What are some of your most loved cliches?

[T.K._Paradox]

To be frank, I can't take those "Ohohohohoho!" types seriously.

I prefer my noble girls to be more subdued.

So what would Fiora be then?

 

[skillet]

is this my chance to rant about my love for found family friendships?

think saiki k-- a lowkey emotionally detached, cynical main character grudgingly but progressively ends up with a group of friends that they hate acknowledging... but cannot help but acknowledge at the end? I LOVE IT. I live for it. I die over it. Found family, but make it friendship, and ya got me. (dm me if you know any anime/manga/novels with this trope well done pls)

also this is sort of a guilty pleasure (hehe) but shoujo manga tropes where the gruff boy softens just for one girl????? When done well?? That is golden. Golden, I tell you.
Too bad most of the cases they go too far in making the boy "bad" and the girl way too "oops I don't know anything but I can still say crazy wise things in the spur of the moment to make everyone fall in love with me! teehee >.<" (ugh) to be enjoyable ._. but that's another story altogether....

 

[HokuouTenrou]

To be frank, I can't take those "Ohohohohoho!" types seriously.

I prefer my noble girls to be more subdued.

That's why I said kinda ironically. I mean, my top waifus are serious nobles/ojou (and none of them challenged the protagonist for some petty reason lol).

 

[ForestDweller]

So what would Fiora be then?

Confident, competent noble that knows she wants to f*ck the MC and doesn't go all tsundere for it.

 

[BearlyAlive]

The classical "Ohohohohohohoho" Ojou-sama. Especially the blond ones with those overly big ringlets. Not sure if it's a fetish or anything but I absolutely love seeing those comedically haughty characters.

Betrayals like the plot twist in Baten Kaitos or the traitor character in literally every Tales of game. I know you can screw them up really bad, but if done right they're frigging awesome. Bonus points if they don't get redeemed or part of the cast knew of it beforehand and used it for their own goals.

The whole Crouching Moron, Hidden Badass trope. There's not much more refreshing than a token mascot charakter suddenly kicking ass. Unless it doesn't make sense, then it's just a deus ex machina.

 

[KyoruS]

The classic isekai wish fulfillment trope of having a slave harem girls. However I found most stories sucks at making a really interesting dynamic and believable harem cast.

 

[LilTV1155]

Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon trope. As long the character stay properly low profile and not blow his cover every time when a female character get involved unless the moment needed or for his love interest.
It's really dumb unless you play Spy work or Undercover really well with this trope.

Ugly Characters & Disabled. As long body-shaming is not too frequent or extreme, because if ugly characters need to transform themselves, then they must accept themselves for who they are, BUT not the unhealthy beauty standards. But if they keep doing that, then I should expect them to have description of health disorders like anorexia or bulmia to show it.

Disabled characters, not the crippled miracles and definitely not from Cold poison. Man can't walk, but is a badass. Characters who are either mute, deaf, blind, but totally badass and not stupid cocky that pick fight around the world for no goddamn reasons. I want to see that.
But man can't walk cause poison in your legs? BS, the first thing that come to mind is his barely functioning kidney or heart not the legs knees and I would rather see the appropiate treatments for poisons, not energy Acupunture needles every time (cuz whoever use needles will say "Golden fingers" or "lost techniques!" That would meant there are no doctors who do enough researches.

If a character show autism, sure I want to see it BUT not mental disorders or mental retardation!

Proper family treatement Trope, if done right give fluff and sympathy. But too many idiots chose either backstabbing, betrayal to drug rape-murder, or revenge dramas for half-baked reasons and can hardly accomplish anything on their own without the aids of other opposite gendered characters or getting lucky.

One cliche I like is the Edgelord anti-hero who kills when he have to or need to and take care of that problem right away just cause he's got pissed by too many fear-stupified idiots challenging him for no absolute reasons.

 

[ForestDweller]

The classic isekai wish fulfillment trope of having a slave harem girls. However I found most stories sucks at making a really interesting dynamic and believable harem cast.

I almost had one in my story but decided not to since I couldn't fit her well into the story.

 

[Agentt]

The classic isekai wish fulfillment trope of having a slave harem girls. However I found most stories sucks at making a really interesting dynamic and believable harem cast.

Oh, could you elaborate?

 

[KyoruS]

Oh, could you elaborate?

Most of the characters or love interest are passive in nature. They rarely grow or change due to circumstance even when the MC/Master themselves grows in character or in strength. It always feel samey or stale when it comes to their characters.

Sure, they don’t have any other ambitions or goal besides serving the MC thats why they are a 2D mindless character, but that’s not a great excuse in failing to write great interesting characters. What makes an interesting character is not it’s ambition or goals, it’s how they respond to a situation/problem, how they react to it. That’s where you put character and personality. They all serve the MC but surerly how they does it must be different, and changes throughout the story.

