What is your opinion on a world where everyone is evil?

[Ai-chan]

Let's say that you have a setting where everyone is inherently evil.

Not everyone practices evil, because that would mean the concept of evil would be lost. What happens is that when the opportunity comes, people are more likely to commit evil acts over good. And even when they commit good deeds, they actually meant it for evil. In some cases, even when they think they're doing good, they are misguidedly doing evil.

Examples are:
1. A poor malnourished girl falls in front of a horse and is trampled to death. Instead of feeling sympathy for the girl, everyone was discretely chucking, saying something along the line of "lol what a dumbass" or "it's her own fault for falling in front of a horse" or "eww, I got her blood on me!" or "aww, pity, she's so cute, I could sell her for a profit" or "it's her parents fault for not teaching their daughter manners".
2. A family is on the verge of starving to death. A merchant comes and offers to take care of them. The mother and her children are grateful for his help and swear they won't forget this boon. But the merchant was not doing it because he wanted to do good. He helped them because he wanted to see the look of despair in the mother's eyes when he rape the little girl, skin the boy alive and throw them into a starving wolf pack. He hasn't even met the family before but he just did it for shits and giggles.

What kind of world would such inherent evil create? How would society function when the majority of people, from the noblest of men to the poorest of commoners have a propensity to choose evil over good? How would the concept of 'good' be practiced in such a world? How would 'good' remain in such a world?

Ai-chan got the inspiration for this question from the Evillious Chronicles by Akuno-P. The entire series can make you cry if you understand what the songs said. Ai-chan probably won't be writing it as Ai-chan can't imagine such as world as Mothy could.

This is the same girl from Lunacy of Duke Venomania, The Portrait Glassred Drew follows shortly after that song.

 

[LimitBound]

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[TheTrinary]

That just sounds like someone being mean spirited or going for black comedy and failing horribly. If you're going for something like this, I think you need some relevant social commentary on top of it to give it a point. On principle it's been done before plenty of times, but not as a world building element.

So I don't know on that level. If that's your "fantasy world" aspect, you need to make it unmistakably clear that that's what you're going for. Even then, I think it would very hard not to read in the societal implications.

 

[Deleted member 54065]

Then there's no concept of evil.

Evil is only magnified in the presence of good. People who always do 'evil things' like it's an everyday life tend to have no idea that what they are doing is 'evil', because for them, it's normal.

Think of it like, "I'm racist to everyone, including my own people. Therefore I'm not racist."

 

[Bartun]

Well, to be honest, I don't think it would even be possible for a world like that to exist. Sure, evil exists and is terrible, we see many evil deeds on a daily basis, but you humans and even I that am a dinosaur, evolved with inherent "goodness" at heart. Society wouldn't exist if humans didn't cooperate and help each other. Protective instincts are deeply ingrained in almost every animal, positively selected by nature, that drives them to protect others, be their mates, their offspring, and so on. Such instincts also gave those animals empathy, the capacity to put themselves in other people's places, to feel others' pain, and the capacity to help them. Even my ancestors, 65 million years ago, cared for their children and even helped others back to health that had broken bones!

Animals don't have sufficient brain capacity for evil, they just follow their instincts. Only humans can be evil, and despite that, it's still more convenient to help each other, being utterly evil is simply not convenient for evolution. As long as humans have the capacity to love, all is not lost.

 

[CarburetorThompson]

The virgin Voltaire vs the chad Rousseau

 

[RepresentingWrath]

It's Russia in a nutshell. My opinion on it, I got used to living here.

 

[Tsuru]

IRL is already near full of bad people.
Even me that i think am a good person, and in fact far too kind and naive, also got it's own share of evilness.
It is human nature.
Like a really old old old popular manhwa where the dead MC catch demons that escaped, "Do you see the world in black and white ?" "For an evil guy like you, you probably see everything in black" "No. I see the world being grey."

And to be honest. The more years pass and the more humanity worsened. Rotting.
I seen the emergence of the word STFU, "google yourself", no more thx after being resurrected in games, just talking kind words or advice randomly can have a guy being toxic to you with a high probability.
Microtransactions becoming a thing. P2W games appearing. "Karen" thing. Some websites that crave for money thx to a VIP function (danbooru, pixiv). "Fantia"/"fansonly". Big games like BF2042 and Cyberpunk being trash when they could hire a few kids to give their oppinions by trying it. Twitter/reddit the DONT-ENTER zones full of retards (i encountered a few people that can't even read correctly my posts when i tried reddit). People hating reading big posts. People hating to write a lot. Moderators being shit in any kind of form, which created the "ban hammer memes". LGBT community becoming hated because the stupid ones give a terrible impression to the public.

