Vikings Runes Question

[RepresentingPride]

I would like to ask a question for any of you well versed in viking runes (which I don't know a thing). If I wanted to express a oath/vow through viking runes that will gloably said something like "For my family, every sacrifice is worth, though it costs the world itself."from the little I know about viking runes, they're related to a word, so maybe something like Family/Protection/Sacrifice/Sucess? or victory for the last, don't know what to use as a word for it

Thanks for the help!

 

[Cipiteca396]

A quick google search with the AI overview gave me this :
(ᛟ) (Family) (Othala)
(ᛉ) (Protection) (Algiz)
(ᛏ) (Courage) (Tiwaz - named after Tyr)

I have no idea about the subject, but I'm fine with this result for a five minute search.

 

[Assurbanipal_II]

I would like to ask a question for any of you well versed in viking runes (which I don't know a thing). If I wanted to express a oath/vow through viking runes that will gloably said something like "For my family, every sacrifice is worth, though it costs the world itself."from the little I know about viking runes, they're related to a word, so maybe something like Family/Protection/Sacrifice/Sucess? or victory for the last, don't know what to use as a word for it

Thanks for the help!

That is curious~. From what I know, runes served as an alphabet. They represented sounds, not entire words or concepts. The latter is done, but it is a limited phenomenon.

 

[RepresentingPride]

A quick google search with the AI overview gave me this :
(ᛟ) (Family) (Othala)
(ᛉ) (Protection) (Algiz)
(ᛏ) (Courage) (Tiwaz - named after Tyr)

I have no idea about the subject, but I'm fine with this result for a five minute search.

I wouldn't trust an ai with vikings runes

That is curious~. From what I know, runes served as an alphabet. They represented sounds, not entire words or concepts. The latter is done, but it is a limited phenomenon.

From the little bit of search I've done, each rune represent a word

 

[Assurbanipal_II]

I wouldn't trust an ai with vikings runes



From the little bit of search I've done, each rune represent a word

Runes are the letters in a set of related alphabets, known as runic rows, runic alphabets or futharks (also, see futhark vs runic alphabet), native to the Germanic peoples. Runes were primarily used to represent a sound value (a phoneme) but they were also used to represent the concepts after which they are named (ideographic runes). Runology is the academic study of the runic alphabets, runic inscriptions, runestones, and their history. Runology forms a specialised branch of Germanic philology

Runes - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

That being said, we have several extended text written in runic. Such as laws poems, religious texts, etc. That is why we know that it was an alphabet.

 

[RepresentingPride]

Runes are the letters in a set of related alphabets, known as runic rows, runic alphabets or futharks (also, see futhark vs runic alphabet), native to the Germanic peoples. Runes were primarily used to represent a sound value (a phoneme) but they were also used to represent the concepts after which they are named (ideographic runes). Runology is the academic study of the runic alphabets, runic inscriptions, runestones, and their history. Runology forms a specialised branch of Germanic philology

Runes - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

That being said, we have several extended text written in runic. Such as laws poems, religious texts, etc. That is why we know that it was an alphabet.

So they are an alphabet but each of them also mean a word?
Like mean f and chattel, wealth

 

[Assurbanipal_II]

So they are an alphabet but each of them also mean a word?
Like mean f and chattel, wealth

You see, it is an original use of the alphabet.

The alphabet as we know started out as pictograms as well. A for example is a turned around ox head. It later morphed into the sound ‘a’ as we know.

As for the rune f, it might little sense to you why it also symbolises chattel and wealth, but to my German ears it does a lot.

I will explain. The rune (letter) is read in Norse ‘fe’ or more originally ‘fehu’. I can see the German ‘Vieh’ in it, which means cattle, livestock.

And in fact, ‘fe’ and ‘fehu’ also mean cattle and livestock.

Now you need to know that in old European cultures, the wealth of a person was measured in livestock. The Romans, for example, used sheeps, ‘pecus’, as their preferred method, from which derives in the English of today the word ‘pecuniary’ for money.

The same was true for the Germanic people. They also counted in livestock. That is why livestock became overtime synonymous with wealth in general.

So, it does not surprise me that the rune ‘fe’ was used as a placeholder for livestock and in turn wealth when they were too lazy to fully spell out. Because if you read the rune aloud, the sound itself gives it the sense it needs.

PS Reading aloud was the norm. Reading in silence was a trend of the medieval period in Europe introduced by the monks. Until then, people generally read aloud.

 

[RepresentingPride]

You see, it is an original use of the alphabet.

