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I have a question about monetization. Has anyone here ever had a contract with Webnovel, or used Patreon to provide access to advanced chapters of their novel?

If you don't mind me asking, I was curious about what an average author not a top seller, but not a complete beginner either typically earns through those two methods.

Does anyone have any insight on this? Thanks in advance. ?‍↕️
 

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You should never ask about how much someone earns. This is private information.
You can find averages using Google.
Oh, wow. Thank you so much for your profound insight. I stand corrected.

I was under the utterly foolish impression that asking a community of authors for general, anonymous averages was different from demanding a specific person's private financial records. My deepest apologies for that shocking breach of etiquette. I'll be sure to remember that hypothetical numbers are intensely personal.

And Google! Here I was, naively thinking that a forum of actual writers might offer nuanced, first hand experiences that a search engine spitting out SEO optimized articles couldn't possibly provide. I see the error of my ways. We should probably just shut down the whole forum and replace the URL with a link to Google.
 

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Dunno. But I'm also curious about webnovels. People say they're bad, but how bad?
 

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Dunno. But I'm also curious about webnovels. People say they're bad, but how bad?
I have that same question too. About two years ago, I was offered a contract with Webnovel. I did some research and found criticisms of their contracts. Since I started university around that time, I stopped writing and abandoned my profile, so I never really understood what having a contract entailed
 

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I don't post my work on WN. But I did when I first started off. And I'm going off of memory from other authors who were offered contracts by WN. I think I heard that you get a $500 dollar contact per month, but you have to give the copyrights to your IP to them and you need to pump out 1000 word chapter a day or risk violating your contract and then you don't get paid anymore.

Like I said, I'm speaking from second-hand accounts, so I'm sure my info is lacking.
 

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I have that same question too. About two years ago, I was offered a contract with Webnovel. I did some research and found criticisms of their contracts. Since I started university around that time, I stopped writing and abandoned my profile, so I never really understood what having a contract entailed
You dodged a bullet. Good job
 

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I have a question about monetization. Has anyone here ever had a contract with Webnovel, or used Patreon to provide access to advanced chapters of their novel?

If you don't mind me asking, I was curious about what an average author not a top seller, but not a complete beginner either typically earns through those two methods.

Does anyone have any insight on this? Thanks in advance. ?‍↕️
I'm a newbie, with Patreon in a few months I earn like 70$.

I've got proposed a Webnovel contract, but I refused it due to the contract asking to give the right of your story to them.

For a Webnovel contract, if I remember correctly, you will earn 300$ per month for three months, after that it will either continue or end there. You will have to release 1,5k words each day during those three months, and if you give more chapters, you can earn more. Depending on how successfull is your story, you can earn a lot or nothing, readers can also pay to read your chapters, or give you gift, those will be shared half-half between you and Webnovel.

The higher up on Webnovel earn 15k+ per month, the average earn 300$ and their contract end after the three months.

Some people just write stories they don't care about to get contract there and earn some money from it.

So it will greatly depend on you, and how much effort do you want to put on a story and if you agree to lose your right on it.
 

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And I’ve heard people even lost the rights to their own stories. Is that true? If yes, that really sucks
Well, honestly, it's shrouded in so much mystery, just this fact alone makes it all super fishy. I heard they can take the rights from everywhere, but I don't think anyone who ever showed or talked about WN contracts mentioned this clause.

My opinion about WN contracts was super negative until recently. I had an acquintance who kind of started writing for them, and it works out for them. The thing with WN is, you have to know what you are doing and why. You don't go with your baby in hands, the dream novel you wanted to write for a decade, to sign a contract. You make an alt with a slop side project to milk WN for money. If it doesn't work out, welp, it's a slop project anyway. If it does, now you can become a full time writer, you can spend your free time writing on your main account.

Oh, another thing I heard, in certain countries WN is providing worse rates. Like in US you would've made this number, but in a certain countried you would make less.

In the end, all of it is hearsay and isn't based on my own experience. I think my 'plan' of making an alt and slopping it up might work out. And I honestly want to try it myself, but currently can't write. So I don't know, if you stick up with writing for a few months, I might talk about it more, adding my own experience.
 