But to be honest, there is a certain country in the east, that is terribly worse but i won't cite the name. But youtube got lot of stuff about them. Like p## tea eggs in one city.
That is why we should being happy of what we got. Unless it's horrible.
Living life as if it was the last day is also a nice way of life because life is short and fragile. You could get cancer the next day or fall in stairs and die because of bad luck fall. YOLO is truly something viable but idiots that do crazy stunts or crimes gave it a bad image and probably also because of how it sounds like a joke.

Good people are bullied because they are nice targets. Evilness is something that propagate really fast.
The truly smart good people, know it's better to stop bothering to try to be kind, or just being steathy. Sadly i am good person but dumb. I lost count of shitty people i encountered on discord. There is even one that insulted of being a N#ZI commander because i simply asked another person to move it's image to a different channel.

PS : from an acquaintance, the only gamer community on earth that is not toxic, are the jps. True thing.
If you finished reading my whole post^
i say GOOD JOB

Because nowadays kids don't do that anymore.

 

[PancakesWitch]

sounds like a stupidly edgy idea with no substance, in our own world people is also kind of "evil" based in what you said, empathy is already a thing of the past and we are constantly moving forward to a world where everybody only cares about themselves, your "evil world" is already this world, and if you think that such a thing is wrong and not true, then i shall invite you to inform yourself a bit more about the world where you're living in.

 

[owotrucked]

Morality is an evolutionary trait of all social species that required to form communities to overcome hardship. (Like the desire for equality)
Example: monkeys have a sense of justice (unfair reward experiment)

Then evil and deception are evolutionary traits that bloom within social species because individuals seek to secure advantage for its lineage over their peer. (Like desire for inequality and to stand at the top)
Example: self coding robots experiment to illustrate the evolutionary pressure of lying

Perhaps you can make society slip into immorality if you remove all external threats to a social species, removing the need for tight cooperation. The only problem is to sustain and preserve that rotten society. For instance, rotten empires fall on its own in real life, but if there was an overpowered tool of repression it could work maybe? After generations, every members of that society will turn into breathing pieces of shit

 

[Mr.Grey-Cat]

from a logical point of view, such a world is not completely impossible, depending on the dominant species of that world and how they evolved.

I mean, humans that have tendencies to do evil from birth exist even in real life, and what you are describing is just a world filled to the brim with it, so honestly, the challenge won't be in convincing the readers with the world, but instead, the hard part will be finding how that world will evolve.

Because, in such a world, concepts like favors and goodwill won't exist, things like familial love and kinship are only a fantasy, marriage and sex education are not needed, law and government will be completely different, and weird concepts like necessary good, sociopaths that help others, and the inner angel will exist.

so while the concept of a world full of evil is easy to come up with, any attempts to make it will be faced with the challenge of navigating a foreign and alien world beyond normal human understanding, as such forcing the author to try and create a completly logical society that would naturally evolve into that world.

And if there is any saving grace, then it is the fact that such world exists in some folklores and religions, as hell or the demon world and such, so you can try reading through them, and finding a suitable social evolution to base your world's history and people on.

 

[Chaos_Sinner777]

Why would I want to think about the real world?

 

[BigBadBoi]

Society would collapse immediately. Or maybe a society wouldn't even form at all because everyone is an unga bunga retard with a brain that never evolved to feel compassion whatsoever.

 

[Plantorsomething]

Let's say that you have a setting where everyone is inherently evil.

Not everyone practices evil, because that would mean the concept of evil would be lost. What happens is that when the opportunity comes, people are more likely to commit evil acts over good. And even when they commit good deeds, they actually meant it for evil. In some cases, even when they think they're doing good, they are misguidedly doing evil.

Examples are:
1. A poor malnourished girl falls in front of a horse and is trampled to death. Instead of feeling sympathy for the girl, everyone was discretely chucking, saying something along the line of "lol what a dumbass" or "it's her own fault for falling in front of a horse" or "eww, I got her blood on me!" or "aww, pity, she's so cute, I could sell her for a profit" or "it's her parents fault for not teaching their daughter manners".
2. A family is on the verge of starving to death. A merchant comes and offers to take care of them. The mother and her children are grateful for his help and swear they won't forget this boon. But the merchant was not doing it because he wanted to do good. He helped them because he wanted to see the look of despair in the mother's eyes when he rape the little girl, skin the boy alive and throw them into a starving wolf pack. He hasn't even met the family before but he just did it for shits and giggles.

What kind of world would such inherent evil create? How would society function when the majority of people, from the noblest of men to the poorest of commoners have a propensity to choose evil over good? How would the concept of 'good' be practiced in such a world? How would 'good' remain in such a world?