The alphabet as we know started out as pictograms as well. A for example is a turned around ox head. It later morphed into the sound ‘a’ as we know.

As for the rune f, it might little sense to you why it also symbolises chattel and wealth, but to my German ears it does a lot.

I will explain. The rune (letter) is read in Norse ‘fe’ or more originally ‘fehu’. I can see the German ‘Vieh’ in it, which means cattle, livestock.

And in fact, ‘fe’ and ‘fehu’ also mean cattle and livestock.

Now you need to know that in old European cultures, the wealth of a person was measured in livestock. The Romans, for example, used sheeps, ‘pecus’, as their preferred method, from which derives in the English of today the word ‘pecuniary’ for money.

The same was true for the Germanic people. They also counted in livestock. That is why livestock became overtime synonymous with wealth in general.

So, it does not surprise me that the rune ‘fe’ was used as a placeholder for livestock and in turn wealth when they were too lazy to fully spell out. Because if you read the rune aloud, the sound itself gives it the sense it needs.

PS Reading aloud was the norm. Reading in silence was a trend of the medieval period in Europe introduced by the monks. Until then, people generally read aloud.

So it's more phonetic. I still don't know how I can use them to write my sentence

If I just use them as an alphabet and write in english I get something like this:

ᚠᛟᚱ ᛗᛃ ᚠᚨᛗᛁᛚᛃ, ᛖᚹᛖᚱᚣ ᛊᚨᚱᚨᚲᛁᚠᛁᚲᛖ ᛁᛊ ᚹᛟᚱᛏᚺ, ᚦᛟᚺ ᛁᛏ ᚲᛟᛊᛏᛊ ᛏᚺᛖ ᚹᛟᚱᛚᛞ ᛁᛊᛏᛖᛚᚠ.

While that can be used, if anyone know a bit about vikings runes, that will just appear as something weird/dumb/stupid.

 

[Assurbanipal_II]

So it's more phonetic. I still don't know how I can use them to write my sentence

If I just use them as an alphabet and write in english I get something like this:

ᚠᛟᚱ ᛗᛃ ᚠᚨᛗᛁᛚᛃ, ᛖᚹᛖᚱᚣ ᛊᚨᚱᚨᚲᛁᚠᛁᚲᛖ ᛁᛊ ᚹᛟᚱᛏᚺ, ᚦᛟᚺ ᛁᛏ ᚲᛟᛊᛏᛊ ᛏᚺᛖ ᚹᛟᚱᛚᛞ ᛁᛊᛏᛖᛚᚠ.

While that can be used, if anyone know a bit about vikings runes, that will just appear as something weird/dumb/stupid.

I would use Old Norse for it, if you can do it. A bit closer to what you want.

 

[RepresentingPride]

I would use Old Norse for it, if you can do it. A bit closer to what you want.

Yes I could use old norse, but I prefer use the vikings Runes, it look better for me in term of aesthetic

 

[Our_Lady_in_Twilight]

PS Reading aloud was the norm. Reading in silence was a trend of the medieval period in Europe introduced by the monks. Until then, people generally read aloud.

This reminds me of that QI quiz question asking what miraculous feat Saint Ambrose was capable of that convinced his peers of his holiness (he could read the bible in silence).

 

[Placeholder]

Yes I could use old norse, but I prefer use the vikings Runes, it look better for me in term of aesthetic

Old Norse orthography - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Runes - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[CharlesEBrown]

The runes as full words thing was both how they started and how they were used in areas where not all those viking spoke the same language (some were Norse, others Rus, others more "pure" Germanic groups but all shared some common symbols and even the same gods, though they often said the names differently, like Wotan vs. Odin or Loge vs. Loughe vs, Loki)

 

[ACertainPassingUser]

Maybe in the fantasy story of the next thousand of years or so, where common language for story have evolve massively, this sword with engraved english alphabet will be considered a "rune magic sword"

Must be freakin strong because it has 70+ runes on it! And all of them were connected!

 

[RepresentingPride]

Old Norse orthography - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Runes - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I don't know why I only though old norse was in latin alphabet form, my bad, and thanks for that.

Here what I got with it:
ᛏᛁᛚ · ᛅᛁᛏᛏᛅᚱ · ᛘᛁᚾᚾᛅᚱ · ᛁᚱ · ᚼᚢᛁᚱ · ᚠᚢᚱᚾ · ᚢᛁᚱᛏ · ᚦᚢᛏ · ᚼᛁᛘᛁᚾ · ᛋᛁᛅᛚᚠᛅᚾ · ᚴᚢᛋᛏᛁ