Update content warnings to include AI usage

[Theresaisnotmenhera]

As per Scribble Hub's content guidelines, stories that consist primarily of AI-generated content are prohibited, although the use of AI is not strictly banned. The pertinent rule states:

AI Generated Stories - Stories created mostly by AI will be rejected. You can use AI to help create your stories but most of the story should still be written by you.

However, the language used in this guideline is vague in defining what constitutes "mostly." This has led to the acceptance of several stories with a significant amount of paraphrased content or portion generated by AI, carrying clear voice and tones of AI rather than of a human writer. In light of the inability to filter these stories, it is suggested that a model similar to that of Royal Road be adopted. Royal Road currently employs two tags:

AI-Assisted: The author has used an AI tool for editing or proofreading. The story thus reflects the author’s creativity and structure, but it may use the AI’s voice and tone. There may be some negligible amount of snippets generated by AI.


AI-Generated: The story was generated using an AI tool; the author prompted and directed the process, and edited the result.

Regardless of whether the two are to be merged into one, a more concise language and updated content warnings would provide readers with necessary information and a greater ability to filter out unwanted material, including establishing a clearer policy for the site.

Note: Content warnings should not be needed if AI is a glorified thesaurus for you, for example.

 

[beast_regards]

And that's why it should be reviewed by moderation before anything happens, and they should punish those who falsely accuse others.
...but for that to work, the site would need said moderators, as Tony alone will not be able to handle it. Back to where it started.

This requires either the budget the Scribble Hub doesn't have...

(but Royal Road does)

...or it requires volunteer moderators.

Volunteer moderators, though theoretically requiring no pay, would be free to re-interpret what the "AI" is, because no one could agree on the definition and any software, especially commercially available, is being promoted having "AI features" these days regardless of actual mechanics.

As it is now, Tony in fact allows "AI assistance".

The content rules you too quoted say that explictly.

A degree of the "mostly" is vague, but sufficient for Scribble Hub purposes. The Scribble Hub is a hobbyist site, run by single person, not corporate enterprise as the Royal Road.

 

[Daydreamers]

And that's why it should be reviewed by moderation before anything happens, and they should punish those who falsely accuse others.
...but for that to work, the site would need said moderators, as Tony alone will not be able to handle it. Back to where it started.

Sounds good, but how can they tell? when it's heavily edited?

 

[beast_regards]

Sounds good, but how can they tell? when it's heavily edited?

Only way to detect AI generated text is by:

... employing the "AI" to catch "AI" which is bitterly ironic considering the entire endeavour is motivated by "AI hate"...

...or...

...going by your gut feeling when text feels wrong...

The AI detection algorithm could create false positives even when analyzing the text of acclaimed authors which couldn't have used AI.

The gut feeling doesn't require anything but the simple bias against the other person writing.

My own English is broken supposedly, which is fair enough, but is being not a native speaker really a reason to be banned?

 

[Dec]

Sounds good, but how can they tell? when it's heavily edited?

If it is edited so much that you can't be 100% sure, then congrats to the author for putting in enough actual work. Those should pass the screening as being "not mostly written by AI," just like it is happening now.

When a day comes (and it will) that "AI" written stories are unrecognizable from human ones, then we (as a species) are closer to extinction than ever before, so no need to worry about those stuff.

For now, "AI" uses predictable patterns when it's used to generate the story, so by looking for them we can tell what happened.
The only problem with this is, the "AI" had to learn from something how to write, and what's the biggest dataset it could get? Yep, novels from fans and "wannabe authors" that lack experience in writing.
You won't mistake a professional author with "AI" generated story, but there can be false-positives on some that just started, and there is no way of preventing it apart from said author getting better and not making those basic mistakes, like oversharing info on certain actions.

The funniest part of this?
It's easier to spot "real" stories that were written by non-English natives than ones that use English natively or are highly advanced in it, as there will be errors that "AI" would never commit, but humans do most of the time.

 

[3guanoff]

Similarly, we could rule out using any old hardware, it would struggle to process the webpage.

It processes the website very well, thank you very much. My computer is from 2007~9 and works.
You call a computer wizard over and they install you a modern browser on your computer. It works. You cannot use wifi (need cable) and it is slow, but there is no issue.