Ai-chan got the inspiration for this question from the Evillious Chronicles by Akuno-P. The entire series can make you cry if you understand what the songs said. Ai-chan probably won't be writing it as Ai-chan can't imagine such as world as Mothy could.

This is the same girl from Lunacy of Duke Venomania, The Portrait Glassred Drew follows shortly after that song.

I’d say humanity would be extinct. “Goodness” Is a preservation instinct after all.

 

[georgelee5786]

Let's say that you have a setting where everyone is inherently evil.

Not everyone practices evil, because that would mean the concept of evil would be lost. What happens is that when the opportunity comes, people are more likely to commit evil acts over good. And even when they commit good deeds, they actually meant it for evil. In some cases, even when they think they're doing good, they are misguidedly doing evil.

Examples are:
1. A poor malnourished girl falls in front of a horse and is trampled to death. Instead of feeling sympathy for the girl, everyone was discretely chucking, saying something along the line of "lol what a dumbass" or "it's her own fault for falling in front of a horse" or "eww, I got her blood on me!" or "aww, pity, she's so cute, I could sell her for a profit" or "it's her parents fault for not teaching their daughter manners".
2. A family is on the verge of starving to death. A merchant comes and offers to take care of them. The mother and her children are grateful for his help and swear they won't forget this boon. But the merchant was not doing it because he wanted to do good. He helped them because he wanted to see the look of despair in the mother's eyes when he rape the little girl, skin the boy alive and throw them into a starving wolf pack. He hasn't even met the family before but he just did it for shits and giggles.

What kind of world would such inherent evil create? How would society function when the majority of people, from the noblest of men to the poorest of commoners have a propensity to choose evil over good? How would the concept of 'good' be practiced in such a world? How would 'good' remain in such a world?

Ai-chan got the inspiration for this question from the Evillious Chronicles by Akuno-P. The entire series can make you cry if you understand what the songs said. Ai-chan probably won't be writing it as Ai-chan can't imagine such as world as Mothy could.

This is the same girl from Lunacy of Duke Venomania, The Portrait Glassred Drew follows shortly after that song.

That'd be interesting

 

[Tsuru]

sounds like a stupidly edgy idea with no substance, in our own world people is also kind of "evil" based in what you said, empathy is already a thing of the past and we are constantly moving forward to a world where everybody only cares about themselves, your "evil world" is already this world, and if you think that such a thing is wrong and not true, then i shall invite you to inform yourself a bit more about the world where you're living in.

...................................I feel so sad that your "empathy" sentence is so true.

That is why "kind people", me included, are a thing of the past and turning extinct.
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What i say next is just me talking alone, and can be ignored :

Empathy is probably mostly focused on people that suffered before.
Years ago in NU forum, i talked with a dude about the WN demi-vampire MC shota that died 2-3 times because god mistaken the name of his with a bad guy. The dude, felt it was fine for the guy to have suffered. While for me, i felt empathy for the MC to have this injustice. A few posts later, the guy says he got a good life, is handsome, and that otakus virgin "like me" should try to look in the present and will die as a virgin.

Also there are memes about sygmas or "I can't believe he didn't cry for titanic [+the last bird of it's kind, singing a courting song]".
Sure there are good men out there. But 99+% won't give a shit about the freaking bird. Just like there are "Karen", there is also a name for "male karen".

Also me, you, anyone, feel bad for war victims but in the end we do nothing. Some good urban CNs sometimes give this kind of nice truths. We are hypocritical. A person can think he is a good person if he feels bad for a victim in the news, but in fact it's false. The true good people that voluntary people that use their free time to help people. People that give donations to help and not companies that give donations so the states reduce their tax.

Another truth which is mind-blowing from a CN : Humans always do stuff with a selfish goal. Acts that don't have a goal don't exist (unless maybe being crazy). Even acting kind to others is in fact selfish. Why ? Because you will feel happy you helped. And you probably don't know you are trying to please yourself.

And a last one : Probably you heard of this before right ? "I don't care of the appearance but i care about the soul". A really unknown but masterpiece wuxia old CN had the brother-in-law of anti-hero smart MC

Spoiler

that consider humans are trash and worthless beside his loved ones

, becoming friendly with a bad-sight smart girl that also got reading hobby. But as soon she wore the glasses that "fatty" gave. She was stunned and her good upbringing made her confess "I always thought that i would be fine to date anyone as long they shared my likes, but sadly i find out i can't do that." and the fatty was heartbroken. He go see MC and MC says "in fact this thing is bullshit. Humans' feelings first begin with SIGHT, and we crave what is beautiful. We also try to reproduce with what is attractive".
If you don't believe it, try to find some videos of really really f@t people and imagine if you had choice of staying single forever or date the person.

