What's up with the MC always having some tragic background story? Views on this.

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I actually hate it more when an author tries to shoehorn in a tragic backstory for the villain. Like, I get it, hurt people hurt people, but when it then becomes an excuse and you're supposed to forgive the antagonist or something, it annoys me no end.
I have seen it done well, but there's been a bunch of stories I've read recently where the villain's backstory arc starts up and it's all 'Here we go again...'
 

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I actually hate it more when an author tries to shoehorn in a tragic backstory for the villain. Like, I get it, hurt people hurt people, but when it then becomes an excuse and you're supposed to forgive the antagonist or something, it annoys me no end.
I have seen it done well, but there's been a bunch of stories I've read recently where the villain's backstory arc starts up and it's all 'Here we go again...'
This.
 

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But the short answer is that if the character doesn't have a troubled past, they don't have a reason to leave their comfy life and go on adventures.
This! If the troubled past is cliche, it's likely that the author has not experienced (or experienced but not processed) enough IRL troubles to make a convincing character with a milder, more unique trauma.
 

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It is actually. Are there any MC's who wanted to learn martial arts just bc they want to and isnt an orphan transmigrator/isekaid/regressor/reincarnator?
Yes, mine :blob_joy:
I am talking about fantasy novels, minus slice of life.

Oh... No, he was an orphan. Oh....No he was disabled. Oh... No, he relinquished his loved one. Oh... No, he was poor. Oh... No he was an employee in a black company. Oh... No, he
(something tragic in the back in past)

Why cannot we have an MC without a tragic past?

Is there any way to write a normal MC, which doesn't lose against the cliched usual tragic MC in appeal.?
My mc don't have a tragic past but like someone else said, the tragic part will happen on screen. having this tragic memories make the readers have more attachment toward your mc in some sense. that also why a lot of MC mother are depicted with a lovable appearance and then they die cruely.
 

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I feel like normal MC is very common in webnovels. I've seen so many stories starting with an MC living a boring life, or that he's normal, etc. Many OP MC stories (and this is probably the biggest chunk of webnovels) have a boring, everyday, normal MC start.
But when it comes to western fantasy novels, then yeah, mostly tragic past. It's probably more on webnovels being escapist, so they start with a normal MC getting powers. And for western trad fantasy novels, maybe going off ancient greek hero stories that have tragic backgrounds? Probably would be interesting to have an expert explain this to us.
Anyway, just for webnovels, normal MC is common.
 

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I actually hate it more when an author tries to shoehorn in a tragic backstory for the villain. Like, I get it, hurt people hurt people, but when it then becomes an excuse and you're supposed to forgive the antagonist or something, it annoys me no end.
I have seen it done well, but there's been a bunch of stories I've read recently where the villain's backstory arc starts up and it's all 'Here we go again...'
That should never be a reason to forgive the antagonist but you should at least tell yourself "What did I do if I was in his shoes?". For me the best antagonist are practically the same as the mc (in term of tragic past or vision) they just differ on one point and that change all. Like they said in war nether said are wrong they just have different point of view.
I feel like normal MC is very common in webnovels. I've seen so many stories starting with an MC living a boring life, or that he's normal, etc. Many OP MC stories (and this is probably the biggest chunk of webnovels) have a boring, everyday, normal MC start.
But when it comes to western fantasy novels, then yeah, mostly tragic past. It's probably more on webnovels being escapist, so they start with a normal MC getting powers. And for western trad fantasy novels, maybe going off ancient greek hero stories that have tragic backgrounds? Probably would be interesting to have an expert explain this to us.
Anyway, just for webnovels, normal MC is common.
I think their stories (the greek heroes) was made like this to make them more humans like and have the compassion of the simple mortal. And that for them to know that even demi god have hardship time in their life maybe for encouraging the poor one to nevre give up or something like that.
 

