What are your thoughts on vegan meat?

[John_Owl]

Vegans are against animal cruelty...
...without unnecessary death and suffering.

What's funny is their plant farms end up dehousing and killing hundreds of smaller animals. One cow can feed my entire family for a month. We'd have to kill or dehouse (likely kill to prevent them from moving back in) tens, possibly hundreds, of smaller animals for an amount of plants that equally filling for us. they're not against killing animals. They're against KNOWING an animal has been killed.

Of course, it also doesn't help that some go full militant. I've had a vegan screaming in my face that I'm a murderer in front of my child. THAT'S why I'm against veganism. You got things you can't or won't eat? Fine. Don't make it my problem. No issues with vegans, save for the ones that insist you must also be vegan.

 

[Hsinat]

What's funny is their plant farms end up dehousing and killing hundreds of smaller animals. One cow can feed my entire family for a month. We'd have to kill or dehouse (likely kill to prevent them from moving back in) tens, possibly hundreds, of smaller animals for an amount of plants that equally filling for us. they're not against killing animals. They're against KNOWING an animal has been killed.

Of course, it also doesn't help that some go full militant. I've had a vegan screaming in my face that I'm a murderer in front of my child. THAT'S why I'm against veganism. You got things you can't or won't eat? Fine. Don't make it my problem. No issues with vegans, save for the ones that insist you must also be vegan.

Your concerns about the impact of plant farming on wildlife are valid, and it's true that no food system is without flaws. While veganism aims to reduce harm, it’s not perfect, and agriculture does affect smaller animals. However, animal farming also has significant environmental impacts, which many vegans seek to address. Such as overgrazing and overpopulation in ecosystems.

I’m sorry to hear about your negative experience with a confrontational vegan. The fact that the person had the audacity to do that in front of your child is outrageous. Even if they were trying to spread the word, they shouldn't be so intolerant and lose temper that easily.

It's worth noting that such actions can lead to us forming bias opinion on the whole community. There are good-hearted people in the community. It's just that those freaks make it worse for them to be accepted in the society.

And, I apologize for bringing up such a sensitive topic.

 

[owotrucked]

Vegan meat as protein replacement is bad. Just eat beans, it's cheaper.

Vegan meat as flavor replacement is bad. Just eat real meat. Hunting and poor living conditions in farm are terrible because humans only reap without giving back. But domestication itself isnt bad if it's bilateral exchange. Good living condition for animals and letting them shaboink all day is ethical.

What's up with their beef with glutens?
I get that glutens might not be good for some, but why are they so heavily against it?

I was without prejudice like you. Then I bought a bag of pure gluten to test seitan.

On paper, its cheaper than meat, dry powder that store well, so its super convenient.

I tried for one week and never touched that thing again lmao

You gotta test the side effects for yourself.

Ill try again someday bc I have to finish that fuckin bag but gluten's rep isnt completely baseless

 

[Hsinat]

Vegan meat as protein replacement is bad. Just eat beans, it's cheaper.

Vegan meat as flavor replacement is bad. Just eat real meat. Hunting and poor living conditions in farm are terrible because humans only reap without giving back. But domestication itself isnt bad if it's bilateral exchange. Good living condition for animals and letting them shaboink all day is ethical.



I was without prejudice like you. Then I bought a bag of pure gluten to test seitan.

On paper, its cheaper than meat, dry powder that store well, so its super convenient.

I tried for one week and never touched that thing again lmao

You gotta test the side effects for yourself.

Ill try again someday bc I have to finish that fuckin bag but gluten's rep isnt completely baseless

Thanks for the enlightenment!

