me, but if they didn’t actually pull readers then no business as soulless as webnovel would pay a dime for them. Doesn’t matter if they pay well or not, they wouldn’t buy someone’s copy-pasted isekai with a system for more than they expected to make back on it.
The vast majority of their reader base are not native english speakers who have learned it through various places on the internet. Their comprehension of the language is typicly in the range of a 7-10 year old.
 

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Every time someone criticizes WN a person with less than 5 messages will pop up and say they know top authors personally, and how everything bad about WN isn't true. Funny how that works.
So you're saying there's a Webnovel Slander detecting device out there that goes:

BEEP-! BEEP-! SLANDER DETECTED! Engaging Agent #2449!

Jokes aside though, I've been a long time user of Webnovel, though I only use Fast-passes to read locked chapters, or wait for the aggregator sites to do their stuff when the novel is finally locked behind paywalls. And I can say that a lot of the numbers are real from the engagement alone found in the comment sections.

Yes, the bots are there. Yes, numbers have been manipulated. But not as much as it is thought to be. I think t numbers are artificially raised the moment you sign a contract, but a lot of it does come from the increased visibility too.

The opposite does happen for sure though, as I experienced the same thing as KillingAlice when I wrote on an alt account and refused a contract because I didn't think I'd be consistent enough for it. The numbers just suddenly dropped, but it might be more of a reduced visibility than manipulated numbers.

Just my two cents on the issue.
 
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So you're saying there's a Webnovel Slander detecting device out there that goes:

BEEP-! BEEP-! SLANDER DETECTED! Engaging Agent #2449!

Jokes aside though, I've been a long time user of Webnovel, though I only use Fast-passes to read locked chapters, or wait for the aggregator sites to do their stuff when the novel is finally locked behind paywalls. And I can say that a lot of the numbers are real from the engagement alone found in the comment sections.

Yes, the bots are there. Yes, numbers have been manipulated. But not as much as it is thought to be. I think t numbers are artificially raised the moment you sign a contract, but a lot of it does come from the increased visibility too.

The opposite does happen for sure though, as I experienced the same thing as KillingAlice when I wrote on an alt account and refused a contract because I didn't think I'd be consistent enough for it. The numbers just suddenly dropped, but it might be more of a reduced visibility than manipulated numbers.

Just my two cents on the issue.
I won't play dumb and pretend like I dind't imply anything. I did. At the same time it was an observation based on my own experience, in other words I can be wrong.

As for numbers being manipulated, I just think they tweaked the system in a way that count more views than on other sites. An example of what I mean. On SH or RR it counts as view only if you stay on the page for 30 seconds, on WN it is 1-5 seconds. Technically it's not manipulation, they simply tweaked the system a certain way, and they have full right to do so. The manipulation comes after you understand everyone else count views after a user stayed on page for 30 seconds. Do you get what I mean?

P.S. This is just an illustration, and I don't think it works exactly like that. I do, however, think something similar happens.
 

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I won't play dumb and pretend like I dind't imply anything. I did. At the same time it was an observation based on my own experience, in other words I can be wrong.
Mine too was based on experience, and can be wrong. A little of my bias too was probably because I started reading webnovels with Webnovel years ago, before I branched to ranobes, then other aggregator sites, then SH and RR.

One thing that drastically reduced my affection was when I encountered a novel that got paywalled at 4 chapters, like what the heck? I had always thought there had been a minimum requirement on the number of chapters before you could lock them.

Also noticed some authors who posted empty chapters, or chapters with repeated sentences to meet a quota, or the MGS(Minimum-Guarantee-System) which I'm still not completely sure of how it works, and then make the chapter title DO NOT UNLOCK THIS CHAPTER.
As for numbers being manipulated, I just think they tweaked the system in a way that count more views than on other sites. An example of what I mean. On SH or RR it counts as view only if you stay on the page for 30 seconds, on WN it is 1-5 seconds. Technically it's not manipulation, they simply tweaked the system a certain way, and they have full right to do so. The manipulation comes after you understand everyone else count views after a user stayed on page for 30 seconds. Do you get what I mean?

P.S. This is just an illustration, and I don't think it works exactly like that. I do, however, think something similar happens.
Surprisingly how I thought it to be too. At a point in time I even thought it might be from just the mere click on a chapter.