With new elements comes into play so should the harem cast character. There’s no interesting dynamic in play or changes that happened when new things happen. A new slave comes to the harem, what do the existing harem cast do? Most stories does nothing! They remain passive and does whatever they’ve been doing in the story. A far more interesting thing to do would be that the new girl brought a new perspective to the current harem cast. An interesting way to deal with circumstances or serve the MC. And they all adopt this, however this new novel way of doing this caught the MC’s attention, and MC’s hidden favorite changes to this new girl. Basically changing the social harem hierarchy. Will the previous favorite girl be jealous of the new girl and secretly will try to ruin her reputation? Or the new girl notices the sudden shift of social hierarchy and therefore tries to do something either to the previous favorite girl or the MC to not doom her?

The key to make an interesting story here is how most elements (situations, harem love interest, etc) in play are all changing and reactive, instead of passive.

Hopefully this rambling made sense. I wrote this in the morning.

 

[Agentt]

Most of the characters or love interest are passive in nature. They rarely grow or change due to circumstance even when the MC/Master themselves grows in character or in strength. It always feel samey or stale when it comes to their characters.

Sure, they don’t have any other ambitions or goal besides serving the MC thats why they are a 2D mindless character, but that’s not a great excuse in failing to write great interesting characters. What makes an interesting character is not it’s ambition or goals, it’s how they respond to a situation/problem, how they react to it. That’s where you put character and personality. They all serve the MC but surerly how they does it must be different, and changes throughout the story.

With new elements comes into play so should the harem cast character. There’s no interesting dynamic in play or changes that happened when new things happen. A new slave comes to the harem, what do the existing harem cast do? Most stories does nothing! They remain passive and does whatever they’ve been doing in the story. A far more interesting thing to do would be that the new girl brought a new perspective to the current harem cast. An interesting way to deal with circumstances or serve the MC. And they all adopt this, however this new novel way of doing this caught the MC’s attention, and MC’s hidden favorite changes to this new girl. Basically changing the social harem hierarchy. Will the previous favorite girl be jealous of the new girl and secretly will try to ruin her reputation? Or the new girl notices the sudden shift of social hierarchy and therefore tries to do something either to the previous favorite girl or the MC to not doom her?

The key to make an interesting story here is how most elements (situations, harem love interest, etc) in play are all changing and reactive, instead of passive.

Hopefully this rambling made sense. I wrote this in the morning.

Thank you for taking time from your morning

 

[NikkuNii]

I love it when a character in a book is like: It's like some kind of (genre) novel when they are in that same kind of novel.

 

[Agentt]

I love it when a character in a book is like: It's like some kind of (genre) novel when they are in that same kind of novel.

What?

 

[NikkuNii]

Its really hard to explain. Let me try to simplify: a manga character references a manga or something like that.

 

[Agentt]

Its really hard to explain. Let me try to simplify: a manga character references a manga or something like that.

Ah, i see,

 

[Beta_Krogoth]

Its a guilty pleasure... but I actually like it when the main group overcomes the villain with the power of friendship. Theres something wholesome about your homies having your back and all coming together to kick ass.

 

[MajorKerina]

Characters talking to themselves with a physical embodiment in the same room. Dreams that mean something.

 

[InceTagn]

My third favorite cliche, Is that of the manipulator being manipulated while manipulating things from behind the scene.
Strangely, most of the people who do it are greatly successful in their task. Just like in:

- naruto: nagato, fskaied by Obito, Fskaied by Madara, fskaied by Black zetsu. It is like a competition of who is the best machinator.

- I also like the cliche with the villain saying that he had the life of the hero all planed from the start:
Bleach- lord of the mystery

 

[Aoibh]

I like dialogue

 

[orangepeel]

I want to see more of the peasant who is divinly chosen as a hero. (not an isekai) usualy someone publicly recognized and groomed by a church.

I also love the one where the MC has a oppisite gender friend as a child who they don't see romanticly, seperate, time skip, random encounter and now they are hot and become the MC's crush.

not sure if it is common enough to be a trope, when the Mc gets some middling level of power and then has to go into hiding/secret identity.

an overpowered ability that has a side effect the Mc hates/is embarresed almost enought to abandon the power.

The minion, really any trope about minions (not the animated yellow ones)

The friend/party member who is secretly the big bad villian (not the backstabing kind, the I am bored so I will try out being on the heros team type)

The king (not the prince or heir) traveling in disguise as a poor man.

The Himbo (A good hearted, dumb as a brick, nieve, physicaly attactive man, think Kronk from emperors new groove)

I havn't found this (so an original idea not a trope) but if in a harem situation one of them couldn't care less obout the MC physicaly or emotionaly and is just in it for the power that comes from the position (could be any kind of power, magic, wealth, social position, pushing an agenda on the MC)