What even is "bad grammar"

[RedMuffin]

Bath granma bi liek sentencz no made senses, by cause wrote bathly.

 

[SurfAngel_1031]

Grammar is about rules of English that are essential for composing sentences. These cover things like having a subject and a verb. The funny part is I get told my grammar in my stories is good, but I actually only know the grammar rules intuitively at this point. Most of them I don't know their names anymore.

"Conjunction Junction what's your function, hooking up words phrases and clauses..."

School House Rock for the win.

 

[Golden_Hyde]

I think this is where the subjectivity of what's "bad grammar" come to place. In my personal observation, some part of the native speaker constantly fuck up the English language structure so bad, people got accustomed to it.

Now, when I go Shakespearean in the story and someone out there tried to clown on me because of it, it's their fault for not getting that. But if it's an experienced beta reader or alpha reader or even an expert roaster (like Tempokai) pointed out oddly structured sentences I've typed, that's on me.

However, if you're here intentionally making a custom grammar like how the Orks talk from Warhammer 40K, then it's all good.

 

[CharlesEBrown]

However, if you're here intentionally making a custom grammar like how the Orks talk from Warhammer 40K, then it's all good.

Red wunz go fasta.

 

[Golden_Hyde]

Red wunz go fasta.

Even then, this kind of sentences is carefully deconstructed from the beginning before making this sentence so it doesn't always sounded odd and had its own characteristics.

Yeah, you had to do full linguist mode on pulling this off

 

[Cookiez_N_Potionz]

I resonated with this thread because my grammar and transitions are lacking , lol

 

[RainingFish]

As a non-native English speaker, I often ask myself what viewers mean by 'bad' grammar. Can someone give me an example? Is it beyond the right word choice and spelling? It's always hard to judge if my grammar is good or not if I don't know what people base grammar quality on.

I don't actually know the rules. I just know that after reading enough I started to get an instinct for what 'seems' right. Also, I use Grammarly and QuillBot. The combination of the two seems adequate, or at least no one has pointed out to me that it's a problem.

 

[CharlesEBrown]

"Bad Grammar" for me is anything that just feels wrong and drags me out of the story. I can overlook some little "mistakes" if the flow is good and the story engaging, but when there are a lot of them, or big stuff that makes a paragraph just feel like gibberish, then I have to cry foul.

 

[CheertheSecond]

As a non-native English speaker, I often ask myself what viewers mean by 'bad' grammar. Can someone give me an example? Is it beyond the right word choice and spelling? It's always hard to judge if my grammar is good or not if I don't know what people base grammar quality on.

Bad grammar is grammar that had not been widely accepted as good grammar.

Solutions:

• Learn the good grammar or
• Throw whoever disagree with you into gulag and implement worldwide re-education like those Chinese commu some decades ago did. The Adolf's executive has too many risks of failure so not advise.

 

[Enjen]

Hiya~ I’ma throw my 2 cents in..
As a native speakers I find that “bad grammar” is generally not bad grammar but.. something else? Not quite “bad writing” but it just feels off.
(There are exceptions.. Ive read a few stories with grammar so bad I had to stop reading…)

I’ll try to elaborate on this a bit~ Personally, finding the right amount of a grammar to use and matching how your character speaks are what qualify as “good grammar”. Anyways~

Here’s my first example: your post. This fits exactly what I described above—it feels off.

I’d say that you’re using too much grammar in a way? And it also kinda doesn’t flow. Each individual sentence in a vacuum is fine, but placed together in context it feels wrong.

This sentence to me feels wrong, out of place. It’s a fine sentence, but feels off. (If I had written this post I’d say “Can I have an example?”)

Also using “beyond” in the manner you did doesn’t really work. It gets the point across, but feels wrong and is technically (I think).

Read this:

I made 3 changes. 2 are highlighted in red, and then I removed “always” in the last sentence.

Why remove the always? It feels right. But also
I think it violates the maxim of quantity (basically you generally convey the amount of information needed, and no more or less. If you want to learn more, look it up). The always is implied so adding it is redundant and feels off.

I’m going to just dump my edited version here and explain after…

Almost all of these changes are for tone. The original text is far too formal. This is a random thread not a piece of formal writing so it felt off.

First change, changed “No, thank you” to
“No thanks”. Might be breaking some rules here. I dunno~ but the important part is removing the comma. Thanks or thank you, doesn’t matter. That part is your voice—How do you want to sound? The comma adds formality and makes everything feel off, hence* its removal.

Changing “did not” to “didnt” is again just making everything less formal.

Changing the second grammarly to “it” is done because the subject (grammarly) should already be known from the previous context. Pronouns exist for a reason~

My last change was changing “however” to “but”. Same thing: reducing formality. However, the comma after however could be left in. I removed it because that’s how I want the sentence to be paced. However, if you want a pause afterwards, keep the comma. This is more of a voice thing again.

*I tend to use some fancier words like “hence” but it doesn’t break the flow.. and just above I used however. I wouldn’t consider this to be formal writing, so, why’s it feel okay? I think it’s because I shift my tone to be formal, thus making it fit in. I dunno honestly~

This above text is great and I have no comments on it~ To me, this sounds like a native speaker.

If OPs question was worrying about sounding like a native speaker this'd be sound advice! But, like you mentioned in you're reply, OP just sounded formal. I think their Grammar was spot-on actually.
Grammar is the arranging of words in the proper order or the set of structural rules that govern how words, phrases, and sentences are formed. It's the framework that defines things like:

Parts of Speech (Nouns, Verbs, etc.);
Sentence Structure (Clauses, Subject-verb rules);
Punctuation (Commas, Periods, Y'know what this is lol) ("Let's eat, Grandma!" vs "Let's eat Grandma!")
Tenses (Present, Past, Future)

Hope that helps OP

 

[Nagulan]

Bad Grammer Is Like How I Use Caps On Every Word Also I'm ?