I’d say humanity would be extinct. “Goodness” Is a preservation instinct after all.

Problem, our society made the "goodness" being ignored.

1) Being evil is easier to get ahead. Now if someone if could get 500k by killing someone and NEVER EVER being found out, most would choose kill.
2) People in control are often bad and show bad example
3) Evil propagated too easily thx to internet
4) Capitalists worsened everything by being selfish and not thinking for the customers first
5) Laws is something to control the mass and help the rich (it sounds conspiracy or bullshit/chuuni but it's true)
6) Greed makes bribe rampant
7) "The dragon killer turned into a dragon" rule that happens often

I once seen a short video showing the bad sides of "modern society", and cited a bunch of "sins" with a corresponding modern photo. While when it gave "good qualities", it always showed some nice images of previous era or even before.

 

[CupcakeNinja]

Let's say that you have a setting where everyone is inherently evil.

Not everyone practices evil, because that would mean the concept of evil would be lost. What happens is that when the opportunity comes, people are more likely to commit evil acts over good. And even when they commit good deeds, they actually meant it for evil. In some cases, even when they think they're doing good, they are misguidedly doing evil.

Examples are:
1. A poor malnourished girl falls in front of a horse and is trampled to death. Instead of feeling sympathy for the girl, everyone was discretely chucking, saying something along the line of "lol what a dumbass" or "it's her own fault for falling in front of a horse" or "eww, I got her blood on me!" or "aww, pity, she's so cute, I could sell her for a profit" or "it's her parents fault for not teaching their daughter manners".
2. A family is on the verge of starving to death. A merchant comes and offers to take care of them. The mother and her children are grateful for his help and swear they won't forget this boon. But the merchant was not doing it because he wanted to do good. He helped them because he wanted to see the look of despair in the mother's eyes when he rape the little girl, skin the boy alive and throw them into a starving wolf pack. He hasn't even met the family before but he just did it for shits and giggles.

What kind of world would such inherent evil create? How would society function when the majority of people, from the noblest of men to the poorest of commoners have a propensity to choose evil over good? How would the concept of 'good' be practiced in such a world? How would 'good' remain in such a world?

Ai-chan got the inspiration for this question from the Evillious Chronicles by Akuno-P. The entire series can make you cry if you understand what the songs said. Ai-chan probably won't be writing it as Ai-chan can't imagine such as world as Mothy could.

This is the same girl from Lunacy of Duke Venomania, The Portrait Glassred Drew follows shortly after that song.

if everyone is evil, no one is. Also is means that lil girl is also evil so fuck her

 

[Tsuru]

Why would I want to think about the real world?

o_ob true

Like i wrote on my profile "Life is a shitty game" (from a certain jp IP coughNGNFcough)

if everyone is evil, no one is. Also is means that lil girl is also evil so fuck her

If everyone is evil, if you are the one not evil, you are the one that shouldn't be there.

Some people once heard about the "being able to see in a world of blind people" logic right ?

 

[CupcakeNinja]

o_ob true

Like i wrote on my profile "Life is a shitty game" (from a certain jp IP coughNGNFcough)

If everyone is evil, if you are the one not evil, you are the one that shouldn't be there.

Some people once heard about the "being able to see in a world of blind people" logic right ?

fucks with the title "everyone" is evil, but yeah. You aint evil, gtfo.

 

[expentio]

This reminds me a bit about one of my story ideas I once had.
This one was about a certain goddess which overlooks and balances the whole multiverse and turns normal girls into her angels, more or less voluntary (rather the latter, but with a yes as a condition). The focus was on those "angels".
The thing, to get back to the topic, was that one kind were blood angels. And their base job was to purge worlds that weren't saveable anymore by drowning them in their blood. Those would be such where demons won, killed all the others, and now threaten to swap over to others, hentai worlds where even the little fairies are going to rape you (Ahem, purely for research reasons), and those like this, where morality simply dropped through the gutter. The souls would be cleansed afterwards and the world gets a reset. The issue is that even if there's still good in such a world it has barely any chance. To fight evil means to do violent and sometimes despicable things and the faction with fewer reservations can claim the advantage. Yet this can lead to the good guys becoming evil or at least ambiguous themselves. While it's true that being social is an important social trait I don't think that it's impossible that some kind of degradation can (not must) occur. In that way, sometimes there's someone who has to do the dirty work. Funny enough, one of the catchphrases of one blood angel during vacation was "Don't worry, your world isn't nearly bad enough, yet." (I remember faintly she was in the "Berserk" world at that time.) So they have high standards.
Not like this comment has greater philosophical merits but I had this idea back then.
So be nice to each other so no blood angel has to come. (Those poor girls work so hard)