If your computer is a little newer (Windows 7, MacOS Snow Leopard), you can run a modern browser by yourself.

Even if you use Windows 11, does that Windows write your novel or suggest words to you? Just because you cooked something in a pan, it is not necessarily fried.

And just because you used a program / operating system that has AI features, it does not mean you are using AI.

You couldn't connect to the Internet with a mechanical typewriter, and you certainly couldn't post to Scribble Hub with it, so we could scratch this option off the list. No one is doing it, because it is simply physically impossible.

And, you misunderstood me. I mentioned the typewriter not because I believe people use it for publishing web serials. I mentioned it to point out that all those fancy modern features are not at all necessary for writing a novel.

Using Linux and Open Source software is possible, but not probable, considering sheer difficulty associated with running the thing and doesn't rule out using AI in itself as they aren't prevented from using the online features in the slightest (except the stability of Linux)

Using old version of Word is an option, but still...

You can use LibreOffice on Windows and MacOS. You do not need to use Linux. Most people do not use Linux.

And using old Word is a very good option for everyone who does not like to waste money on Office365. It is reliable and you can rest assured that no surprise updates will ruin your workflow.

use Thesaurus which is also AI

How is Thesaurus AI? I have a Thesaurus on one of my shelves. I am certain those pages contain no AI.

 

[Clo]

Random note, but I started reading a LitRPG on the other site. It's not tagged as AI-written or assisted. But as someone who uses ChatGPT at work and to bounce ideas, I see its fingerprints everywhere in that novel.

But how many piece of evidence do you need to find before you throw the first stone? The first "Her breath itched?" The first "[...] charged with a predatory lunge?" "Released the breath he didn't realise he had been holding?"

It kills me how my brain constantly notices these things, even though I am just trying to read a new story. It's also sad how everyone using AI to help reads in the same voice. Which very often, is PirateAba's voice. Thar makes sense, since The Wandering Inn provides a nice ~13million words to train LLMs on.

 

[beast_regards]

Even if you use Windows 11, does that Windows write your novel or suggest words to you? Just because you cooked something in a pan, it is not necessarily fried.

Does it need to?

You want to ban something no one could agree on what it means.

You could argue that Microsoft's Copilot is writing someone's story.

Even the AI detector is "powered" by it.

This is because the claim doesn't require any proof, only the brief search on the features of this or that application, and you could easily accuse anyone of using the AI to write the story and even if it is eventually proven wrong, damage is already done as no one sticks around long enough to see the results.

And, you misunderstood me. I mentioned the typewriter not because I believe people use it for publishing web serials. I mentioned it to point out that all those fancy modern features are not at all necessary for writing a novel.

...which requires editors...

We are hobbyist, writing on computers, our browser has spell checkers.

You can use LibreOffice on Windows and MacOS. You do not need to use Linux. Most people do not use Linux.

And using old Word is a very good option for everyone who does not like to waste money on Office365. It is reliable and you can rest assured that no surprise updates will ruin your workflow.

The Libre Office works with Grammarly.

Grammarly is, in fact, supposedly containing AI features.

So it doesn't matter.

How is Thesaurus AI? There are book versions of Thesaurus. I have one on my shelf. I am certain those pages contain no AI.

I would argue that ChatGPT also doesn't contain any AI...

...and that's the problem. No one could agree what is means.

 

[3guanoff]

The Libre Office works with Grammarly.

Could I get a source for that? I cannot find any grammarly in the program. And the grammar checker certainly does not seem to contain AI since it cannot even detect basic punctuation issues.

You want to ban something no one could agree on what it means.

And I do not want to ban it. I want to put a tag on it. Just like people actively search for Gore or Sexual Content, they may also actively search for AI assisted stories.

You could argue that Microsoft's Copilot is writing someone's story.

How? I have never used Copilot, but the advertisements did not make it seem like something that would get involved with your writing. Does Copilot include a grammar checker?

I would argue that ChatGPT also doesn't contain any AI...

I suppose you subscribe to the now unpopular notion that one should not conflate machine learning with AI.
However, nowadays companies like IBM consider machine learning a subset of AI.

 

[beast_regards]

How? I have never used Copilot, but the advertisements did not make it seem like something that would get involved with your writing. Does Copilot include a grammar checker?

Don't take my words for it. Takes Microsoft's.

