What Do You Think About These Stories?

APieceOfRock

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One can probably see here shades of black.
Hitler was quite influenced by his own propaganda. I won't deny that he was an absolute monster, though Goebbels could be even worse, but in his own wretched mind Hitler, for example, blamed Jews for everything that ever went wrong in his and everyone else's life, believing in the grand world conspiracy. This was naturally unjustified, narrow-minded, and radically discriminatory, which are things to be seen as being evil. However, it was an agenda and no fun pastime. He and all the national socialism could be seen as conspirational madness. The same as we see today when people start believing every lie they are told and are willing to go to the greatest lengths to fight the enemy they made out to be. Propaganda is that powerful.

I'll give you that people like Goebbels just have done it for power, which can very well be seen as pure evil.

What I meant by monsters are those who apparently can kill women and children without remorse. Like Wagner mercenaries who defile bodies and play with cut-off heads. In some way, this savagery without reason is its own class and that's something I mostly see in recent wars in our globalized world with fluid fronts, yet maybe I'm only more aware of it due to the greater amount of media that displays it. However, usually, I try to look behind to see why people would go that far. Many atrocities in historic wars had a cause. Hatred that was long cultivated. People who just kill out of a sense of superiority are probably the minority. Even fewer there are, I hope so at least, those who just kill for the savage fun of it.

I seriously hope nobody sees any kind of support for those things in this comment. There is nothing to support about discrimination, murder, and genocide. But what I was trying to say is that in my own personal opinion, I find evil without reason, without any further thought behind but the evil act itself, to be so absolute that it seems like a distant cliche and is hard to come by.
Yet then I watch the news.
That's actually an interesting topic to explore. How war and hard times and twist people to such a degree. I think Wagner's mercenaries HAD to do it multiple times, and to detached themselves from reality, they make it a twisted fun. I can't speak from personal experience but even a child with a gun can kill you.

I always try to find reasons in the most astrocious of acts since just thinking that they're "pure evil" won't actually solve anything. I think we need to find out the "why" to avoid it ourselves.
 

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Personally, I think Hitler was a tragic hero. A lot of the stuff said about him and the Nazies was clearly made up to justify the human rights abuses and war crimes against the Germans, and to prop up the liberal world order against future nationalism. Like seriously? You expect people to believe they tricked all the Jews into showers, but then, surprise! It's actually poison gas! Yeah that shit definitely didn't happen. ?
Hitler? You mean that one Austrian artist everyone's been talking about for years? Idk what's up with that guy
 

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Stop covering up socialist crimes.
Hitler is generally regarded as a fascist rather than a socialist-- but I muted Lloyd a while back, so I may lack context of the other stuff he said?

Read what he said in this thread, though, and pretty fucked up that we have a literal Hitler apologist and holocaust denier here.

Just to counter his particularly stupid argument, though-- "You expect people to believe they tricked all the Jews into showers, but then, surprise! It's actually poison gas!" ...it's not a trick. People walk to their executions all the time, because if they run, they just get shot earlier. People have even dug their own graves, knowing what it's for, because it means they get to live a little longer.

Regardless, I believe that what he's saying (and is insisting is not sarcastic) breaks Scribblehub's TOS, so I reported him.
 

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Hitler is generally regarded as a fascist rather than a socialist
Fascism came from socialism. That's why they were called the National Socialist party. The word fascism just covers up the truth. It's the same for Italy.

So, I'm a very open person. I want to learn everything and explore as many topics as possible, which sometimes reflects in my writing. However, I don't know if that is always the best, so I wanted to ask: What do you guys think about stories without a clearly defined 'good guy' and 'bad guy'?

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As for OP, any story where there is no clear good or bad signals to me that it's all bad. I dislike moral relativism. Moral Absolutism all the way.
That doesn't mean i wouldn't read it, but i wouldn't be quite as invested.
 
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Fascism came from socialism. That's why they were called the National Socialist party. The word fascism just covers up the truth. It's the same for Italy.
Well, I can see a potentially interesting conversation on how the nazi party did and didn't follow the norms of socialism through it's control of Germany, buuuuuut I don't really wanna deal with that sort of nuance when we have a literal hitler stan holocaust denier around.

So, I'm a very open person. I want to learn everything and explore as many topics as possible, which sometimes reflects in my writing. However, I don't know if that is always the best, so I wanted to ask: What do you guys think about stories without a clearly defined 'good guy' and 'bad guy'?
I dunno-- I write things with a fair bit of moral complexity, and some people assign 'good guy' and 'bad guy' to people regardless, but also some people engage with morality in my story in a more complex manner, which I enjoy, so yay!

As long as it doesn't harm anyone, I'd write what you want. I'd always rather read something written by someone who was enthusiastic about writing it than someone who was going through the motions.

For that matter, I'd be more happy to not read a story but know the author is writing what they want to, than have a story targeted at me that the author isn't enthused by.
 
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People walk to their executions all the time, because if they run, they just get shot earlier. People have even dug their own graves, knowing what it's for, because it means they get to live a little longer.
I have my next chapter idea…
 

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My husband and I both prefer children's stories without the whole good vs. evil component. We like it when a character makes a mistake and then says sorry and everyone is friends again.
 

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My husband and I both prefer children's stories without the whole good vs. evil component. We like it when a character makes a mistake and then says sorry and everyone is friends again.
Thats a story where people are trying to be good and avoid being bad. So all good guys.
 
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