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@Corty @Zinless Can you share your Patreon experience?

Patreon, if you use it related to writing, only brings in subsrcibers if you offer advanced chapters. The more the better the chance for subs.

As for the perfect price ranges… I can’t comment on that. My highest tier is just 5 dollars, because I also take into consideration that many people pay for a good amount of subscriptions, be it netflix, spotify, other patreons, etc. There are a ton of options.

So, to make myself competitive in this manner, my aim is to make sure I provide enough, for a reasonable price and not get the axe when people reorganize what they are paying for monthly.

PS:

Don’t even think about Patreon posting without being able to keep a steady flow of chapters and be punctual about it.
 

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I have more experience with Patreon. When I started, I didn't think anyone would become a member, but I had it up as a donation thing and had only short stories posted there. I was surprised by how quickly I got a couple of members, but they wrote in their exit surveys that they thought they would get exclusive chapters for my main novel and I was like "shit, I better start putting in advanced chapters to keep them around longer."

So, I have a few tiers set up and get a good backlog of chapters up. And by the end of my first year, I was pulling in around 100 dollars. At this point I was kinda happy that my hobby was paying for itself and just continued at it and posted on other sites. By year three, I'm in the $450+ range. Which is crazy to me because I never thought I would get here in the first place.
So, it is becoming much more of a reality for this to become a possible career, but to get to the next level, I need to create a secondary book that can be put on Amazon's Kindle exclusives and see what type of income can come from that, while leaving my main novel on SH, RR, AO3, and WP to get new eyes and keep my existing reader base.

Patreon is nice, if you can build a community and grow a membership based to give you flexibility. But it's finding the readers that are willing to fund you is the tricky part.
Patreon, if you use it related to writing, only brings in subsrcibers if you offer advanced chapters. The more the better the chance for subs.

As for the perfect price ranges… I can’t comment on that. My highest tier is just 5 dollars, because I also take into consideration that many people pay for a good amount of subscriptions, be it netflix, spotify, other patreons, etc. There are a ton of options.

So, to make myself competitive in this manner, my aim is to make sure I provide enough, for a reasonable price and not get the axe when people reorganize what they are paying for monthly.

PS:

Don’t even think about Patreon posting without being able to keep a steady flow of chapters and be punctual about it.
Put in a 10 dollar tier option @Corty. You have fans that want to contribute more, so give them a option to do so. My 10 tier is mostly for bragging rights while I'll answer future questions about what's going to happen in my stories.

Also, I post about three chapters a week on my Patreon. I probably could get more members if I could pump out 5 chapters a week while releasing three free chapters a week on SH.

I'm a stay at home dad that's taking care of a baby and toddler, as that eats into my free time to edit my work.
 
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Patreon, if you use it related to writing, only brings in subsrcibers if you offer advanced chapters. The more the better the chance for subs.

As for the perfect price ranges… I can’t comment on that. My highest tier is just 5 dollars, because I also take into consideration that many people pay for a good amount of subscriptions, be it netflix, spotify, other patreons, etc. There are a ton of options.

So, to make myself competitive in this manner, my aim is to make sure I provide enough, for a reasonable price and not get the axe when people reorganize what they are paying for monthly.

PS:

Don’t even think about Patreon posting without being able to keep a steady flow of chapters and be punctual about it.
You just opened my eyes. I was ignorant and now I know. I just found out I'm charging too much. My highest subscription tier costs $6, and that's because I didn't know how much Patreon tiers are worth. I had no idea how to price my advanced chapters. And here I was, foolishly thinking of opening a $15 tier ??
 

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You just opened my eyes. I was ignorant and now I know. I just found out I'm charging too much. My highest subscription tier costs $6, and that's because I didn't know how much Patreon tiers are worth. I had no idea how to price my advanced chapters. And here I was, foolishly thinking of opening a $15 tier ??
It is all about the perception of value, which is hard to gauge for yourself. Usually, I go about it by asking a simple question:

Would I pay for it?

I offer 20chapters for 5$ which with my release schedule means they have a month ahead of public releases.

I consider that a fair offer, but of course, who knows, really.
 