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I think their stories (the greek heroes) was made like this to make them more humans like and have the compassion of the simple mortal. And that for them to know that even demi god have hardship time in their life maybe for encouraging the poor one to nevre give up or something like that.
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No.

Greek heroes suffer tragedy as a result of:
  1. Pissing off the gods. Either the gods hate that they were born, or they do something that makes the gods lose favor with them.
  2. Their own flaws. There's a reason we still use the Greek word Hamartia when giving out writing advice for tragedy. May overlap with point one. ("I'm the best, even better than *god name*.")
  3. Jealousy/fear directed at them by other humans. Prophecy says that guy will kill me? Better off him first. And his mom too. (Oh did that just make him mad? My bad.)
 

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No.

Greek heroes suffer tragedy as a result of:
  1. Pissing off the gods. Either the gods hate that they were born, or they do something that makes the gods lose favor with them.
  2. Their own flaws. There's a reason we still use the Greek word Hamartia when giving out writing advice for tragedy. May overlap with point one. ("I'm the best, even better than *god name*.")
  3. Jealousy/fear directed at them by other humans. Prophecy says that guy will kill me? Better off him first. And his mom too. (Oh did that just make him mad? My bad.)
to be fair the greek gods are fucking psycho. And the result made them likeable by mortal, not what they have to do or why they have to do it.
 

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I am talking about fantasy novels, minus slice of life.

Oh... No, he was an orphan. Oh....No he was disabled. Oh... No, he relinquished his loved one. Oh... No, he was poor. Oh... No he was an employee in a black company. Oh... No, he
(something tragic in the back in past)

Why cannot we have an MC without a tragic past?

Is there any way to write a normal MC, which doesn't lose against the cliched usual tragic MC in appeal.?
I mean, my MC of the book I'm currently working on is set a normal. Like, just normal.

But for my thoughts on tragic MC. To begin, tragic or experiencing injustice can creat drama, and if used right, it can build character.

Batman would probably be less memorable if he was a guy with everything he could wish for in life and just one day decided: I wanna dress up as a bat and beat up bad guys.

No, it's because he lost both his parents, that audiences get to feel like they get how he feels. They think that because he has experienced something that intense, his decision of becoming Batman makes more sense than if he had just randomly decided for no reason.

As for being an orphan. It's a good way to both avoid thinking about a MC's background while simultaneously leaving space and blank canvas for the readers to insert themselves on to the MC. Convenient and effective.

On writing a normal MC that's better than a tragic one, it will have to rely on what the author makes the MC do in the story.

Have them have a set of defined values (doesn't need to be good values, but should to be clear). Have the MC stick to it, and if MC ever changes their value it had better be for a good reason. Let MC make decisions that both fit their characters and advance the plot at the same time. And lastly, give them a unique trait, be it a hobby, a habit, a flaw, a talent, whatever, and make them mean something.

What I'm trying to say is, MC without a tragic past is entirely possible. I guess a lot of authors choose the tragic MC route because it's a convenient (albeit not necessarily good) way to build their character(s).
 

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I think it really depends on how its revealed.

i've seen some stories where the tragic past is suddenly glued on halfway across the story, spanning multiple chapters and becoming its own arc.
At best its tolerable.
At worst it destroys the original premise of the story and turns it into an edgy drama.

If said backstory is an actual part of the novel from the very beginning, with several small references scattered here and there, thats a different matter.

It might be a good way to explain a character knowing how to do something, because they needed to do said thing in the past when *insert whatever character did in order to survive*.

But I don't think it should be relied on too much for character. Tragic pasts don't necessarily make a person behave better or worse, nor is it an excuse for present evils.

I think, when I dislike it, it's often because it doesn't feel relevant to the story in any way. Its just meaningless history of a fictional story.
 

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also why a lot of MC mother are depicted with a lovable appearance and then they die cruely.
There should be more MC moms whose sons die cruelly TBH
I think, when I dislike it, it's often because it doesn't feel relevant to the story in any way. Its just meaningless history of a fictional story.
Interesting, this is an angle I hadn't thought on.