 

[Hoshino]

「Vegan meat, often crafted from plant-based ingredients, represents a fascinating intersection of ethics, sustainability, and culinary innovation. At its core, the rise of vegan meat challenges traditional notions of what constitutes "meat" and invites us to reconsider our relationship with food, animals, and the environment.
Also the emergence of vegan meat can be seen as a response to the ethical dilemmas surrounding animal agriculture. Many people grapple with the moral implications of consuming animal products, particularly in light of the suffering and exploitation that often accompany industrial farming practices. Vegan meat offers a potential solution, allowing individuals to enjoy the flavors and textures they love while aligning their dietary choices with their ethical beliefs. This raises profound questions about identity and authenticity: What does it mean to be a "meat eater" in a world where the essence of meat can be replicated without the involvement of animals?
The production of vegan meat often requires significantly fewer resources—land, water, and energy—compared to traditional meat production. This shift could play a crucial role in addressing pressing global issues such as climate change, deforestation, and food security. The philosophical implications here are vast; they challenge us to think about our responsibilities to future generations and the planet. If we can create satisfying alternatives that reduce our ecological footprint, are we not morally obligated to pursue them?
And the rise of vegan meat invites us to explore the concept of progress. As technology advances, so too does our ability to innovate in the kitchen. The culinary landscape is evolving, and with it, our definitions of tradition and authenticity. Is it possible that the future of food lies not in the preservation of age-old practices but in the embrace of new methodologies that prioritize compassion and sustainability?
However, the journey toward widespread acceptance of vegan meat is not without its challenges. Cultural and social factors play a significant role in shaping our food choices. For many, meat is not just sustenance; it is a symbol of tradition, community, and identity. The philosophical tension between innovation and tradition raises questions about how we can honor our past while forging a new path forward.
In conclusion, vegan meat is more than just a dietary choice; it is a reflection of our evolving values and priorities as a society. It challenges us to think deeply about our ethical responsibilities, our impact on the planet, and the very nature of what it means to eat. As we navigate this complex landscape, we are invited to engage in a broader dialogue about food, identity, and the future we wish to create. In this way, vegan meat serves as a catalyst for reflection and change, urging us to consider not only what we eat but why we eat it.」

Notice: This response is generate by leo because I'm too depressed to think about anything-nya.

 

[Forgotten_Fox]

I've eaten my fair share of vegan meat, and when prepared well they taste delicious

 

[tf1394]

Just eat vegetables

 

[JayMark]

I say, just kill cows... get over your feelings.

 

[RedMuffin]

Even I eat plants... what's the big deal?

It's plant cruelty.

 

[Representing_Tromba]

I have nothing against veganism but I do not trust synthetic meats. The Impossible meat had so many issues getting approved by the FDA and had to alter the recipe to meet European standards(which was not changed for American consumers and has yet to be approved by the EU for consumption).

Soy based meat alternatives like tofu are okay in rationed quantities as too much can cause various health risks(like with most foods).

 

[Nevafrost]

Vegan meat? There's something like that? meh

 

[Hsinat]

It's plant cruelty.

What should we eat? rocks?

 

[RedMuffin]

What should we eat? rocks?

You can extract the substances you need from rocks using technology, no?

 

[AnonUnlimited]

If you want to be vegan, why you trying to imitate meat? Is that desire to imitate telling you that you might be wrong about your diet?

 

[Alski]

What should we eat? rocks?

Humans should just learn to photosynthesize.

As for Vegan 'meat' i find it a hilarious oxymoron.

 

[John_Owl]

Your concerns about the impact of plant farming on wildlife are valid, and it's true that no food system is without flaws. While veganism aims to reduce harm, it’s not perfect, and agriculture does affect smaller animals. However, animal farming also has significant environmental impacts, which many vegans seek to address. Such as overgrazing and overpopulation in ecosystems.

I’m sorry to hear about your negative experience with a confrontational vegan. The fact that the person had the audacity to do that in front of your child is outrageous. Even if they were trying to spread the word, they shouldn't be so intolerant and lose temper that easily.

It's worth noting that such actions can lead to us forming bias opinion on the whole community. There are good-hearted people in the community. It's just that those freaks make it worse for them to be accepted in the society.

And, I apologize for bringing up such a sensitive topic.

As I said, I'm not against veganism as a whole. I'm specifically against the vegans who make it their life's mission to ensure that no one ever eats meat. I rarely buy mass-produced meat, instead opting for small, local farms. We have some AMAZING black angus cattle here. The meat is easily the most flavorful I've had, with the sole exception of Wagyu, but I'm not paying $100/lb.