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It is all about the perception of value, which is hard to gauge for yourself. Usually, I go about it by asking a simple question:

Would I pay for it?

I offer 20chapters for 5$ which with my release schedule means they have a month ahead of public releases.

I consider that a fair offer, but of course, who knows, really.
I see Corty is corting people huh. :blob_hmm_two:

But yeah, it is the perception of value. Nonetheless though, certain things should be kept in mind while charging.

1. Wage stagnation.

2. Bills to pay.

3. Other subs.

These three things means, you want to price your stuff at a point where it is reasonable to purchase. $15 no matter how much content could be too high given all the other stuff.

However, say that it is like $7 a month for a wide library of stuff. That seems like a good deal without affecting most people.

I’d say anywhere above $10 is likely pushing it.
 

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My first-hand account / experience with writing financials:

I launched my Patreon after writing 65 chapters. At the time of launch I think I had roughly ~4k readers across both RR and SH on my singular series, a WLW romance fantasy isekai. I had been writing for 6+ months at the time.

I hit ~$2.5k a month relatively quickly but that's dropped down a little especially as I've been inconsistent with chapters.
I launched with two chapters in advance and currently have seven. That's roughly ~28k words pay-walled.

I have three tiers. a £4.95, £8.95 and a £12.95 tier. They are more or less the same with the exception that the highest tiers allows you to name something in the series. A few Patreons have taken advantage of this ^.^

Although I plan to, I haven't yet written any Patreon exclusive side stories.

I spent a lot of time building up my Discord community before hand (I think I launched it around chapter 20ish). constantly encouraging readers to pop in and say hello if they wanted to theorycraft or whatever else. I often nag readers in the announcements or notes. If you want to see an example of that look at the top of my most recent chapter. We're now past 750 Discord members!

I probably respond to 90% of my comments, and am always happy to engage with my readers.

Patreon money has been put back into the series in the commissioning of art. Amelia Thornheart had a AI cover for a long time but now it has a cover that cost me $810. I'm still ooing and aaring about if it works as a cover, so I made sure to commission it as a 4k wallpaper and offer lower resolution versions for free on Patreon, (and higher res for subs). I think it looks pretty good!

I've also comissioned Discord stickers and just ordered a batch of emotes as well.

I'm not the most successful author, but I'm on the lower band of financially successful IMO. I'm making enough to fund (with a postgraduate loan) a MA in Creative Writing which I plan to start this September in the UK. When there I intend to make use of the university facilities and professional recording room to create my own audiobooks, if I can find the right student narrator.

I was approached by Podium for full distribution rights but after two meetings turned them down. Instead I was approached and signed a non-exclusive contract with Tapas, which has an interesting monetisation scheme with their wait-till-free / pay-with-ink system. I launch on the 15th Aug with them and quite excited to see how the series does over there and how much it increases my income.

I plan to avoid webnovel like the plague.

I'm a decent case study of medium success, if you want a case-study of someone climbing on a rocketship and finding top 0.1% success then take a peak at the author of New Life As A Max Level Archmage who exploded onto RR and their Patreon hit $10k or so in three days. But there's a different discussion there about marketability and RR in general and their love of litRPGs. While I plan to explore litRPG in the future, for now I'm happy to have Amelia Thornheart, a non-litRPG non-system series hover in the top #100.

The market is generally unfair and the quality of writing itself it one of the least important factors when it comes to financial success. For example, I believe the author of Rebirth of the Nephilim should be on 10x what they're earning now.

At the very least, the biggest tip I can give to authors who want to make money is at the end of the day, make sure what you're writing is fun to read. The world sucks quite a bit at the moment, and escapism content is becoming ever popular. Now is the best time to get into writing web serials, but you should aim to satisfy that escapism desire. Create amazing worlds full of memorable characters. You might have a treatise on the human condition within you that would blow away every web series ever written with it's amazing quality and insights into the soul... but it probably won't earn you much.
 

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Did some research into Webnovel but never posted there. Apparently, you will continue to make money if you only post 1k chapters daily, but if you are consistently below 1.5k they can "fire" you at any time from your own novel and turn it over to someone who can hit that output.
 
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