Somewhat unrelated, but while Webnovel is unquestionably the home place of slop-fiction and self-insert wish-fullfillment fantasy, I believe a lot of gems are buried by authors who give in to the readers' desires out of fear of losing them. But of course, anomalies like Shadow Slave exist because they're different, and are faithful to their original intent.
 

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Contracts. WN will push and advertise contracted books that bring in money. I don't know how much their numbers are being fudged, but I rarely trust WN ratings, lists, etc, after hearing and reading about the manipulation going on with those numbers.

Anyway, this is just my understanding, so take it with a grain of salt.

That's right. They are a business. There's simply no reason for them to push book with no contract.

Regarding stats, you can manipulate views, reviews, or powerstone, or even collections (equivalent to SH readers) with alts or bots, but those things does not matter one bit. Because in the end, no matter how much you artificially pump numbers up, the only thing that matter is how much the book make. Powerstones are useless except for only the top 10 stories to be featured on the front page. Collections are useless too, a book can have thousands of collection but no paid readers.
And also, if anyone get caught botting, other authors and readers can report and mods will ban.

I don't understand why and how most of the books on the Power Ranking and Popular Ranking are there.

No offense to the translators, authors and fans. But there is no way, out of hundredths or thousands of books, THOSE are the ones getting all the visibility and people's support. Makes no sense.

The stories I'm talking about are either migraine inducing translations, horrible written, stories that seem generated by an old version of ChatGPT with how little sense they make, the epitome of cliches or a combination of all four.

Again, I don't want to offend anyone. Just trying to find sense in this.

Sometimes I wonder that myself too, that how the hell stories that read so shit, AI can get so much views and paid readers. Unfortunately, that's the reality.
To me, Webnovel is more of a game. those who know how the game works will have the highest chance of success.

Because there are a few things that can make a book extremely popular:
- A really sexy cover with big booba. Even when your MC is male, use big booba cover. DO IT!
- Harem smut
- Meta tropes: Reincarnated as Extra, Beast taming, Reincarnated as Noble/Aristocrats, SSS systems, smut system...
If a story can have one, two, or god forbid, all of those things, they will get HUGE clicks and follows in the beginning and can easily make money even when writing is shit. And then when the algorithm sees that those stories are doing great, it fill promote them further, creating a snowball effect.

After all, nowadays, when there are literally ten of thousands of books to read, sometimes it doesn't matter how good a book is, but how easy it is to get readers to click on first chapter.

And with all that, you may think: Well, if so, why the hell would anyone write good stories then? Why don't just write the meta shit and get famous and rich easy?

Because a good story WILL matter, but will matter much more in the late game than the first few months.

Following the meta can get you money.

But only good stories can make BIG money.

For example: Shadow Slave makes less than 60$ first month, a little more than 200$ second month, never even receive any early bonus money (MGS). But look at where it's now.

(Yes, I literally just told people the easiest way to success on Webnovel. Use that knowledge however you will).
 

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Every time someone criticizes WN a person with less than 5 messages will pop up and say they know top authors personally, and how everything bad about WN isn't true. Funny how that works.
You've noticed too? Lol, I've seen this on other lesser-known sites as well. A really odd coincidence.
Well no offense but if you don't like those novels, you can just not read rather than getting bothered by it. And no someone saying those are fake readers are just bs, i know authors from the top rankings and they earn too much for fake readers, ain't no way webnovel are giving them money on their own. So in a way people read those novels and pay for it, we shouldn't mind something just because its not same as our taste. Again no offense, i just explained it.
And how much does WN pay you to make an account here just to blatantly lie and shill for them? I'm just asking because I could always use another extra, cheap, and occasionally demeaning source of income as much as the next guy. Put in a good word for me?

I'll shill so hard bro, the shillest shiller won't have shilling-nothing on my way of the shilling!!
It's like SH manipulating a ton of stuff to push @Envylope to the top each time.
Interesting story. Any details or is that it?
 

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Every time someone criticizes WN a person with less than 5 messages will pop up and say they know top authors personally, and how everything bad about WN isn't true. Funny how that works.
Some people think if they commented on said novels and the author answered with a thanks or a like, they are already best buddies.
 
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