The cattle are limited free roam, meaning they do have boundaries, but it includes grassland, forest, etc. They aren't caged like in all the "meat bad" movies (though, even a lot of mass production farms are going the route of not caging them in. Caging a cow makes the meat tough and flavorless due to stress). I also hunt when I can. My area takes conservation seriously, so there's no overhunting. But we've also seen years, like during the height of covid, when so few people went out, the deer population exploded, even in just 1 year. So much so that it was a concern for some that they might exhaust their food sources and have to either move or starve.

But like I mentioned, I'm fine with people eating whatever they can/want to. No need to go including others in your diet. I can't have lactose, But I don't go around making it others people's problem. I just avoid lactose.

 

[RepresentingWrath]

Retarded abomination made by acoustic people.

 

[Hsinat]

As I said, I'm not against veganism as a whole. I'm specifically against the vegans who make it their life's mission to ensure that no one ever eats meat. I rarely buy mass-produced meat, instead opting for small, local farms. We have some AMAZING black angus cattle here. The meat is easily the most flavorful I've had, with the sole exception of Wagyu, but I'm not paying $100/lb.

The cattle are limited free roam, meaning they do have boundaries, but it includes grassland, forest, etc. They aren't caged like in all the "meat bad" movies (though, even a lot of mass production farms are going the route of not caging them in. Caging a cow makes the meat tough and flavorless due to stress). I also hunt when I can. My area takes conservation seriously, so there's no overhunting. But we've also seen years, like during the height of covid, when so few people went out, the deer population exploded, even in just 1 year. So much so that it was a concern for some that they might exhaust their food sources and have to either move or starve.

But like I mentioned, I'm fine with people eating whatever they can/want to. No need to go including others in your diet. I can't have lactose, But I don't go around making it others people's problem. I just avoid lactose.

Noted.

As for the cattle issue, my country is backward and still uses traditional methods leading to the mentioned problems above.

I understand your point.

Just like you, I avoid intolerant people at all times high.

As they say it's hard to win against the smart, but it's impossible to win against a fool.

Even thought we live in 21st Century, there are people far uneducated on the matter as we are. It's our duty to spread awareness not difficulties.

Also, I really enjoyed this conversation with you. Usually, on such topics, people go haywire and start the heated arguments. This was a splendid exchange of information.

Really, I appreciate all of your comments and opinions on this topic. I hope that we can also have such respectful conversations in future as well.

Thanks!

Retarded abomination made by acoustic people.

Even though it sounds offensive, you're kinda right too.

 

[RepresentingWrath]

Even though it sounds offensive, you're kinda right too.

It's not offensive because it is stupid. At least from what I've heard, vegan meat is highly processed food that is bad for you. It depends on why you are vegan, but in certain cases you defeat the purpose of being a vegetarian by eating this highly processed food. More than that, vegetables and fruits are tasty on their own. Why would you want to do this weird 'vegan' meat thing? Eat a freaking potato baked in coals and call it a day. It is delicious. Or I dunno, eat mapo tofu, vegan samosas, whatever man.

 

[John_Owl]

Noted.

As for the cattle issue, my country is backward and still uses traditional methods leading to the mentioned problems above.

I understand your point.

Just like you, I avoid intolerant people at all times high.

As they say it's hard to win against the smart, but it's impossible to win against a fool.

Even thought we live in 21st Century, there are people far uneducated on the matter as we are. It's our duty to spread awareness not difficulties.

Also, I really enjoyed this conversation with you. Usually, on such topics, people go haywire and start the heated arguments. This was a splendid exchange of information.

Really, I appreciate all of your comments and opinions on this topic. I hope that we can also have such respectful conversations in future as well.

Thanks!

I enjoyed this as well. And you are correct, it's terrible to discuss these matter with most people. They stick rigidly to their beliefs. And while we may not have changed the other, I'm glad we could come to a mutual understanding.