So even if the backstory has a good narrative arc in itself, if it isn't thematically related to the current story, it doesn't do much for you, or is it more when they don't have good narratives arcs, or...?
 

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if it isn't thematically related to the current story, it doesn't do much for you
I think so. Maybe? If you and I are both focusing on the "thematic" part, here.

All stories have plots, even SoL stories. Those plots could be walking to school, attending a lesson, then going home on repeat, but thats still the plot.

Lets say I'm reading a SoL highschool romcom. I'm reading it for the comedy, and the fluff, most likely. Suddenly, on ch 21 of the story, strange forshadowing occurs, and by the end of ch 22, aliens invade. The next five chapters are about how everyone awakens superpowers to fight said aliens. It doesn't matter how amazingly written the aliens are, or the combat is. It would off-put me, because I wasn't there for heart-pumping action to begin with.

Like, its another matter if its a Highschool-SoL romcom where aliens are introduced from ch1 and the synopsis, because then I'm expecting them and it becomes a fundamental part of the story. I'm expecting aliens and I'm reading the story partially because of them.

I think its the same for tragic backstories. Halfway through a story, I'm interrupted by a completely different story which has different setting, plot, and themes running through it compared to the original. It doesn't matter how good it is. It puts me off because it wasn't what I started reading it for.

Again, lets take another, less extreme (non-existant) example.

Lets say we have some dramatic love story between some princess and her knight in shining armour. Why am I reading it? Probably for the interaction between the two main characters. What if, at ch 30, the author goes on a 5 chapter tangent on how the knight was ill-treated by his stepmother or something ten years ago? What does it have to with the interaction between him and the princess, except for the princess to say two or three lines of consolation to him at the end of it? I didn't pick up said story to read about a knight being ill-treated by his mother, so it doesn't interest me.

Now, lets say princess gets kidnapped along with the knight, and locked in a room. Then, the knight lock-picks the door, and as an offhand comment, mentions that he learned it ten years ago when his mother used to lock him up and starve him. Thats fine, because its relevant to the plot. we don't need the five chapters of detail to explain that his mother used to mistreat him, and any relevant information can just be brought up when needed. That way, the focus of the story never shifts off the relationship between the princess and her knight, so it wouldn't feel off-putting to me.

Alternatively, said tragic backstory could be mentioned in side-chapters or so, because side-chapters are optional and I could ignore them If they don't suit my fancy.
 

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Alternatively, said tragic backstory could be mentioned in side-chapters or so, because side-chapters are optional and I could ignore them If they don't suit my fancy.
Yeah, sidestories are nice for that.

I like to use them for remixing some of the main themes of the main work, I think, so there's resonance? But at the same time suddenly dropping into a remix from nowhere can still be a bit jarring, even if it's relevant.

I don't think I'd mind them if they were part of the main work and I was reading them, though? But I think I'm probably less easily jarred by switchups.

Lets say we have some dramatic love story between some princess and her knight in shining armour. Why am I reading it? Probably for the interaction between the two main characters. What if, at ch 30, the author goes on a 5 chapter tangent on how the knight was ill-treated by his stepmother or something ten years ago? What does it have to with the interaction between him and the princess, except for the princess to say two or three lines of consolation to him at the end of it? I didn't pick up said story to read about a knight being ill-treated by his mother, so it doesn't interest me.
I feel could genuinely be interested in this if it explains a lot about the knight's personality now and the relationship they've had with the princess so far... but if it doesn't advance anything or resonate with the relationship that's currently going, I'd probably be pretty ???? about it.

Regardless, thanks for explaining!
 

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The reason I gave him a tragic backstory was to justify his hatred, which I use to make it clearer that he isn't fixing his nation or anything, he just wants vengeance and power. I agree it is overused, but sometimes to helps to justify motives and such
 
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