Could I get a source for that? I cannot find any grammarly in the program. And the grammar checker certainly does not seem to contain AI since it cannot even detect basic punctuation issues.

It supposedly works.

Grammarly for LibreOffice: Step-by-Step Walkthrough - Codeless

Today we discuss how to get Grammarly for LibreOffice so you can check grammar and plagiarism on any LibreOffice document.

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Never verified it as I stopped using Libre Office when I stopped posting on the Fan-fiction.net

And I do not want to ban it. I want to put a tag on it. Just like people actively search for Gore or Sexual Content, they may also actively search for AI assisted stories.

This I already addressed....

What it would the tag even do?

Would it hide the story or merely hang there, warning the readers?

Is it a tag that the users would enable manually, or would it be automatically assigned by some script running the text through the "detector" software?

If it is manual, why would anyone, in the right might, enable the "bully enabler, down vote me here", especially if no one could agree on what it means?

And if it done through automatic process, how do you handle the false positives from the software? Run any older novel, traditionally published, older than 5 years, and you would still get some of them flagged as AI as the software couldn't tell the difference.

How you could even prove you aren't using AI? Recording? A witness?

No one would willingly enable this.

I suppose you subscribe to the now unpopular notion that one should not conflate machine learning with AI.
However, nowadays companies like IBM consider machine learning a subset of AI.

The services like ChatGPT aren't Artificial Intelligences.

It's a glorified randomness probability generator.

It doesn't know what you are asking, it's merely put the most probable combination of letters together.

 

[FieryLou]

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When you write a story with AI, you don’t just create. You collaborate with the abstract embodiment of logic gone rogue, a digital companion who has read every book, forgotten no clichés, and will still enthusiastically co-write a pirate-themed soap opera set inside a flamingo-shaped zeppelin, because why the hell not?


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Indeed, it is through AI that we may finally break the oppressive chains of narrative logic, shatter the tyrannical tropes that bind us, and birth characters who speak only in riddles derived from outdated weather forecasts. You want your protagonist to be a time-traveling barista who solves mysteries by interpreting latte foam? AI not only approves—it adds a subplot involving an underground society of sentient espresso machines plotting a caffeine coup.


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First day on scribble, lets offend some old foggies! (pls don't hate me)

 

[Fairemont]

Hold up....

Y'all don't write with notepad?

 

[beast_regards]

Y'all don't write with notepad?

Which is going to also come with "AI features"

 

[Fairemont]

Which is going to also come with "AI features"

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*Slams fist on desk.*

They ruin everything!

 

[beast_regards]

I checked the supposedly heavy use of AI in this story:

Bofuri in Another World ( I’m the final boss) - Chapter Fifty One | Scribble Hub

www.scribblehub.com

It was used as an argument.

12% probability.

I don't have a good story to compare it against as it is purposefully written in the simple, short sentences, like the Light Novels are, to the point I suspect it is not the AI issue, but the language issue.

 

[LuoirM]

Imagine if there's a user interface option to "Automatically change every AI-generated cover to default SH cover"

The entire trending page would look very blue

 

[CharlesEBrown]

Can we have content warnings for endlessly circular threads on the forum?

 

[beast_regards]

Imagine if there's a user interface option to "Automatically change every AI-generated cover to default SH cover"

The entire trending page would look very blue

Let's try it on my story instead.

Hmm....

 

[Fairemont]

How wrong was it?

 

[Clo]

I just fed it an image I had generated a while back.

100% confidence it's not AI.

Every single AI detection tool is worthless.

 

[beast_regards]

Every single AI detection tool is worthless.

Yes, it is.

The absolutely worst result I received from checking the text of the various stories was 12%.

Which either means, 12% percent is AI generated, or the detection tool is 12% confident the text is AI generated.

That is not even remotely enough to doom someone's story, especially when the rules states "mostly" ...

...I suck at math, but 12% of anything doesn't mean "mostly" no matter how you look at it.

Covers on the front page as supposedly AI generated, however, they contain text which the AI couldn't do...

I am certain they are wrong about this.

I also tested other stories for supposed AI - or rather, I asked the "AI detector" and this is what it says....

I didn't find a single one that had worse result than 12%.

I fact, most do from 0 to 3 percent of certainty.