What motives do you prefer in the battle between the protagonist and antagonist?

What motives do you prefer in the battle between the protagonist and antagonist?

  • Clash of ideologies

  • Revenge/ interpersonal hatred

  • Love motives/ competition for a love interest

  • Struggle for the power/ throne

  • Protecting family and loved ones

  • Rivalry

  • Legacy of past sins

  • Manipulation by a third party

  • Colonisation/ domination/ foreign invasion

  • Other motives


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Eldoria

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What motives do you prefer in the battle between the protagonist and antagonist?
 

Snake99

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Revenge, in my opinion if the audience doesn't hate the villain and wants to see him/her die or suffer in the conclusion, then he/she wasn't a good villain or even a villain at all.
 

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What motives do you prefer in the battle between the protagonist and antagonist?
I want it as a battle of pride, I wrote my final battle in a way that the Mc have to set aside her pride and then blame the antagonist as the reason why did she do it in the first place. It's just very human, specially at final arcs when battles often are conceptual
 

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My top three are pure hatred, manipulation, and domination in that order. Although, I liked all your options.

They say revenge is best served cold, but it's so much more satisfying when slow-cooked.
This could be done in more than one way on the pure hatred, and manipulation. For example, is the hate coming from both sides or 1 side. I would think in the 'most logical' pure sense of a hero, the hate should be mostly from his antagonist where the 'hero' doesn't actually hate the antagonist. But its possible to in real life have someone have you for no reason, or for you being better than they are at being good, and so on. I've seen this in my life also.

But many will probably think you mean for the hatred to be both ways.

Its also possible that the hero could identify and see that their antagonist is PURE EVIL without wishing harm on others, but seeing that level of evil WILL result in harm to others. (If they don't do something to stop them.)

A lot of people when they write story think they have to write the hero hating the villain equally, but I don't think that has to be done that particular way. When we understand evil and the world we live in, we see we don't have to go down to their level. But you could still have your plot written in such a way to have pure hatred or manipulation being part of the main plot. There's no shortage of evil to right about or hate right now.
Many people are stating otherwise now. But for most readers I think they want SOME differences between the heroes and the villains. Part of why so many shows are turn offs to people now and why they are so angry at Netflix and others is that the writers writing the shows are so woke and careless that they don't care about some difference between the heroes and villains. And when you watch some shows it looks like they are writing it to sometimes have good and evil flipped backwards where the heroes act villainy and shady and where you can't see a difference between them and the real villains. These kind of written plots people do get tired of quickly because there's not fulfillment at the end of the season or story to see something good come out of it. Most people want to see good come out of something.
 
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Manipulation by a third party gotta be one of my all time goats. You can't go wrong with the secret villain manipulating the fake villain.
 

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Bad guy is bad guy.
MC good guy is true good guy.
Good guy beat bad guy.

That is all.

No sob story, No redemption of bad guy turning good, no deus-machina where bad guy escape or MC miss his killing attack or a big shot appear to save bad guy at last second or some other bs "big background" appearing out of nowhere that is revealed that the bad guy is a minion of some giga-badonkers stronk multidimensional group that want to destroy this world.


tl;dr: Frieren

Jetblackjay on X: Both of yall didn't read the Manga Frieren says the main  issue is that the path to humans and demons co existing would literally  result in a lot of
 
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Interesting and/or plausible. All the rest is window dressing.

Edit: Picked "Other" because, in the true spirit of multiple choice, the only correct answer is: "All, Some or maybe None of the above"
 
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Terrate

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The evil guy being evil for the sake of evil and nothing else has its own charm for me.
At least, all the hero needs to be, is be good guy enough to know that this evil guy continuing to exist is a bad thing for everyone and everything.
 
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